Fallout 4 Bos War On Robots?

[pjedilord]

Bos Max hates synths, robots could be more skill intelligence and better personality.
But why dont they rage war on robots? robot DLC is threat in the commonw.
Robots create chaos and battles in the commonw, but why is Bos not interested but
only synths? due to not having the resources to battle Robots and Synths?
Did Bos have war with Robots in other Fallout games?
Synths and robots or brain robots, least Bos max should of hate the idea of brain
robots, whats the diffence of brain robot and synths? or robot?
Brain robot should of been reason for Bos to rage war?
Goes agaist Bos values? I can see Bos raging war with robots in Fallout 5,
with robots having there own faction. Interesting?

[pjedilord]

Thoughts?

[steventirey]

Robots don't have intelligence, not as a human or synth does. Robots are programmed, and only do as programmed. (Robobrains with free will are rare, and not how they were designed to operate.)

Robots are tools. Synths are intelligent beings. Not only did the Brotherhood not fight robots in previous games, they use robots themselves.

[pjedilord]

Bos stance is to take dangerous tech? so they should take robot tech from dangerous factions?

[steventirey]

Originally posted by pjedilord:

Bos stance is to take dangerous tech? so they should take robot tech from dangerous factions?

"Take dangerous tech" is a major oversimplification. Robots themselves aren't dangerous, just like a laser rifle isn't dangerous. They can both be used wrong, however.

You also have to remember that we never interact with the Brotherhood as a whole. The ones we see in the games are only small parts of the larger organization. Elder Maxson isn't the leader of the Brotherhood, but only the leader of a small part of the organization (specifically, the East Coast Brotherhood). How he deals with things and how other parts of the Brotherhood do aren't always the same thing.

A broader view of the Brotherhood is that they want to control or regulate technology. Regulating means people can still use it, under certain conditions. As long as it can be controlled, technology isn't always bad. Thats the main problem with synths - dangerous technology that has its own free will. Meaning ultimately it can't be fully controlled. Had the Institute stuck with producing normal robots, the Maxson's Brotherhood might not of cared as much. (They still would of came and investigated, as there was still evidence of advanced technology in use.)

[Shadow]

Bro, I joined BoS in the beginning but betrayed them for the institute. IMO the institute is a better organization. The BoS are basically Raiders wearing power armor, they are no different...

[pjedilord]

Originally posted by steventirey:

Originally posted by pjedilord:

Bos stance is to take dangerous tech? so they should take robot tech from dangerous factions?

"Take dangerous tech" is a major oversimplification. Robots themselves aren't dangerous, just like a laser rifle isn't dangerous. They can both be used wrong, however.

You also have to remember that we never interact with the Brotherhood as a whole. The ones we see in the games are only small parts of the larger organization. Elder Maxson isn't the leader of the Brotherhood, but only the leader of a small part of the organization (specifically, the East Coast Brotherhood). How he deals with things and how other parts of the Brotherhood do aren't always the same thing.

A broader view of the Brotherhood is that they want to control or regulate technology. Regulating means people can still use it, under certain conditions. As long as it can be controlled, technology isn't always bad. Thats the main problem with synths - dangerous technology that has its own free will. Meaning ultimately it can't be fully controlled. Had the Institute stuck with producing normal robots, the Maxson's Brotherhood might not of cared as much. (They still would of came and investigated, as there was still evidence of advanced technology in use.)

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Who controls BOS? was he in the other games?

[=EGC= kansasterry]

As we have seen in the DLC we can turn off their personality this shows they do not have actual sentience otherwise they could refuse the order. The gen 3 synths on the other hand are essentially a clone or copy of someone and can develop sentience thus running away instead of blindly following orders.

robots will blindly follow orders the issue in the DLC was the logic flaw in how the orders were phrased making them a danger to everyone.

It is like at that press conference thing a while back where that company was showing off that human like ai they created.

One reporter asked it if it would kill humans but the way they phrased the question made the ai think it was an order and said "ok i will" or something to that effect.

[Shadow]

Originally posted by pjedilord:

Originally posted by steventirey:

"Take dangerous tech" is a major oversimplification. Robots themselves aren't dangerous, just like a laser rifle isn't dangerous. They can both be used wrong, however.

You also have to remember that we never interact with the Brotherhood as a whole. The ones we see in the games are only small parts of the larger organization. Elder Maxson isn't the leader of the Brotherhood, but only the leader of a small part of the organization (specifically, the East Coast Brotherhood). How he deals with things and how other parts of the Brotherhood do aren't always the same thing.

A broader view of the Brotherhood is that they want to control or regulate technology. Regulating means people can still use it, under certain conditions. As long as it can be controlled, technology isn't always bad. Thats the main problem with synths - dangerous technology that has its own free will. Meaning ultimately it can't be fully controlled. Had the Institute stuck with producing normal robots, the Maxson's Brotherhood might not of cared as much. (They still would of came and investigated, as there was still evidence of advanced technology in use.)

Thanks
Who controls BOS? was he in the other games?

Elder Maxxim was present in Fallout 3, he was active in the Capital Wasteland, but back then he was a young kid.

[steventirey]

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Who controls BOS? was he in the other games?

Each chapter is headed by an Elder (Arthur Maxson is the Elder of the East Coast Brotherhood chapter). In theory, one of them is named High Elder though that may be more ceremonial (limited to handlinh meeting between the elders). The last canonically named High Elder was more than a hundred years before Fallout 4 (John Maxson, Fallout 1), so there may not be a single leader at the moment.

Arthur Maxson was in Fallout 3, as a child.

[Shadow]

Originally posted by steventirey:

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Who controls BOS? was he in the other games?

Each chapter is headed by an Elder (Arthur Maxson is the Elder of the East Coast Brotherhood chapter). In theory, one of them is named High Elder though that may be more ceremonial (limited to handlinh meeting between the elders). The last canonically named High Elder was more than a hundred years before Fallout 4 (John Maxson, Fallout 1), so there may not be a single leader at the moment.

Arthur Maxson was in Fallout 3, as a child.

it's pretty cool how you could meet him though in Fallout 3 and then see him all grown up in Fallout 4.

[steventirey]

A reason the High Elder title might be more ceremonial than actually controlling anything is that the Brotherhood is spread over a large area (basically most of the continental United States, excepting maybe the far south east and north east regions), and communication/travel is not easy. Each chapter would have to be self sufficient, with the capability of making their own decisions quickly. So they couldn't rely on someone a thousand miles away to make a decision.

[wtiger27]

Originally posted by steventirey:

Originally posted by pjedilord:

Bos stance is to take dangerous tech? so they should take robot tech from dangerous factions?

"Take dangerous tech" is a major oversimplification. Robots themselves aren't dangerous, just like a laser rifle isn't dangerous. They can both be used wrong, however.

You also have to remember that we never interact with the Brotherhood as a whole. The ones we see in the games are only small parts of the larger organization. Elder Maxson isn't the leader of the Brotherhood, but only the leader of a small part of the organization (specifically, the East Coast Brotherhood). How he deals with things and how other parts of the Brotherhood do aren't always the same thing.

A broader view of the Brotherhood is that they want to control or regulate technology. Regulating means people can still use it, under certain conditions. As long as it can be controlled, technology isn't always bad. Thats the main problem with synths - dangerous technology that has its own free will. Meaning ultimately it can't be fully controlled. Had the Institute stuck with producing normal robots, the Maxson's Brotherhood might not of cared as much. (They still would of came and investigated, as there was still evidence of advanced technology in use.)

Excellently explained. When I took Curie on the Prydem with me, in robot form, they never commented on her at all. When I take Deacon to Diamond City, the guards do question him being a synth. The same if I take Curie in human form.

[JobeGardener]

Just more proof that if it wasn't for nerds than the gaming industry wouldn't look like the masculine soap opera they call professional wrestling.

[Cardan]

Originally posted by pjedilord:

Originally posted by steventirey:

"Take dangerous tech" is a major oversimplification. Robots themselves aren't dangerous, just like a laser rifle isn't dangerous. They can both be used wrong, however.

You also have to remember that we never interact with the Brotherhood as a whole. The ones we see in the games are only small parts of the larger organization. Elder Maxson isn't the leader of the Brotherhood, but only the leader of a small part of the organization (specifically, the East Coast Brotherhood). How he deals with things and how other parts of the Brotherhood do aren't always the same thing.

A broader view of the Brotherhood is that they want to control or regulate technology. Regulating means people can still use it, under certain conditions. As long as it can be controlled, technology isn't always bad. Thats the main problem with synths - dangerous technology that has its own free will. Meaning ultimately it can't be fully controlled. Had the Institute stuck with producing normal robots, the Maxson's Brotherhood might not of cared as much. (They still would of came and investigated, as there was still evidence of advanced technology in use.)

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Who controls BOS? was he in the other games?

the original founder of the brotherhood of steel is roger maxson, who left the US military after they found out about the FEV virus at the mariposa military base. You can meet his grandson, john maxson in fallout 1. after that no maxsons until fallout 3.

[=EGC= kansasterry]

As to thoughts about robots I think the BOS attitude boils down to this

The normal robots like mr handy/gutsy, protectron etc. will follow whatever they are programed to do so the BOS can callect reprogram and use them.

The gen 3 synths can not even be controlled by the institute as a large number of them keep escaping and as explained if we dig deep enough many of them fail to be able to be reprogramed. This indicates to the BOS an uncontrollable technology they see as a danger to humanity that must be stopped.

So robots that can be controlled, easily identified on sight, and certainly can not pretend to be a person and hide in a city or take over someone's identty are not considered much of a threat while the gen 3 synths can not be easily identified, can pretend to be human, can take over someone's identity and can not always be controlled even by their creators are considered a huge threat the kind of threat their codex mandates must not be allowed to exist.