Need clarification regarding SPECIAL vs Perks

[TOMARSE]

I'm still confused (no surprise there) about adding "points" to SPECIAL versus gaining PERKS.
I've played the game for hours so far and added points to the traits on the SPECIAL chart but don't seem to have any control over the PERKS aspect. I noticed on the Pipboy there's a screen for SPECIAL and a screen for PERKS. I don't see PERKS anywhere else except the Pipboy. I've acquired various PERKS but totally randomly as I've had no real idea on which SPECIAL affects which PERK. For example, I've maxed out the Pickpocket aspect in SPECIAL but cannot advance beyond that and despite being level 32 I am still unable to do Expert or Advanced locks. I add points to the SPECIAL and hope for the best. I am unable to affect anything on the PERK screen in the Pipboy. Can someone clarify the relationship between the two? How can I affect which PERKS I get etc? Thanks.

[Jeroen]

Just wow...

You just need to click on the perk you want and confirm it when you have a perk point and meet the special stat requirements. adding to special stats doesnt do anything except raise that stat.

[Atma]

Originally posted by Jeroen:

Just wow...

You just need to click on the perk you want and confirm it when you have a perk point and meet the special stat requirements. adding to special stats doesnt do anything except raise that stat.

To be fair, he did exactly what you do in every single previous Fallout game in order to unlock perks.

[TOMARSE]

Jeroen; I guess I wasn't clear. Clicking on on any of the PERKS in the Pipboy doesn't do anything. I can't seem to 'add' points to the PERKS only to the SPECIAL chart. There seems to be a disconnect. Can you confirm that the Pipboy is the only way to look/adjust PERKS?

[Aries the Grim Fool]

LOL it's you again :DDD, try and find the last thread this explained in to you Tomarse :DD
To clarify, the ONLY place you can spend points on perks is on that chart you acces via Pipboy (the poster one, and really NOWHERE, else)

[TOMARSE]

Aries; yup, me again. Just read your post and editing this one. I get what your saying. In order to improve PERKs I must add 'points' to the SPECIAL chart. But do you understand what I'm driving at.....in the Pipboy there's a screen for SPECIAL and a screen for PERKs and they don't seem to be related. Let me use an example;
On the SPECIAL chart at L02 under Charisma there's LadyKiller which (at the moment) has 3 empty 'stars' and under the 'stars' it says Reqr CHR 2 (which I take to mean "requires Charisma 2"). On my Pipboy under SPECIAL it shows Charisma at 8. On the SPECIAL chart Charisma at L01 shows 8 out of 10 possible stars (ergo L01 Charisma is not 'full' yet). On my Pipboy under PERKS there is no LADYKILLER option (i.e. there's apparently no relationship between what PERKS show on the Pipboy and what the chart info shows.
So how does the SPECIAL list in the Pipboy which displays Charisma at 8 relate to the requirements CHR 2 for LADYKILLER. I'm currently at Level 32 in gameplay. Sorry for the long-winded explanation but I'm just trying to understand bear with me.

[Geordy]

They are the same thing; you press T to distribute your skill points either in SPECIAL or perks - it is all done in the same window. Also when you hover over a certain perk (and you play on PC) pressing ALT will show you what the next level of said perk will require of you. Also also you can scroll down the poster by moving your mouse to the upper/lower edges.

[TOMARSE]

Geordy; ackd. I'm not trying to be a pain although clearly I'm coming across as a real thicko at the moment. See my previous long-winded post.

[Aries the Grim Fool]

Originally posted by TOMARSE:

Aries; yup, me again. Just read your post and editing this one. I get what your saying. In order to improve PERKs I must add 'points' to the SPECIAL chart. But do you understand what I'm driving at.....in the Pipboy there's a screen for SPECIAL and a screen for PERKs and they don't seem to be related. Let me use an example;
On the SPECIAL chart at L02 under Charisma there's LadyKiller which (at the moment) has 3 empty 'stars' and under the 'stars' it says Reqr CHR 2 (which I take to mean "requires Charisma 2"). On my Pipboy under SPECIAL it shows Charisma at 8. On the SPECIAL chart Charisma at L01 shows 8 out of 10 possible stars (ergo L01 Charisma is not 'full' yet). On my Pipboy under PERKS there is no LADYKILLER option (i.e. there's apparently no relationship between what PERKS show on the Pipboy and what the chart info shows.
So how does the SPECIAL list in the Pipboy which displays Charisma at 8 relate to the requirements CHR 2 for LADYKILLER. I'm currently at Level 32 in gameplay. Sorry for the long-winded explanation but I'm just trying to understand bear with me.

That chart you refer to will only list the perks you spent points on and are active (and special skills acquired by the magazines, for instance Barbarian is from the Crognak comics, or companions perks).
So to get Ladykiller there, which isn't active cause you have not invested points on it.
Yep you have enough CHR to spend points on it, so if you got any points available do so (but you can only do so ON THAT POSTER :PPPPP) That's the gist of it, the data in the pipboy is just to make it easier to see which perks are active and available to you.
Hope this clears it up a little :D

[TOMARSE]

Aries; thanks. It does clear things up quite a bit. Cheers.