Failing yellow speech checks with 6 charisma?

[Yus]

Is this normal or is my game bugged?

[Yhwach]

I fail speech checks at 10 charisma, so i suppose so :/

[Yus]

Originally posted by Scarecrow:

I fail speech checks at 10 charisma, so i suppose so :/

wow this doesn't make any sense, bethesda really needs to take a look at this. I suppose passing the speech check is just random then?

[Incunabulum]

Originally posted by Yusuf:

Originally posted by Scarecrow:

I fail speech checks at 10 charisma, so i suppose so :/

wow this doesn't make any sense, bethesda really needs to take a look at this. I suppose passing the speech check is just random then?

Sort of. There's a random number rolled and you have to have a better Speech score than that. The higher your Charisma the more likely you will be to pass checks, but its never guaranteed.

[Master Cheeks]

Unlike previous games where the percentage for speech checks were displayed, Fallout 4 relies on RNG. Whenever you attempt a speech check, a generator turns out a number, which will increase based on your charisma level. It's a stupid, out of place feature for the series but it's the one we're stuck with.

[Yhwach]

Originally posted by Incunabulum:

Originally posted by Yusuf:

wow this doesn't make any sense, bethesda really needs to take a look at this. I suppose passing the speech check is just random then?

Sort of. There's a random number rolled and you have to have a better Speech score than that. The higher your Charisma the more likely you will be to pass checks, but its never guaranteed.

If you want a really weird example:
Adventure Quest
You had to roll a dice that calculates your luck level, to see if you made it to the end of a dungeon, it's "kind of" like that, but here's a better example:

Let's say your Charisma is 5, right?
The base number rolled will be 5 times higher than normal, or at least from my understanding,
You'll also have higher numbers available to you, since red speed checks require a higher number than yellow speech checks

where as:

Let's also say your Charisma is 1, right?
It'll be the default base number, and the numbers you're given are way lower, and will probably fail a speech check constantly, except yellow ones.

[ReallyMeanGoldfish]

Luck has some bearing on it as well as some speech checks probably always fail.

[Yus]

I went into diamond city with 4 charisma and tried to get more money from the swatter guy quest, but i failed the speech check...probably shouldn't have spent points in charisma :/

[Nite69]

Originally posted by Yusuf:

I went into diamond city with 4 charisma and tried to get more money from the swatter guy quest, but i failed the speech check...probably shouldn't have spent points in charisma :/

You can get more charisma by wearing specific clothes temporary while at traders, a Hat, Glasses, and any casual clothes for example will give ya 4 more charisma points

[Infrasound]

lol i failed the BOS vagrant guy in the bunker like 15 times in a row for all 3 checks with 12 charisma.. so yes it happens.

[Yus]

Originally posted by Britney Spears Naked.jpg.exe:

lol i failed the BOS vagrant guy in the bunker like 15 times in a row for all 3 checks with 12 charisma.. so yes it happens.

lol that sucks xD

[Bored Peon]

Why do people assume 10 charisma means 100% success?

The max chance to succeed is 94% just like in VATS.

Nothing wrong with charisma points. You are going to want a charisma of 6 for the supply lines and shops anyways.

Charisma also greatly affects the prices of items. Although after 10 it takes more and more points to see the difference.

[Yhwach]

I found this interesting, just leaving it here:
12 Base Charisma

Consumables:
Grape Mentats: +5 Charisma
Day Tripper: +3 Charisma
X-cell: +2 Charisma
Dirty Wastelander: +1 Charisma
Beer: + 1 Charisma
Gwinett brew: +1 Charisma
Gwinett lager: +1 Charisma
Gwinett pilsner: +1 Charisma
Gwinett stout: +1 Charisma
Ice cold beer: +1 Charisma
Ice cold Gwinett ale: +1 Charisma
Ice cold Gwinett brew: +1 Charisma
Ice cold gwinett lager: +1 Charisma
Ice cold Gwinett pale: +1 Charisma
Ice cold Gwinett pilsner: +1 Charisma
Ice cold Gwinett stout: +1 Charisma

Clothing:

- Under
Hat:Various Items, Used Airship Captain's hat: Charisma +1 Charisma
Eyewear: Black-rim glasses OR Fashionable glasses: +1 Charisma
Top: Agatha's Dress OR Reginald's suit: Charisma +3 Charisma

OPTIONAL:
- Over
Chest: Any, Sharp Legendary Effect
Left Arm: Any, Sharp Legendary Effect
Left Leg: Any, Sharp Legendary Effect
Right Arm: Any, Sharp Legendary Effect
Right Leg: Any, Sharp Legendary Effect


Total:
Consumables - 23
Clothing - 5
Optional - 5

Grand Total:
12 Base Charisma + 33 Bonus Charisma
45 Charisma



TEST 1 (45 Charisma):
Yellow Speech Check:
200 randomly generated yellow speech checks, results:
188 successful, 12 failed

Red Speech Check:
200 randomly generated red speech checks, results:
127 successful, 83 failed

TEST 2 (45 Charisma):
Yellow Speech Check:
200 randomly generated yellow speech checks, results:
183 successful, 17 failed

Red Speech Check:
200 randomly generated red speech checks, results:
136 successful, 64 failed

TEST 3 (45 Charisma):
Yellow Speech Check:
200 randomly generated yellow speech checks, results:
191 successful, 9 failed

Red Speech Check:
200 randomly generated red speech checks, results:
117 successful, 83 failed

[Mealz]

I fail speech checks too, normally i will save just before i choose it and if i fail just reload my save till i pass it, it works, just seems random.
I have also done this with red speech checks and passed.

[Vinnie Mack]

Originally posted by ♥♥♥♥ Mountain:

Unlike previous games where the percentage for speech checks were displayed, Fallout 4 relies on RNG. Whenever you attempt a speech check, a generator turns out a number, which will increase based on your charisma level. It's a stupid, out of place feature for the series but it's the one we're stuck with.

it is different from what we are use to, but i think it is more realistic. When talking to someone, we don't have a percentage chance displayed. It is more like the system used by FO4.

[Bored Peon]

Originally posted by Scarecrow - Free S-Racing Key-PM:

I found this interesting, just leaving it here:
12 Base Charisma

Grand Total:
12 Base Charisma + 33 Bonus Charisma
45 Charisma

Your 45 is not right.

The over/under is part of the wrong estimation. At best you can wear summer shorts +2 (only under) and +1x4 pieces of sharp giving a total of +6, giving clothing a total of +8 cha.

Also, alcohol effects do not stack, however you left out the perk for double effect. Alcohol being a total of +2 cha.

Chems do stack, for a total of +10 cha.

So the highest is 32 (base 12 + 8 gear, +2 alcohol, +10 chems)

Also you forgot the perks involving speech checks of opposite sex.

Liek I said though in the end it does not matter because you are always going to have that chance to fail a speech check.