How're automatic weapons working out for you?

[Bankstercide]

Greetings,

Been playing FO4 until the recent patch and I have to say that automatic weapons don't really work well for me. Their DPS on paper is lackluster even without considering their higher ammo consumption, to say nothing about their effective DPS being even lower due to recoil. I'm not even sure if NPCs like my Settlers are better with automatic weapons. Does anyone see a situation where automatic weapons would be more effective? VATS, maybe?

[Clown Smile]

they are pretty wasteful imo but im using that one you can buy in vault 81 with double shot and its basicaly like an inacurate sniper rifle that i can hip fire with.

[[BLA]Unmortal]

im stil missing something like a AK.

yes the combat rifle kinda fills that spot but sadly it doesnt fullfill my inner intrest.

also im missing a lever action rifle in fallout 4 would be nice if was in the game just a small reminder of fallout 3 or something and then a random guy in commonwealth would own this gun and preach about Lincon while having Lincons Repeater or something in a box on the wall of his shop

Y sorry im just missing some weapons that didnt make fallout 4 maybe there are more missing.

First Lincon Repeater (semi action single shot rifle)
Second the mind gun thing (mease mea of something)
Third the slingshot gun with a car on the front of it

it would be cool to have the Lincon Repeater back in the game but i geusse thats a rarity unless its hidden in a top secret bunker that lasted very long xd

[lockwoodx]

Unless it's a submachine gun with explosive bullets like Spray'N'Pray they are terrible. I still use single shot Rifles 90% of the time. The weight to damage ratio is just too OP. Even melee weapons are better than Autos sadly and while big guns are good after the perk there's too few of them and the ammo is a pain to keep topped off.

[Obsessive Power]

I quite like Assault rifles. My favourite being the Combat Rifle. If you play the game without building up your settlement/s though automatic weapons should really be avoided. I only use them because I have a way of making tons of caps from selling my settlements excess water. With my water purifiers I can make enough caps to just buy .45 ammo.

[lockwoodx]

引用自 matty_112：

I quite like Assault rifles. My favourite being the Combat Rifle. If you play the game without building up your settlement/s though automatic weapons should really be avoided. I only use them because I have a way of making tons of caps from selling my settlements excess water. With my water purifiers I can make enough caps to just buy .45 ammo.

The combat rifle is sexy, assault rifle even better, but get your hands on a railway rifle. Trust me. I thought that sucker was going to be under the big guns perk due to the size but even without perk bonuses, it's one of the most OP weapons out there. Ammo is an issue tho.

[Aros]

I like the gatling laser (I get so many power cores saved up it's not even funny). Good damage, ammo plentiful. Other than that, automatic weapons suck. The ballistic minigun is probably the weakest weapon in the game and it tries to make up for that by running out of ammo if you kill one thing with it. Non-auto combat shotguns are probably the strongest close combat weapon I've ever used in FO4.

If you want something stupidly OP, get a legendary Fat Man that shoots double projectiles, then MIRV mod it. It's so strong it'll instagib *you* most of the time. From long range.

[lockwoodx]

Gatling laser doesn't benefit from auto weapons perk. It's a big guns.

[B.O.S.]

引用自 Bankstercide：

Greetings,

Been playing FO4 until the recent patch and I have to say that automatic weapons don't really work well for me. Their DPS on paper is lackluster even without considering their higher ammo consumption, to say nothing about their effective DPS being even lower due to recoil. I'm not even sure if NPCs like my Settlers are better with automatic weapons. Does anyone see a situation where automatic weapons would be more effective? VATS, maybe?

I used to play with no VATS in FO3 and FONV, but in FO4 is terrible to skip VATS.

- You have to mod the weapons very focused for non-VATS action.

- Most of the combat perks are VATS based.

- Three S.P.E.C.I.A.L. are all about VATS (PER, LUC, AGI)

- The critical bar...

In any case, when skipping VATS, the ammo consumption goes crazy, even with decent aiming.

I was preparing a comparison video, counting spent bullets... I have to work more on it, but results are absurd so far, really.

btw, the best two automatic weapons in FO4 obtainable at level one are Overseer Guardian and Spray and Pray... they are good in any case, but much better with VATS

[lockwoodx]

引用自 B.O.S.：

引用自 Bankstercide：

Greetings,

Been playing FO4 until the recent patch and I have to say that automatic weapons don't really work well for me. Their DPS on paper is lackluster even without considering their higher ammo consumption, to say nothing about their effective DPS being even lower due to recoil. I'm not even sure if NPCs like my Settlers are better with automatic weapons. Does anyone see a situation where automatic weapons would be more effective? VATS, maybe?

I used to play with no VATS in FO3 and FONV, but in FO4 is terrible to skip VATS.

- You have to mod the weapons very focused for non-VATS action.

- Most of the combat perks are VATS based.

- Three S.P.E.C.I.A.L. are all about VATS (PER, LUC, AGI)

- The critical bar...

In any case, when skipping VATS, the ammo consumption goes crazy, even with decent aiming.

I was preparing a comparison video, counting spent bullets... I have to work more on it, but results are absurd so far, really.

btw, the best two automatic weapons in FO4 obtainable at level one are Overseer Guardian and Spray and Pray... with a different.

I avoid VATS 99% of the time and consider it a waste in Fallout 4 when compared to other Fallout titles it was a stable. That's both a tribute and an insult to how well the gunplay is in Fallout 4 to the point you never need VATS and when it comes to core features in games being diminished to the point of non-use, that's a pathetic job on the Developer's part.

[Aros]

引用自 lockwoodx：

Gatling laser doesn't benefit from auto weapons perk. It's a big guns.

I'm not talking about perk class on Gatling Laser. I'm talking about the fact that it's an automatic weapon by definition. For the perk qualifying class of weapons... You're in a tough spot until the kit is out. Too much of a damage penalty on the auto receivers, especially when you factor in all the extra missed shots and scarcity of ammo. We'll definitely need a rebalancing mod for automatic pistols/rifles.

[lockwoodx]

引用自 Balrogic：

引用自 lockwoodx：

Gatling laser doesn't benefit from auto weapons perk. It's a big guns.

I'm not talking about perk class on Gatling Laser. I'm talking about the fact that it's an automatic weapon by definition. For the perk qualifying class of weapons... You're in a tough spot until the kit is out. Too much of a damage penalty on the auto receivers, especially when you factor in all the extra missed shots and scarcity of ammo. We'll definitely need a rebalancing mod for automatic pistols/rifles.

Ok I hear that. The Cryolator is also an "automatic" weapon but under the big guns perk and pretty much decimates anything once modified.

[B.O.S.]

that's a pathetic job on the Developer's part.

We'll definitely need a rebalancing mod for automatic pistols/rifles.

hmm, I think devs made a good work in some areas, but I really hope they work on re-balancing the non-VATS alternative a bit.

For me, to play non-VATS in FO3 was a pleasure.
In FO3 the Chinese Assault Rifle was pretty good for non-VATS. The 10mm Sub-Machine Gun was ok too. Legendary versions, even better. Ammo stock for both was keepable. Perks and SPECIAL were not so VATS oriented... I used to feel pretty confident playing non-VATS...

For me, to play non-VATS in FO4 is a pain.
Even going for the best "rapid fire" weapons at level one, I feel under-powered playing non-VATS, spending too much ammo, having to skip many perks choices, making SPECIAL points useless...

[lockwoodx]

引用自 B.O.S.：

that's a pathetic job on the Developer's part.

We'll definitely need a rebalancing mod for automatic pistols/rifles.

hmm, I think devs good a great work in some areas, but I really hope they work on re-balancing the non-VATS alternative a bit.

For me, to play non-VATS in FO3 was a pleasure.
In FO3 the Chinese Assault Rifle was pretty good for non-VATS. The 10mm Sub-Machine Gun was ok too. Legendary versions, even better. Ammo stock for both was keepable. Perks and SPECIAL were not so VATS oriented... I used to feel pretty confident playing non-VATS...

For me, to play non-VATS in FO4 is a pain.
Even going for the best "rapid fire" weapons at level one, I feel under-powered playing non-VATS, spending too much ammo, having to skip many perks choices, making SPECIAL points useless...

I was ultra lucky and got an Assassin's plasma rifle. First thing I did was convert it to a Plasma Thrower and never need Vats again. I let them come to me, and welcome to Melt Disney World.

[Reggie]

My favourite weapon in the game is an Assault Rifle (5.56 Ammo - not legendary) great weapon fully modded it is an absolute beast, is superior to the minigun (Instant fire) has almost no recoil and almost every bullet hits from close-medium-long range it literally annihilates everything i come across, to the point i ended up taking the difficulty up to max because of it, there is also a dude sat out in his shack (North east map) that sells 250-300 5.56 ammo rounds every time i go back to him and most vendors sell the ammo too.

Don't get me wrong everyone has their own preferences and weapon types and thats one of the great things about Fallout, the choice of weaponry, but flat out claiming they are useless because you either don't have the aptitude to use them properly, don't mod correctly or just prefer single shots is plain daft.

Personally i run around with an instigating .50 Sniper, 2 shot shotgun and a fully modded assault rifle (not legendary) and there is nothing i cannot wipe out before it gets anywhere near me which is why i rarely end up using the shotgun anyway and i never use VATS as you really don't need to with the better gunplay in Fallout 4.

[Painkiller]

Spray-n-Pray, with the explosive perk, is on bad ass auto. Most of the others stink but, that thing is a killing machine. Been carrying it with me ever since I bought it, a few weeks back irl.