Flirt with Danse

[Under Your Bed]

Why would a hetero male who has woken up from being frozen after losing everything except his wife & child then seeing his wife shot dead & his child stolen suddenly start flirting with Danse?

It makes no sense at all. Can anyone explain why this is even an option? (Even if the char was female).

[Frostbringer]

Originally posted by A ||| K:

The option is there, but how likely is it really that this male char is a closet bi or gay? Just seems to be more for convenience to please certain people. That's what seems forced & why I think it's not believable to me.

To randomly start flirting with a male as a hetero male when you have no idea if danse is even gay just because you spend some time with him......? It's like I have to come up with excuses that my male hetero char might be a closet bi or gay for this to make sense.

Also I've not spent long periods of time with Danse. I went off did other things met other companions, explored, etc. I just visit each one every now & again when I think of it to see what happens. I randomly got 'flirt' suddenly in a dialogue option after danse spoke about his concerns with the medic (forget her name) which turned out to be more to do with danse losing confidence in himself.

I looked up stockholm syndrome, but my char wasn't captured & isn't held captive by danse. Wiki says stockhom syndrome can be ('CAN BE') seen as a form of trauma bonding.

Trauma bonding:

"Traumatic bonding occurs as the result of ongoing cycles of abuse in which the intermittent reinforcement of reward and punishment creates powerful emotional bonds that are resistant to change."

When did danse abuse my char? Ongoing cycles of abuse haven't occured.

Meh,

Like I said, I didn't bother doing any research into a real comparisons, since I think you are focusing on a specific thing that you have a personal issue with, or are trying very hard to force "controversy", just being a troll, or starting to question your own personal feelings based on a "conversation options" in a video game.

In real relationships, do you immediately ask someone, " Hey are you gay/bi,straight?" or do you do something a bit more discreet, such as "flirting"?

Not much of a discussion point really, since there are maybe 3-4 times you have the option to complete a one line "flirt" with your companions before you reach the final affinity level. that's a really strongly build relationship there for being a life-ling companion.

Are for "believe-ability"..... you do know you survived a 200 year deep freeze. Maybe in this Game reality people are as stuck as you are on different options of affection.

[sierra_one_]

Originally posted by +†+ Bradley:

Originally posted by MJ:

Will. the devs have to do the gay thing otherwise they will get accused of being homophobic.

Bingo.

More options are always welcome, though. I very much doubt the addition of non-hetero romance options impacted any other element of the game.

[Juzt_Lernin]

Why do straight men hook up in prison?

[[CG]Chaplain Bradley]

Originally posted by Juzt_Lernin:

Why do straight men hook up in prison?

Most of those "hook ups" are sexual assaults.

[Panc]

Originally posted by A ||| K:

Why would a hetero male who has woken up from being frozen after losing everything except his wife & child then seeing his wife shot dead & his child stolen suddenly start flirting with Danse?

because freezing for long time gave him a mental illness of suddenly becoming gay and not thinking deeply about his dead wife and his lost son

[Under Your Bed]

Originally posted by Juzt_Lernin:

Why do straight men hook up in prison?

You tell us.

My char isn't in prison.

[[CG]Chaplain Bradley]

Originally posted by sierraoneseven:

More options are always welcome, though. I very much doubt the addition of non-hetero romance options impacted any other element of the game.

They did not impact any other element of the game because they were shallow and tacked on, as the previous poster mentioned. Although the option to romance Danse was immersion-breaking for me, personally, I agree 100% that games like Fallout 4 are all about freedom and I would never think of petitioning to have those elements/options removed. If homosexuals were born that way, shouldn't the in-game option be established at the Create-A-Character screen?

[Under Your Bed]

Originally posted by S1S Mr.Pancake:

Originally posted by A ||| K:

Why would a hetero male who has woken up from being frozen after losing everything except his wife & child then seeing his wife shot dead & his child stolen suddenly start flirting with Danse?

because freezing for long time gave him a mental illness of suddenly becoming gay and not thinking deeply about his dead wife and his lost son

That could be a possible reason yep.

Would the scientists not have took this side effect into consideration before even conducting experiments on live human subjects (by freezing them for long periods of time)?

Assuming the scientists experimented on mice for example first & then monitored their behaviour after being thawed out/woken from deep freeze sleep/suspended animation. If the results showed any possibility that an animal or humans sexual preference could change after cryogenic freezing do you think this experiment would continue to go on?

Would it be hidden from people or would it be explained as a possible side effect as a result of being frozen for a long period of time which could cause mental illness leading to the possibility of becomming gay?

[sierra_one_]

Originally posted by +†+ Bradley:

Originally posted by sierraoneseven:

More options are always welcome, though. I very much doubt the addition of non-hetero romance options impacted any other element of the game.

They did not impact any other element of the game because they were shallow and tacked on, as the previous poster mentioned. Although the option to romance Danse was immersion-breaking for me, personally, I agree 100% that games like Fallout 4 are all about freedom and I would never think of petitioning to have those elements/options removed. If homosexuals were born that way, shouldn't the in-game option be established at the Create-A-Character screen?

That solution would probably be far too railroaded (pun unintentional) for a modern Bethesda game. It's not just a question of sexuality, but also sexual liberty. Being made to pre-determine aspects of a character's psyche would be far too restrictive. I don't imagine Bethesda expected many players to dislike having the option to initiate relationships, non-hetero or otherwise. A similar example would be having your immersion broken by being offered the choice to demand more caps for a job (morally dubious), because you feel like you're playing a distinguished, all-American war hero.

[TVMAN]

Originally posted by A ||| K:

Why would a hetero male who has woken up from being frozen after losing everything except his wife & child then seeing his wife shot dead & his child stolen suddenly start flirting with Danse?

It makes no sense at all. Can anyone explain why this is even an option? (Even if the char was female).

He normally wouldn't, but the option is there for you.

[[CG]Chaplain Bradley]

Originally posted by sierraoneseven:

It's not just a question of sexuality, but also sexual liberty. Being made to pre-determine aspects of a character's psyche would be far too restrictive.

You make a good point. For example, players cannot choose to change gender mid-game but can change sexual preference. Shouldn't players be permitted to emasculate themselves? Why not?

[ubik]

Originally posted by A ||| K:

Originally posted by Juzt_Lernin:

Why do straight men hook up in prison?

You tell us.

My char isn't in prison.

The numbers on prison rape is around 20-25%. Rest is consensual. Inmates who have sex in prison usually consider themselves hetero, but "gay on the inside"... inside meaning prison.

[sierra_one_]

Originally posted by +†+ Bradley:

Originally posted by sierraoneseven:

It's not just a question of sexuality, but also sexual liberty. Being made to pre-determine aspects of a character's psyche would be far too restrictive.

You make a good point. For example, players cannot choose to change gender mid-game but can change sexual preference. Shouldn't players be permitted to emasculate themselves? Why not?

Sex reassignment surgery probably isn't possible in the Wasteland (I've never used the Diamond City surgery centre, I might be wrong). On the other hand, I'm fairly certain male characters are able to wear female clothing, and vice versa. Usually in Bethesda games individual clothing items will come with a male and female version, which seems to have changed in this game. So yeah, a female character could emasculate herself by wearing men's clothing and having facial reconstruction surgery.

In any case, that's a little beside the point. Sexual preference is more susceptible to change than gender identity, and requires very little in the way of actual game mechanics beside a line or two of additional dialogue per romanceable character. Just as there's no dialogue or GUI option needed to change sexual identity, neither is there one needed to change gender identity. They're both fairly well-integrated into the game as mechanics, and a lot of intepretation for the reasoning is left open to the player. People's characters can be much more representative, at very little cost to Bethesda.

[gonzoguns]

I always make Hot looking girls and ramance women, and I always play a female character (I'd rather watch a good looking backside while I'm playing) , and in this game I'm doing all 3 at the same time, Cait, Piper, and Curie, it's a bit fun watching them get jealous when I take one with me on a killing spree.....I play all my games like this.....has nothing to do with preferance, has to do with me liking a nice butt instead of a guy's.

[Morrandir]

Originally posted by gonzoguns:

I always make Hot looking girls and ramance women, and I always play a female character (I'd rather watch a good looking backside while I'm playing) , and in this game I'm doing all 3 at the same time, Cait, Piper, and Curie, it's a bit fun watching them get jealous when I take one with me on a killing spree.....I play all my games like this.....has nothing to do with preferance, has to do with me liking a nice butt instead of a guy's.

Did the same but later on realised that the backside of a set if X-01 PA looks the same regardless of gender :(