Fallout: New Vegas - Not as good as most people think

[You takin notes]

stop reviving this thread

[Hobo Misanthropus]

Never forget, this was the opinion about New Vegas on Launch.

Never

Forget

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zfgnuabLeBY&t=25s

[MaximumEffort]

Ursprünglich geschrieben von Hobo Misanthropus:

Never forget, this was the opinion about New Vegas on Launch.

Never

Forget

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zfgnuabLeBY&t=25s

Everyone forgets. Just like they forget the mess W3 was at launch. On par with Skyrim and NV, at least.

[MortVent]

Ursprünglich geschrieben von sjrekis:

Ursprünglich geschrieben von Hobo Misanthropus:

Never forget, this was the opinion about New Vegas on Launch.

Never

Forget

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zfgnuabLeBY&t=25s

Everyone forgets. Just like they forget the mess W3 was at launch. On par with Skyrim and NV, at least.

and worse in some cases, but they had pretty graphics so they got a free pass for the demonic horse issues among others

[MaximumEffort]

Ursprünglich geschrieben von MortVent:

Ursprünglich geschrieben von sjrekis:

Everyone forgets. Just like they forget the mess W3 was at launch. On par with Skyrim and NV, at least.

and worse in some cases, but they had pretty graphics so they got a free pass for the demonic horse issues among others

Pop in NPCs. Disappearing quest NPCs. Broken quest chains. Inability to launch on the PS4 at all for half the buyers. Heavy stability issues.
36GB worth of patch later, the game is still a mess.

[TakenStew22]

Ursprünglich geschrieben von Hobo Misanthropus:

Never forget, this was the opinion about New Vegas on Launch.

Never

Forget

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zfgnuabLeBY&t=25s

The comment section and the amount of dislikes on that video shows just how violent and vicious the New Vegas fanbase can be when someone doesn't like their game, and this is coming from someone that likes NV and all the other Fallout games.

[Moon Rabbit]

New Vegas is an objectively better RPG. The DLC is far more interesting as well. It simply doesn't play as well, or look as good. The endings aren't as absolute either, with the options to actually have factions ally or the very least call a truce. Unlike F4 which has everyone just act as extreme ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ to each other regardless of if it makes sense.

Old World Blues is more interesting than just about everything in F4.

[Moon Rabbit]

Ursprünglich geschrieben von Hobo Misanthropus:

Never forget, this was the opinion about New Vegas on Launch.

Never

Forget

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zfgnuabLeBY&t=25s

Yeah but that can be said of damn near every Bethesda launch. If not all of them.

[Hobo Misanthropus]

Yeah, you should see the one where he criticizes Obsidian Entertainment too.

Mind you, Razorfist didn't like Fallout 4 either. (Well, he liked all 3 of the new Fallouts, but Fallout 3 and NV he liked more than Fallout 4).

Just goes to show you, I'm not against people thinking Fallout NV is better than Fallout 4, I just hate that people ignore it's immense flaws in doing so.

Also, Razorfist is one of the few people who criticized Witcher 3 as well. But he'll never feature Witcher 3 on his channel anymore because he hates that it plagarizes the Elric series.

Ursprünglich geschrieben von Plus Ultra:

Ursprünglich geschrieben von Hobo Misanthropus:

Never forget, this was the opinion about New Vegas on Launch.

Never

Forget

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zfgnuabLeBY&t=25s

Yeah but that can be said of damn near every Bethesda launch. If not all of them.

Sorry, but New Vegas was Orders of magnitude worse at launch than ANY Bethesda game. If you're going to compare the usual Bethesda bug (IE Floating Mammoths) to the caliber of bugs in New Vegas (Literally destroying your hard drive via Bad Sector writes) then we're jsut on different planets.

[Moon Rabbit]

Ursprünglich geschrieben von Hobo Misanthropus:

Yeah, you should see the one where he criticizes Obsidian Entertainment too.

Mind you, Razorfist didn't like Fallout 4 either. (Well, he liked all 3 of the new Fallouts, but Fallout 3 and NV he liked more than Fallout 4).

Just goes to show you, I'm not against people thinking Fallout NV is better than Fallout 4, I just hate that people ignore it's immense flaws in doing so.

Also, Razorfist is one of the few people who criticized Witcher 3 as well. But he'll never feature Witcher 3 on his channel anymore because he hates that it plagarizes the Elric series.

Ursprünglich geschrieben von Plus Ultra:

Yeah but that can be said of damn near every Bethesda launch. If not all of them.

Sorry, but New Vegas was Orders of magnitude worse at launch than ANY Bethesda game. If you're going to compare the usual Bethesda bug (IE Floating Mammoths) to the caliber of bugs in New Vegas (Literally destroying your hard drive via Bad Sector writes) then we're jsut on different planets.

Yeah it's (arguably) more buggy but it was made by a different developer, and it was far more complex than anything by Bethesda. As an RPG, the sheer options are far greater. It has more bugs because it took the engine further than Bethesda in an 18 month development cycle. Which was obscenely short.

It was far more inspired than F3, and even F4 in terms of sheer player choice and interaction with the world. Quests had more ways of completion with far more varied outcomes.

So yeah it was buggier, but Bethesda games are so damn buggy it's a pointless distinction to say one is worse at this point.

and you're talking about launches. Both F4 and FNV are completed. We compare the games as they are now.

[TakenStew22]

Ursprünglich geschrieben von Hobo Misanthropus:

(Literally destroying your hard drive via Bad Sector writes)

Wow that sounds bad. Can you give me more information on these "Bad Sector writes"? I'm quite interested.

[Hobo Misanthropus]

Ursprünglich geschrieben von TakenStew22:

Ursprünglich geschrieben von Hobo Misanthropus:

(Literally destroying your hard drive via Bad Sector writes)

Wow that sounds bad. Can you give me more information on these "Bad Sector writes"? I'm quite interested.

Yeah, not sure which version it was patched out in (PS3 might never have had it patched) But if you have objects in the Mojave Express deliver box, and you complete "Come Fly With Me" itself, a notoriously buggy quest which can trigger a corrupted save, will write a bad sector to the hard drive. So basically this escalates the normal Save Corruption bug into a bad sector/unrecoverable write error. When a certain percentage (Or any of the early sector index) blocks become unrecoverable, the hard drive is officially dead.

For Xbox360, this can happen exceedingly fast on account of the stock 20GB hard drive (As few as 4 save corruptions will kill the drive outright) On larger hard Drives, you may never notice it unless you are intentionally trying to kill your drive for Science. The best way to check is to run a disk check before and after suffering a corrupted save to see if it wrote new bad blocks. Formatting does not restore the drive.

I do not know if SSD's are suceptible to this.

[crgzero]

Ursprünglich geschrieben von Confused Potato:

I have seen people EVERYWHERE saying things like " Fallout 4 is a terrible game. New vegas was better. Fallout 4 is just a shooter with RPG elements. Let obsidian make the next fallout", etc. Now, criticism is fine. Hell, I would PREFER if people voice their concerns for a game, rather than blindly praise it. However, I think people need to stop putting new vegas up on a pedestal that nothing can top. Because New Vegas isn't as great as people think it is. I am in no way saying it's a bad game, however, it is an AMAZING game. I just think people need to stop blindly praising NV and blindly hating F4, and they need to take a new perspective on things.

I think that years of modding has affected what people see as vanilla New Vegas. People call Fallout 4 a broken, buggy mess. Yet New Vegas was almost unplayable on launch. That just goes to show that obsidian are not the gods people make them out to be. You could say that it's Bethesda's fault for giving them such a short development time, however the release date was clear from day 1; It's obsidians fault for not making the game playable at release.

Now, people say that Fallout 4's story is terrible, something only a child could write. Now, the story wasn't exactly good, but it wasn't THAT bad. New Vegas didn't exactly have a great story either. In fact, you really had no reason to do it at all, you never really had a reason to stay in Nevada. You get shot in the head? So what. You survived, why not just go back to what you were doing? There's a huge war between some factions? Well who the ♥♥♥♥ cares? You have no reason to care about either of them, it's none of your business. If Fallout 4 has a bad story, then you can't deny that New Vegas doesn't have a bad one either, since it's all basically just "DIS GUY SHOT ME IN THE HEAD, IMMA KILL HIM." then a faction approaches you and basically says "WOH U KILLD A DOOD. NOBODY HAS EVER DON THAT B4. JOIN US ♥♥♥♥♥." Seriously? You at least have a better reason to join a faction in Fallout 4. They'll help you find Shaun. Now, I will say this, Fallout 4's story allows for less role-playing, but we'll get to roleplaying soon enough.

Next up, the gameplay. People call this game a SHOOTER WITH RPG ELEMENTS. If Fallout 4 is a shooter, then what the ♥♥♥♥ is New Vegas? That's the game that introduced Iron Sights into the series. Would you rather the game have terrible gameplay? At least Bethesda made a game with enjoyable ♥♥♥♥ing combat for once. And How is it a shooter? You can still use melee weapons. You can still sneak, you can still talk to people, talk your way out of fights. So saying that it's JUST a shooter with RPG elements, well that's just wrong.

Now, for the Role-Playing. New Vegas allowed you to create a backstory for your character due to how the story started. It didn't give you a set past aside from that you're a courier. Except for one thing. Lonesome Road. That DLC literally gives your character a past, like it or not. And with Fallout 4, you have a backstory. You're from the great war, you have a family, etc. However, there is one thing that makes that all completely irrelevant. The Bombs. You are now a blank slate. What matters is your story after the bombs fall, yes? That's where you spend the majority of the game. Now, you might say "Well, what about Shaun? He's still alive. That's part of your backstory, and you spend the game searching for him". Well, yes. But you're forgetting one important detail.You can kill Shaun before he even has a chance to say a single word to you.There have also been complaints saying, "YOU CAN'T BE EVIL IN FALLOUT 4!". And that's just... wrong. We all know you can be evil in Fallout 4. You can kill (almost) anyone. Is killing a GOOD thing now? You canblow up the institute, leaving everyone innocent inside, including children.You can Betray the faction that helped you throughout the game, killing them all I would list all the evil options in the game, but I feel that these are good enough examples.



PLEASE KEEP IN MIND PEOPLE; I AM IN NO WAY SAYING THAT NEW VEGAS IS A BAD GAME.

PLEASE KEEP IN MIND PEOPLE;

Your opinion is just an opinion and is most likely not shared by as many people as you've deluded yourself into.

[AriDeer]

Ursprünglich geschrieben von crgzero:

PLEASE KEEP IN MIND PEOPLE;

Your opinion is just an opinion and is most likely not shared by as many people as you've deluded yourself into.

That goes both ways

[Locuust]

A game built on Bethesda's Gamebryo wasn't shining beacon of proper game design for fans and makers alike?! Surely you jest sir!

/sarcasm off

I still have a wave of terror wash over me when I think about them bringing in MMO coding veterans to force netcode into gamebryo for Fallout 76. I would not want to be in their shoes trying to fix that spaghetti code. Personally, I feel like they would be better served taking a modern engine with proven netcode and retooling their workflow on top of it. Perhaps one of the stumbling blocks is mods (not that they'll have them at launch for 76).

[William the Conqueror]

Jesus people start a new thread