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Father is NOT the real shaun! !!! SPOILERS !!!
hey guys, i came across something more mindblowing then the initial "my son is 70 years old now" thing. when youre in kelloggs memories, in the last scene where he and shaun are sitting in his shack, waiting for the instituteagent to pick him up and bring him into the institute, there is the radio playing in the background. it was playing too in one of the other scenes when you saw kellogg and his mom. then the DJ spoke of the new californian republic.but now as kellog sits there with shaun. you can hear the normal diamond city DJ talking about piper... and the mayor told you kellogg lived with a little boy in the city not long ago wich in combination means that this scene with the 10 year old shaun cant be happened 60 years ago. so... think about it. why would kellogg babysit the 10 year old synth shaun? no this scene must have been the real one. that 10 year old shaun must be the real one. and yes you get a ton of info about kellogg in the institute, that kellogg was preserved to become older than normal... i dont belive that. IT COULD BE, that the radio DJ talking about piper is a bug. and i cant tell where the real shaun now is. the 10 year old shaun that you get to see in the institute IS a synth. and if you destroy the institute you get that synth shaun as some sort of companion.
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The Institute was always ready to assassinate the SS if necessary. The truth is that Father did not trust any of the Institute leadership to carry his ideal forward, and he had to invoke someone he could manipulate and place his faith upon.

Who would he appoint? Madison Li, one he never trusted, with known links to the Brotherhood of Steel and haunted by the ghosts of war? He wasn't privy to the fact that she had a lot of spite for the Institute's contempt for the survivors above, and even lied to her about Brian Virgil's whereabouts, Justin Ayo, with his tyrannical tendencies to manipulate the entire Institute towards his own personal gain, Clayton Holdren, which would do just about anything to manipulate biology and restore the future, even if it meant railroading from the Institute's core ideology? Allie Filmore, deluxe janitor and "chief engineer"? Nah.
Отредактировано Dr. Dro ඞ; 29 сен. 2017 г. в 9:48
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The Institute was always ready to assassinate the SS if necessary. The truth is that Father did not trust any of the Institute leadership to carry his ideal forward, and he had to invoke someone he could manipulate and place his faith upon.

Who would he appoint? Madison Li, one he never trusted, with known links to the Brotherhood of Steel and haunted by the ghosts of war? He wasn't privy to the fact that she had a lot of spite for the Institute's contempt for the survivors above, and even lied to her about Brian Virgil's whereabouts, Justin Ayo, with his tyrannical tendencies to manipulate the entire Institute towards his own personal gain, Clayton Holdren, which would do just about anything to manipulate biology and restore the future, even if it meant railroading from the Institute's core ideology? Allie Filmore, deluxe janitor and "chief engineer"? Nah.

Yep. They bugged out before the Survivor even got there. Leaving an excellent story and a few synths behind.

Got to think what the Institute is capable of. They tried to kill the Survivor.

There is a mystery still, but there is no mystery if the Institute is telling the truth or not. They were telling alot of lies and dropping alot of synths. Thats their way. Thats the fiction.
Отредактировано Flippy; 29 сен. 2017 г. в 9:52
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The Institute was always ready to assassinate the SS if necessary. The truth is that Father did not trust any of the Institute leadership to carry his ideal forward, and he had to invoke someone he could manipulate and place his faith upon.

Who would he appoint? Madison Li, one he never trusted, with known links to the Brotherhood of Steel and haunted by the ghosts of war? He wasn't privy to the fact that she had a lot of spite for the Institute's contempt for the survivors above, and even lied to her about Brian Virgil's whereabouts, Justin Ayo, with his tyrannical tendencies to manipulate the entire Institute towards his own personal gain, Clayton Holdren, which would do just about anything to manipulate biology and restore the future, even if it meant railroading from the Institute's core ideology? Allie Filmore, deluxe janitor and "chief engineer"? Nah.

Yep. They bugged out before the Survivor even got there.

They didn't bug out, they're all considered untrustworthy and with their own ideological background. Madison Li in particular had an itch to betray the Institute, she felt used by it, Dr. Li's life is a very sad one - she has been lied to and manipulated by just about everybody she was associated with, sexually frustrated (James turned her down for Catherine, and then ran off to Vault 101 with the Lone Wanderer, just when she had a chance James died in the Project Purity control room), Brian Virgil did not believe that the ends justified the means and sabotaged the FEV program, it goes on and on, man. All of it is documented in the game somewhere, and a lot of it is also founded upon the events of Fallout 3.
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Yep. They bugged out before the Survivor even got there.

They didn't bug out, they're all considered untrustworthy and with their own ideological background. Madison Li in particular had an itch to betray the Institute, she felt used by it, Dr. Li's life is a very sad one - she has been lied to and manipulated by just about everybody she was associated with, sexually frustrated (James turned her down for Catherine, and then ran off to Vault 101 with the Lone Wanderer, just when she had a chance James died in the Project Purity control room), Brian Virgil did not believe that the ends justified the means and sabotaged the FEV program, it goes on and on, man. All of it is documented in the game somewhere, and a lot of it is also founded upon the events of Fallout 3.

See you ignoring the facts and assuming the Institute is telling the truth... Also ignoring what the Institute capabilites are.

That the loyal Institute bugged out is a wild guess. Or that just the leader did. But its likely.
Отредактировано Flippy; 29 сен. 2017 г. в 9:55
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See you ignoring the facts and assuming the Institute is telling the truth...

The Institute has many reasons to manipulate people. However, this runs deeper than that, it's the very foundation of its organization. This is a personal thing for Shaun, not for the Institute. The Institute follows a presidential model of government, except that there are no elections and successors are appointed by the previous director while still in life.

Shaun is the director, and the other sub-directors act as the Congress. Much like Trump doesn't govern the US like Shillary would, the Institute under Shaun is different than it was under the previous director, and it would be different with any of the other directors at its helm. While it is true Congress has to authorize most of the President's moves, the internal strife and power struggle that was taking place within the Institute required Shaun to take drastic action at the peril of the organization's very end.

Either he ran the risk of getting it destroyed by the SS, or he would have it destroyed from within.
Отредактировано Dr. Dro ඞ; 29 сен. 2017 г. в 9:58
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They didn't bug out, they're all considered untrustworthy and with their own ideological background. Madison Li in particular had an itch to betray the Institute, she felt used by it, Dr. Li's life is a very sad one - she has been lied to and manipulated by just about everybody she was associated with, sexually frustrated (James turned her down for Catherine, and then ran off to Vault 101 with the Lone Wanderer, just when she had a chance James died in the Project Purity control room), Brian Virgil did not believe that the ends justified the means and sabotaged the FEV program, it goes on and on, man. All of it is documented in the game somewhere, and a lot of it is also founded upon the events of Fallout 3.

See you ignoring the facts and assuming the Institute is telling the truth... Also ignoring what the Institute capabilites are.

That the loyal Institute bugged out is a wild guess. Or that just the leader did. But its likely.
Also flippy I find it convenient that you ignored my post explaining the maths behind Shauns age and when he is kidnapped which is concrete proof of actual Shauns age and there aren't that many elderly people in the institute, none of which change with the player character. On their own all of these pieces of evidence can be refuted, however when put together it shows that Father is the only person in the entire institute who fits the criteria.

I see you are ignoring the facts.
The "Father" character was a synth.

The real Shaun escaped the Institute and let the Survivor free and remains at large somewhere outside the Commonwealth. Basically everything the Institute told the Survivor was a lie.

Read back 2 pages for details. The great secret has been discovered! :)

In fact I am going to search for the real Shauns camp sites and maybe clues as he made his escape from the Commonwealth.

Отредактировано Flippy; 29 сен. 2017 г. в 11:04
that's all in your mind, Flip. I already told you that there's no synth component in Father's corpse, therefore he could not be a synth.
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that's all in your mind, Flip. I already told you that there's no synth component in Father's corpse, therefore he could not be a synth.

That was already explained.

But it is quite the story, that the Survivor seen such tragedy having his son stolen from him by this cruel faction, and that his son later escapes and sets him free.

The irony, that his son had already escaped the Commonwealth as he woke up.
Отредактировано Flippy; 29 сен. 2017 г. в 12:00
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that's all in your mind, Flip. I already told you that there's no synth component in Father's corpse, therefore he could not be a synth.

That was already explained. Dont be jealous i figured it out. :) Although the maker of this topic really figured it out as well.
Stop saying this.
"I figured it out", "facts here and there".
Back up your "facts".
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That was already explained. Dont be jealous i figured it out. :) Although the maker of this topic really figured it out as well.
Stop saying this.
"I figured it out", "facts here and there".
Back up your "facts".

All done.
His son doesn't escape, he's taken straight to the Institute, experimented on as a baby, raised as a scientist and eventually ascends to its very leadership. You know that.
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Stop saying this.
"I figured it out", "facts here and there".
Back up your "facts".

All done.
You ain't done ♥♥♥♥.
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that's all in your mind, Flip. I already told you that there's no synth component in Father's corpse, therefore he could not be a synth.
Synth components are only there to control the synths. They don't need the component if they're not being controlled.
Отредактировано Brandybuck; 30 сен. 2017 г. в 15:22
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that's all in your mind, Flip. I already told you that there's no synth component in Father's corpse, therefore he could not be a synth.
Synth components are only there to control the synths. They don't need the component if they're not being controlled.

Every single one of them, controlled, liberated, or not, has them. Why wasn't it removed from synths that have been freed, after they've been reprogrammed by the Railroad, then? If you're going to take things that far, you might as well believe the Railroad has a far more sinister plan in mind.
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