Father is NOT the real shaun! !!! SPOILERS !!!

[Peter Green]

hey guys, i came across something more mindblowing then the initial "my son is 70 years old now" thing. when youre in kelloggs memories, in the last scene where he and shaun are sitting in his shack, waiting for the instituteagent to pick him up and bring him into the institute, there is the radio playing in the background. it was playing too in one of the other scenes when you saw kellogg and his mom. then the DJ spoke of the new californian republic.but now as kellog sits there with shaun. you can hear the normal diamond city DJ talking about piper... and the mayor told you kellogg lived with a little boy in the city not long ago wich in combination means that this scene with the 10 year old shaun cant be happened 60 years ago. so... think about it. why would kellogg babysit the 10 year old synth shaun? no this scene must have been the real one. that 10 year old shaun must be the real one. and yes you get a ton of info about kellogg in the institute, that kellogg was preserved to become older than normal... i dont belive that. IT COULD BE, that the radio DJ talking about piper is a bug. and i cant tell where the real shaun now is. the 10 year old shaun that you get to see in the institute IS a synth. and if you destroy the institute you get that synth shaun as some sort of companion.

[Overheadace]

Originally posted by Darkaiser:

Oh by the way...If you look up Irony in the dictionary one of the definitions is 'Guy who has played 600 hours on a game telling the guy who has played 900 hours to play more.' Just sayin...

LUUUL

[Solomon Hawk]

Father, is a dork.

[Darkaiser]

Originally posted by Tempest Stormcaller:

Father, is a dork.

On THAT, many players can agree lol

[Shahadem]

I think it is pretty obvious that your kid is actually just the big vat of stem cell goo that they use to make synths. Why did they need your baby in particular? Because your baby was probably full of the stem cells they needed to grow synths. They couldn't risk using a baby from their own population as their DNA is unstable and likely to face transcription errors during mitosis. While the game doesn't present this as a problem we can assume that every person we encounter faces a drastically higher cancer risk than you do as the prolonged radiation exposure has dramatically increased the chance for mistakes to occur when cells divide in the irradiated population. Since your cells and Shaun's cells have only divided a small number of times since the bombs fell the likelihood of a problem occuring during transcription is much smaller than for those in the Institute.

So what happened to Shaun? They kidnapped him, threw him in a blender and then dumped the Shaun smoothie into the pool.

If you play your cards right you can lead Father to the pool, shoot him in the head and then dump him into the pool too. Like Father like [your] son.

[Darkaiser]

Originally posted by Shahadem:

I think it is pretty obvious that your kid is actually just the big vat of stem cell goo that they use to make synths. Why did they need your baby in particular? Because your baby was probably full of the stem cells they needed to grow synths. They couldn't risk using a baby from their own population as their DNA is unstable and likely to face transcription errors during mitosis. While the game doesn't present this as a problem we can assume that every person we encounter faces a drastically higher cancer risk than you do as the prolonged radiation exposure has dramatically increased the chance for mistakes to occur when cells divide in the irradiated population. Since your cells and Shaun's cells have only divided a small number of times since the bombs fell the likelihood of a problem occuring during transcription is much smaller than for those in the Institute.

So what happened to Shaun? They kidnapped him, threw him in a blender and then dumped the Shaun smoothie into the pool.

If you play your cards right you can lead Father to the pool, shoot him in the head and then dump him into the pool too. Like Father like [your] son.

Wow...this sort of makes sense. I'd like to see a mod where more of the cryo tubes are empty with records that they took more than just Shaun for a wider genetic diversity.

[Nifty.Dog]

you twit

[Flippy]

Originally posted by Lord Beerus:

Originally posted by Darkaiser:

Sad to say, there are enough holes in the initial plotline to drive a train through.

The Institute needs 'pure DNA' to take their Gen 3 synth program to completion. They have a whole vault full of people with such DNA literally on ice. So after extracting ONE sample (a baby), they're going to toss the rest out? HUH? Those people were frozen solid. They were NO threat to anyone. What if Shaun got sick? They leave a grand total of ONE backup and kill the rest? Stupid.

There is absolutely NO reason for the Synths to replace anyone. When you replace people you have to download their memories, imitate their habits etc. We have a chance to run across one in the process of taking out the person he's supposed to replace. Like that NEVER happened before? Much easier to simply create synths, give them identites and introduce them into the various communities peacefully. Not like anyone is handing out ID or anything.

The Institute is SO worried about spying on the Commonwealth and yet they don't bother to make Synth dogs. SEROUSLY? They can grow gorillas (and not like THOSE have any use) but a Synth dog could spy on anyone without fear of being caught. They guy who travels around selling the dogs could even be a real guy just in case! Waste of an opportunity there.

To date, I have found no Synth agents for the Institute in ANY of the various gangs. Um, why not? A strong, brave, capable fighter would be welcomed in almost any gang. He could rise up through the ranks and become leader. Then they would be in a perfect position to spy on the gangs and manipulate them as needed. Keeping them from organizing and growing too strong.

Why not Synth Supermutants? Not like THOSE guys are bright enough to slice bread on a good day. Build a synth big, strong, green and make them act dumb. When the time was right for the Institute to rise up, all of the Synth gang leaders could attack the Brotherhood and wear them down to the point that the Gen 1s and 2s can take them out.

Why aren't the Synths wearing power armor? Not like the geniuses at the Institute couldn't make some or even salvage it from the Wasteland. An army of Gen 2s in PA with good weapons would give even the Brotherhood a run for their money.

If the Institute is so all-fired smart, why is Father dying of cancer? I understand he sees Synths as tools but that's assuming they are programmed and then mature on their own. You REALLY think they wouldn't upload Father's mind into a young, healthy Gen 3? He'd rather die and leave the fate of his pet project in YOUR hands?

I have found a grand total of 16 missile launchers and nearly a hundred missiles in the few weeks of game time since I emerged from vault 111. Um...the Prydwyn looks a tad bit vulnerable up there. A few good hits (and it's kinda hard to miss) and the Brotherhood's ultimate terror base becomes a revisit of the Hindenburg.

Why no Synth agents in the Minutemen or the Railroad? We've determined that the ONLY way to detect a Synth is to kill them and rummage around looking for the mystical Synth Component. So the Institute takes out the Switchboard and they DON'T replace one of the Railroad they find there, download their brain and replace them. REALLY?

Why is Piper still alive? She blows the lid off the Mayor (or tries to) and basically keeps shining a great big old light on the Institute. When we first see her she's outside Diamond City so obviously she leave to do other things. They haven't taken her out WHY?


These are what I just came up with while sitting here. I'm sure there are many more.

Bethesda

The Institute believes in control as one of its secret objectives as its collective goal system, It's only necessary to replace humans with an indentical copy if it serves them best.

It's a waste of time and their current goal is to focus on the human anatomy, anyone that played the game long enough would know this.
Placing a human in the wasteland is the best form of cover they can get..that and the crows.

Gabriel

Human
Anatomy

Mass Production, play the game more.

Cancer never having a cure was to show the folly of The Institute, where as they're able to create all this amazing technology they're still unable to determine how to cure a terminal illness.

Static
Objects
And the fact that the hull is plated in metal, seriously play the game more

The Railroad already uses synths as agents, they'd be more than likely to find out who is one due to observing them for years.
The Brotherhood of Steel already had one: Danse, but he was never given an objective in mind by The Institute other than to learn from them.

Mayor Mcdonough under any circumstance CANNOT blow his cover, or he knows The Institute will come after him; the fact that she's locked out of the city is less conspicious and makes more sense.

And I highly doubt there are a good handful of plot holes left, if you can even call them it; just Bethesda not explaining things better, and people not getting it and posting why z is not a and why they're right.

No one knows when the real Danse was taken out. Was this ever discovered?

I have been doing so much modding this is all spoilers for me since I still have not got this far in the main story and Nuka World made me quit playing for a while.

[Frosty]

The thing though is that Syths aren't seen as the next step in human evolution. The institute doesn't seem to be at all interested in the idea of singulatrity, if anything they seem them as lesser. So someone like Father not wanting to become "lesser" by entombing himself in a synth body seems logical.

[Flippy]

Originally posted by Urah:

Originally posted by Nebuchadnezzar III:

Kellogg is a synth, Father is not your son.
The amount of BS here is legendary lol.

+1,000

Yep no contest! There must be another update coming for VR!

They have been planning for VR the whole time. The rides at Nuka World show they are adding VR content! They must be adding more content this summer at E3!!

E3 2017 is the biggest E3 ever by the way. Its going to the next lvl. No way Bethesda wont have some surprises.

Be excited for E3 2017!

[ScottyFromMarketing]

i noticed when you kill kellogg and look at a file on the computer it says that he has returned the boy, got paid, cleared fort hagen, and is now hunting the sole survivor, you know for a fact that your only a few hours behind kellogg as you have tracked him and he tries to convince you to leave as he is caught unprepared and you'd think if its all in the single entry all the events in the entry would be close together time-wise

[ScottyFromMarketing]

Originally posted by Shahadem:

I think it is pretty obvious that your kid is actually just the big vat of stem cell goo that they use to make synths. Why did they need your baby in particular? Because your baby was probably full of the stem cells they needed to grow synths. They couldn't risk using a baby from their own population as their DNA is unstable and likely to face transcription errors during mitosis. While the game doesn't present this as a problem we can assume that every person we encounter faces a drastically higher cancer risk than you do as the prolonged radiation exposure has dramatically increased the chance for mistakes to occur when cells divide in the irradiated population. Since your cells and Shaun's cells have only divided a small number of times since the bombs fell the likelihood of a problem occuring during transcription is much smaller than for those in the Institute.

So what happened to Shaun? They kidnapped him, threw him in a blender and then dumped the Shaun smoothie into the pool.

If you play your cards right you can lead Father to the pool, shoot him in the head and then dump him into the pool too. Like Father like [your] son.

100% exactly my view of the story at the moment

[Yonaga]

Lol... Stop making out to much of a Bethesda-Mainquest. The mainquests only exists to build and explain the world.

[Overheadace]

bringing back a 3 year old post

[Kreny]

Hi, if someone from this discussion is still alive - I just met Father and that guy tells me he is my son. How could son watch his father fighting mortal combats with all that ♥♥♥♥ in the wasteland and do nothing? Why he didn´t contacted me?
I read all the posts and few wrote it was some sort of test if I am good enough to overtake the Institute. What the hell? How son can test father like that?
Going to put some bullet in his head. I was full of revenge when I went there and now what?
I wish I could say him "Hi Shaun, I killed dozen of Deathclaws, hundred of Super mutants and hundreds of raiders and synths and you were just picking your nose meanwhile?! Eat it! BAM BAM BAM"

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father is your mother and kellog is your breakfast