Codsworth doesn't have Friend/Admiration talks?

[Elegant Caveman]

Haven't used him as a companion yet, but I have his affinity at 455 just from having him around Sanctuary (and I guess mostly from modding equipment while he's around).

Thought I'd try to get his Friend/250 Affinity talk before I hit Admiration/500 Affinity, not wanting to miss anything, but... he doesn't seem to have a Friend affinity dialogue?

Looking at his dialogue page[fallout.wiki] on the wiki, I'm only seeing "AdmirationToConfidant" (750 Affinity) and "ConfidantToInfatuation" (1000 Affinity)...

Considering he's not talking to me, it looks like that's not a bug, but he simply doesn't say anything special until you hit 750. Is that correct?

[wtiger27]

He does. Take him as a companion with you on your adventures. At internals of his level of affinity, he will want to talk to you.

He talks often at times when he is with you. About different things. He comments on your decisions with others.

[Elegant Caveman]

Originally posted by wtiger27:

He does. Take him as a companion with you on your adventures. At internals of his level of affinity, he will want to talk to you.

He talks often at times when he is with you. About different things. He comments on your decisions with others.

I'm not talking about random comments he makes while he's with you, I'm talking specifically about the special affinity[fallout.wiki] conversations companions have with you when you reach Friend (250 Affinity), Admiration (500 Affinity), Confidant (750 Affinity), and Infatuation (1000 Affinity).

I have the companion perks for Piper[fallout.wiki], Preston[fallout.wiki], and Deacon[fallout.wiki] (got them in that order).

Those links are to their dialogue pages. You'll notice they all have dialogue for the 4 affinity milestones ("NeutralToFriendship", "FriendshipToAdmiration", "AdmirationToConfidant", and "AdmirationToInfatuation"/"ConfidantToInfatuation").

(it seems that the 4th one for some companions are mislabeled)

Codsworth[fallout.wiki] only has the last two ("AdmirationToConfidant", and "AdmirationToInfatuation").

I did go through the 4 conversations with Piper, Preston, and Deacon, and those check out.

It's possible that the wiki is simply missing the first two for Codsworth? But that would be really strange, especially since he's (likely) the first companion one will get.

If he does have Friend and Admiration conversations, then why am I not getting them?

I tried adventuring with him while he was at 455 affinity, and there was no conversation.

Now he's at 527, because I've been building a bit in Sanctuary, and he's still not giving me a special conversation.

It really looks like his first one is at Confidant (750 affinity).

Or there's something very wrong with my game.

[RabbitRidge]

Originally posted by Elegant Caveman:

Or there's something very wrong with my game.

Could be, never had a problem reaching max affinity with Codsworth myself regardless.

For example, companions that like healing Dogmeat connected to affinity can easily be raised together as a group in the same settlement with proper visibility of the action (I feel the need to speak in terms of a lawyer these days, otherwise it's discounted or even attacked): https://steamcommunity.com/app/377160/discussions/0/492378806377501904/#c4346606879522355684

[Elegant Caveman]

Originally posted by RabbitRidge:

Originally posted by Elegant Caveman:

Or there's something very wrong with my game.

Could be, never had a problem reaching max affinity with Codsworth myself regardless.

For example, companions that like healing Dogmeat connected to affinity can easily be raised together as a group in the same settlement with proper visibility of the action (I feel the need to speak in terms of a lawyer these days, otherwise it's discounted or even attacked): https://steamcommunity.com/app/377160/discussions/0/492378806377501904/#c4346606879522355684

I have no issues raising his affinity.

I seem to be having a hard time getting my point across, apparently, as wtiger27 also seems to have misunderstood my problem.

Apologies.

Let's try again:

When you reach certain affinity levels with companions, they have a special conversations with the player.

There are usually four such conversations: one at affinity 250, one at 500, one at 750, and one at 1000.

It seems that with Codsworth, though, there are only the last two: at 750, and at 1000.

At least, according to the wiki.

When I first made this thread, Codsworth's affinity was at 455, so I should have been able to have the 250 affinity conversation with him (if he had one), but there was nothing.

After adventuring with him a bit and doing some settlement building, I raised his affinity to 527, which would normally trigger the second special conversation. Once again, there was nothing.

I made this thread asking if the wiki was correct, or if I've encountered a bug of some kind.

My personal experience fits with the wiki's information, but I find it very strange they would only give Codsworth two affinity-related conversations instead of the usual four.

[RabbitRidge]

Sounds like a distinction without a difference.

[Elegant Caveman]

Originally posted by RabbitRidge:

Sounds like a distinction without a difference.

What does?

[dtt.scanner]

Perhaps because you already have a "relationship" and trust with Codsworth, that it simply skips the first few levels of companionship. The discussions that you have with him in the beginning may actually be advancing his friendship level right from the start. Just a thought, not empirical.

[Eagle_of_Fire]

Did not play Fallout 4 for a long time... But I seem to faintly recall that you need to have done something specific before his last affinity threshold can be attained. Probably story or quest driven.

Edit: don't the wiki have information for you about this?

[DouglasGrave]

It has also been my experience that Codsworth lacks the early stages of affinity conversation common to other companions, so you don't hear much from him until later.

I agree with the suggestion that it may be because of his existing relationship with the Sole Survivor. Being their personal robot butler, it's not like they'd need to first befriend him the way they would a complete stranger.

[Elegant Caveman]

Originally posted by dtt.scanner:

Perhaps because you already have a "relationship" and trust with Codsworth, that it simply skips the first few levels of companionship. The discussions that you have with him in the beginning may actually be advancing his friendship level right from the start. Just a thought, not empirical.

Originally posted by DouglasGrave:

I agree with the suggestion that it may be because of his existing relationship with the Sole Survivor. Being their personal robot butler, it's not like they'd need to first befriend him the way they would a complete stranger.

An interesting way of looking at it, and a reason which might explain why the first two are missing.

You do start with an affinity of zero with him, I believe, but I guess one way to look at it is that the first two affinity milestones are skipped because you're "catching up from"/"making up for" those ~200 years you were gone/frozen.

That said, from what I recall of the intro, you'd not gotten Codsworth that long ago, so it's not like you had years of getting to know each other before the war.

From a purely-mechanics point of view, I was thinking that maybe they did it this specifically so that new players don't miss out on his conversations:

Considering his affinity will steadily go up just by doing stuff in Sanctuary, it would be easy for a new player to miss his special dialogue if they haven't specifically taken him as a companion, and by the time they've gotten a few other companions and raised their affinity levels with them and realized "Oh! But what about Codsworth?", it would otherwise be too late.

That's almost what happened to me, only thinking about it just as he was on the cusp of reaching Admiration, which would have made me miss out on the Friend conversation, if he had one.

It took my Codsworth a while for his affinity to go up, but I've also barely engaged with settlement building up until now, and apparently he likes that. So for someone who extensively worked on Sanctuary, I could easily see it go up considerably faster.

Originally posted by Eagle_of_Fire:

Did not play Fallout 4 for a long time... But I seem to faintly recall that you need to have done something specific before his last affinity threshold can be attained. Probably story or quest driven.

Edit: don't the wiki have information for you about this?

The wiki does have this information, yes.

A few companions do need you to do something special before you can get their perks, but not all. Codsworth is not one of them.

This thread isn't about getting his perk, though. It's about the special conversations you have with companions as you reach affinity level milestones with them. He seems to be missing the first two.

Originally posted by DouglasGrave:

It has also been my experience that Codsworth lacks the early stages of affinity conversation common to other companions, so you don't hear much from him until later.

Good to know it's not just me. I guess it's not a bug after all, and the wiki's right.

[Xenon The Noble]

Any good scrap parts in Codsworth?

[DouglasGrave]

Originally posted by Elegant Caveman:

An interesting way of looking at it, and a reason which might explain why the first two are missing.

You do start with an affinity of zero with him, I believe, but I guess one way to look at it is that the first two affinity milestones are skipped because you're "catching up from"/"making up for" those ~200 years you were gone/frozen.

That said, from what I recall of the intro, you'd not gotten Codsworth that long ago, so it's not like you had years of getting to know each other before the war.

I imagine at least part of it is from you being his registered owner, with his limited time with you pre-war, and more extensive time post-war helping to cement that initial favouritism.

Unlike Curie, no-one tinkered with his settings to allow him to develop into a more independent humanlike state, so he's basically an off-the-shelf model that's just been running for a very long time. When you think about it, it's amazing he even has an affinity rating towards us.

[Elegant Caveman]

Originally posted by DouglasGrave:

I imagine at least part of it is from you being his registered owner, with his limited time with you pre-war, and more extensive time post-war helping to cement that initial favouritism.

Unlike Curie, no-one tinkered with his settings to allow him to develop into a more independent humanlike state, so he's basically an off-the-shelf model that's just been running for a very long time. When you think about it, it's amazing he even has an affinity rating towards us.

It rather is.

And amazing he's still as sane as he is? I'm not sure how sentient Mr. Handys are, but they seem to be a fair bit.

They could have done something interesting there with a more unhinged Codsworth, but that wouldn't have worked as well as such an early encounter. Could have been interesting if you met him again later, though.

But that's partly why I was looking forward to seeing what he had to say, so it's a pity we only get two dialogues with him.