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Tarzan 2024 年 7 月 26 日 下午 8:27
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Fallout London needs a ton of work...
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I am heavily disappointed with what they call a finished mod. This mod has endless amounts of game breaking bugs, the streets feel empty, shots hardly register on enemies, the map design is absolutely terrible, an objective can be meters in front of you but you'll have to spend 5-10 minutes pointlessly looping around random junk and empty buildings on the map. I feel like I have spent nearly 10 hours doing basically nothing even though I have done a handful of quests. The worst part is this doesn't even feel like it takes place in London, a few notable monuments and UK voice actors is the only thing that reminds me of it.

The gameplay trailers they released look so much better than whats being offered, sure i sound ungrateful for something that was free, but the desire and patience I had while being so excited to play this even with the delays, was ultimately crushed today. They needed to keep this mod delayed for another couple years before releasing this. The idea "Fallout London" is great, the execution was poor.
最后由 Tarzan 编辑于; 2024 年 7 月 27 日 上午 12:13
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とうきょう 2024 年 9 月 3 日 上午 4:51 
Just forget about Fallout London already... Its not that great, it completely ruins Fallout lore and destroys your perception of how London actually is in Fallout series and when we get to the point where we finally learn about the rest of the world then you all gonna be weirding out about it... Think of Fallout London as an alt universe where the bombs fell onto UK instead of America... In Fallout Universe the whole world runs completely fine except Unites States that were nuked to oblivion by Russia and China (communists) and UK was allied with commies (accordingly to the lore) so aint no way it would be a wasteland trading tickets and having ghouls and its own mutants. All them things in Fallout are US only kind of thing and it never went past the US...

If the mod explained the story better and had no links to US then I would give it a 7/10 but since the devs were trying too hard to keep it "Fallout" then the mod is 1/10 and barely. I wanted to give it 0.5/10 actually but I did find it quite decent in some places... VA was also very bad and mute MC is the worst thing they could do...
DarkLink 2024 年 9 月 3 日 上午 5:20 
It was good for what it was. One good playthrough. Nice soundtrack, lots of new clothes, heaps of npcs. Some cool quests and a very cool ending. Awesome gangs, some really nice voice actors. Im happy I played it. Well worth the time. Minor bugs, two console commands needed for quest bugs. Thats alright imo. Remember its a fan made mod.
chakkman 2024 年 9 月 3 日 上午 5:39 
引用自 とうきょう
Just forget about Fallout London already... Its not that great, it completely ruins Fallout lore and destroys your perception of how London actually is in Fallout series and when we get to the point where we finally learn about the rest of the world then you all gonna be weirding out about it... Think of Fallout London as an alt universe where the bombs fell onto UK instead of America... In Fallout Universe the whole world runs completely fine except Unites States that were nuked to oblivion by Russia and China (communists) and UK was allied with commies (accordingly to the lore) so aint no way it would be a wasteland trading tickets and having ghouls and its own mutants. All them things in Fallout are US only kind of thing and it never went past the US...
Good points.

Although I liked Fallout: London (until severe bugs stopped my playthrough...), I understand that it definitely not canon. And, I always considered the world of Fallout as American, therefor I also was very sceptical with a scenarion in Europe.
genu 2024 年 9 月 3 日 上午 8:06 
Fallout London is one of those mod projects you better check in a couple of years when its finished.
I classified FOLON as a early beta.
chakkman 2024 年 9 月 3 日 上午 8:32 
The question is why they released it in such a state then. And that even though they postponed the released for a half a year.

Anyway, you're absolutely right. I'll check it in 2 years again, maybe they even have an installation method then which isn't a PITA.
最后由 chakkman 编辑于; 2024 年 9 月 3 日 上午 8:33
Mayer 2024 年 9 月 3 日 下午 5:27 
引用自 とうきょう
Just forget about Fallout London already... Its not that great, it completely ruins Fallout lore and destroys your perception of how London actually is in Fallout series and when we get to the point where we finally learn about the rest of the world then you all gonna be weirding out about it... Think of Fallout London as an alt universe where the bombs fell onto UK instead of America... In Fallout Universe the whole world runs completely fine except Unites States that were nuked to oblivion by Russia and China (communists) and UK was allied with commies (accordingly to the lore) so aint no way it would be a wasteland trading tickets and having ghouls and its own mutants. All them things in Fallout are US only kind of thing and it never went past the US...
You are a tourist and don't know the Fallout lore.
The Resource Wars and the dissolution of the European Commonwealth have been a part of the lore since Fallout 1 from Interplay entertainment. The Great War was the result of a global energy crisis, the nuclear hellfire destroyed the whole world.

Fallout 1 intro:
In the 21st century, war was still waged over the resources that could be acquired. Only this time, the spoils of war were also its weapons: Petroleum and Uranium. For these resources, China would invade Alaska, the US would annex Canada, and the European Commonwealth would dissolve into quarreling, bickering nation-states, bent on controlling the last remaining resources on Earth.

In 2077, the storm of world war had come again. In two brief hours, most of the planet was reduced to cinders. And from the ashes of nuclear devastation, a new civilization would struggle to arise.

Fallout 2 intro:
The end of the world occurred pretty much as we had predicted. Too many humans, not enough space or resources to go around. The details are trivial and pointless, the reasons, as always, purely human ones.

The earth was nearly wiped clean of life. A great cleansing, an atomic spark struck by human hands, quickly raged out of control. Spears of nuclear fire rained from the skies. Continents were swallowed in flames and fell beneath the boiling oceans. Humanity was almost extinguished, their spirits becoming part of the background radiation that blanketed the earth.
最后由 Mayer 编辑于; 2024 年 9 月 3 日 下午 5:28
Lord Nighthawk 2024 年 9 月 3 日 下午 5:34 
引用自 chakkman
And they're totally different games.

Fallout London is also better than Football Manager 2024, by the way.

And this is supposed to be a clever response? Same franchise, same universe, same country, same but expanded equipment but everything remains the same. Only difference: some other players roam the same map with you, mostly it´s still soloplay cause there is no advantage in playing the easy queststuff with multiple persons.

引用自 chakkman
Good points.

Although I liked Fallout: London (until severe bugs stopped my playthrough...), I understand that it definitely not canon. And, I always considered the world of Fallout as American, therefor I also was very sceptical with a scenarion in Europe.

Good points? Not really. Dictatorship countries never like democratic countries as those put their leadership in danger, this is how things are. There is no direct mentioning in the timeline/lore of fallout but as you see today russia instantly started also blaming the european union as well as the nato. China has it´s feet still as they rely on trading, if they would continue support russia other countries would start to also block china from trading and then you would start to have a situation that gets a lot closer to the fallout universe - democratic countries versus dictatorship countries - not yet about resources but about territory and money.
The only reason america was chosen for the setting was as the creators had easy access to the retro-futuristic material they required for making the look for the fallout 1 setting. The resource wars hit all countries, it´s just that the deeper explanation and informations for external of america are not described in detail but mentioned in the Fallout 1 and Fallout 2 intros.

引用自 m662
I do not count Fallout 76 with this for the simple reason I specified in the criteria I used.

"I had more progress breaking issues that I needed to fix with console or mods than I had in a decade on all Bethesda games."

If we also count unfixable things, then yes, 76 is by far the worst released Bethesda game and worse than London launch can ever be.

No need to get sharp. I also worked on a big serverfarm some years ago when i was still in my job and i nowhere stated you would hack. Your response said "on all Bethesda games" so i did not see the need to exclude fallout 76 cause you wrote console/mods use before making that statement. It´s ambigous when you read it and i took the wrong choice. Charisma too low on my side maybe. Or perception.

引用自 Mayer
Lot´s of text

Absolutely correct. Problem is that most people only have eaten the lore bethesda gave them but don´t know about the pre-existing lore that already got mentioned in fallout 1 and 2. Just because bethesda does not mention it does not mean it does not exist.
最后由 Lord Nighthawk 编辑于; 2024 年 9 月 3 日 下午 6:04
Mayer 2024 年 9 月 3 日 下午 6:08 
Any MAD scenario would be a nuclear exchange between East and West.
Russia's policy allows nuclear retaliation when the homeland is threatened by an invader. China has a strict no-first use policy of nuclear weapons.

The USA on the other hand has no self-imposed restrictions on the use of nuclear weapons and the president of the United States of America has the ability to start a nuclear war at a moment's notice, defending freedom against tyranny with nuclear armageddon.
The USA has military bases in 80 different countries which will become targets in a retaliatory strike, the USA is a global superpower and will drag in all its Allies.
Lord Nighthawk 2024 年 9 月 3 日 下午 6:19 
I know that, i live in a europe country where the usa still have lots stuff stationed (even they significally reduced the amounts of smaller personel bases in the early 90s after the sowjet union collapsed).

I know that china has a strict no-first-use policy but i don´t know how much that is worth if the regime gets under very hard pressure. Well, currently they just try to stay on their own as business is the key to keep their regime alive and happy. And i also see no chance that russia could change that. Things will keep evolving.

But we should stop here, too deep real-politic stuff might trigger the moderators and i don´t want that. It was just the try to explain situations.
最后由 Lord Nighthawk 编辑于; 2024 年 9 月 3 日 下午 6:20
m662 2024 年 9 月 3 日 下午 6:46 
引用自 Lord Nighthawk
No need to get sharp. I also worked on a big serverfarm some years ago when i was still in my job and i nowhere stated you would hack. Your response said "on all Bethesda games" so i did not see the need to exclude fallout 76 cause you wrote console/mods use before making that statement. It´s ambigous when you read it and i took the wrong choice. Charisma too low on my side maybe. Or perception.
Was not meant to be sharp just to show my stance on it.
And yes rereading it I can see how that may be seen as ambiguous so I will take that into consideration next time. Thank you for pointing it out.

Would not call that a charisma or perception check failure on your end, that is absolutely a perception check failure on mine.
最后由 m662 编辑于; 2024 年 9 月 3 日 下午 6:46
♥♥♥♥♥♥♥, who started the war in the replies?
🐠🍑 2024 年 9 月 4 日 上午 3:32 
♥♥♥♥♥♥♥, who started the war in the replies?
War? War never changes
chakkman 2024 年 9 月 4 日 上午 5:37 
引用自 Lord Nighthawk
引用自 chakkman
And they're totally different games.

Fallout London is also better than Football Manager 2024, by the way.

And this is supposed to be a clever response? Same franchise, same universe, same country, same but expanded equipment but everything remains the same. Only difference: some other players roam the same map with you, mostly it´s still soloplay cause there is no advantage in playing the easy queststuff with multiple persons.
We were talking about Starfield vs. Fallout London. Genius.
最后由 chakkman 编辑于; 2024 年 9 月 4 日 上午 5:38
Lord Nighthawk 2024 年 9 月 4 日 上午 5:43 
引用自 chakkman
We were talking about Starfield vs. Fallout London. Genius.

Starfield is the absolute same type and style of writing as bethesda did in fallout 4. There is absolute no difference, again a linear progressive (boring) rpg. Do you require rpgs to take place in "space" to be capable to compare them or what?
最后由 Lord Nighthawk 编辑于; 2024 年 9 月 4 日 上午 5:44
chakkman 2024 年 9 月 4 日 上午 6:48 
No, but, maybe we should stick to comparing apples with apples, not oranges.

And, what I always miss in such comparison is a lack of the gift horse attitude as well. Don't get me wrong, Fallout London is really amazing for a mod, but, let's also be honest that, in regards to bugs and balancing, it's not comparable with a professional commercial production.

Actually, if Bethesda would have released something that broken, with game breaking bugs, there would be a ♥♥♥♥ storm for years.
最后由 chakkman 编辑于; 2024 年 9 月 4 日 上午 6:49
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