New Update/ Enclave addition

[El Presidente]

So they will finaly add the Enclave back in. And yet again they are portrait as evil and the bad guys but hear me out:

They have Vision for the Future.
They Are trying to rid the world of Mutation and reinstate Humanity to a geneticly pure state
They have advanced technology
They have Pre War knowledge
They are basicly the most legitimate successor to the US in the Universe
They are activly trying to advance science and Knowledge

If the Player would not have fiddled with their Plans:

The Capital wasteland would be mutant free and safe for a proper resettlement
The Raiders and Ghouls would have been dealt with as well as the Legion
We would be at a Power struggle between the Enclave and the Brotherhood (Wich is a fanatic cult if we are honest)
It is quite possible that we could have propper Settlements and Citys with the spirit and customs of pre war america and activated GECKS

In Conclusion: The Player is actualy the Evil one in the Universe. We basicly screwed the whole nation over because of some Ghouls and Wastelanders we met on the way and found pleasant and/or our Father.

Fallout 5 Playbale Enclave. Make it happen!

[Zekiran]

It would have become the fascist state that you've always dreamed of, then. Gotcha.

No I am not looking forward to yet another batch of angry fools in power armor in my game. I played 3 and nv enough for these guys. They're done, they should have stayed done.

[Q]

Nah, they were totally insane

they wanted to kill everyone on the surface, then infect project purity and kill pretty much everything in the capital wasteland.

[DouglasGrave]

Why would they be trying to wipe out ghouls if they're after genetic purity? Ghouls are still completely normal humans, genetically speaking.

[Kamikaze$X-GEN$]

yeah while I find their methods ruthless I actually really want to support their efforts. But only if they are democratic and not end up some kind of dictatorship.

[El Presidente]

Originally posted by DouglasGrave:

Why would they be trying to wipe out ghouls if they're after genetic purity? Ghouls are still completely normal humans, genetically speaking.

Well the Ghouls are heavyly irradiated. Thus posing a threat to the clean new start. besides that, the look like zombies and the Enclave is having non of that. Ghouls are a product of the Bombs and the Apocalypse. The Enclave is basicly trying to get things back to how they were before.... or more like better then before. The ressource scarcity was a major problem and they will have to fix this in some way.

[El Presidente]

Originally posted by He-Man:

Nah, they were totally insane

they wanted to kill everyone on the surface, then infect project purity and kill pretty much everything in the capital wasteland.

Desperate Situations call for desperate messures. And if you look at it from their perspective: In order to renovate a home you first need to get rid of the pests. And for the Enclave that includes, Raiders, Wastelanders (irradiation), Ghouls, Mutants and it goes on. Terrible right?

But: They have the technology to repopulate the area. We have seen what their scientists are capeable of. I think cloned pre war animals are not to much of a stretch. Also i am pretty sure they are either capeable of pruducing GECKs or got their Hands on some. All you need to do then is to intruduce your unirradiated people into the Capital Wasteland and reclaim what is yours. And you can be quite certain that you got every single mutant before with no nasty surprises. sounds like a plan to me.

[Stardustfire]

@El you shoud play FO2 , because than you recognice Enclave where the ones who planned the escalation that the bombs get droped for all this irradiation in the first place, together with Vaultec....

[steventirey]

Originally posted by DouglasGrave:

Why would they be trying to wipe out ghouls if they're after genetic purity? Ghouls are still completely normal humans, genetically speaking.

Radiation damages DNA, which is why FEV can't transform ghouls. Ghouls are not genetically pure. The Enclave were willing to wipe everyone out in Fallout 3, even the humans on the surface, to achieve that genetic purity. Any form of mutation was not acceptable.

To the Enclave, or at least the group from Fallout 3, the only pure humans are Enclave personnel and those raised their entire lives in Vaults.

[El Presidente]

Originally posted by Stardustfire:

@El you shoud play FO2 , because than you recognice Enclave where the ones who planned the escalation that the bombs get droped for all this irradiation in the first place, together with Vaultec....

And we could argue about who was the driving force here: Vault Tec or The Enclave?

Vault Tec was shown in the Series (Wich is to be considered Canon as far as i understand) to be the Group behind it all. They invited all the other big players to a conference and let them know about their plans. And they all supported them for their own reasons. You could argue that the enclave would have been stupid to not go along with it as they would most likely not have been able to prevent it. Better be on the ship then to be in the Water.

[DouglasGrave]

Originally posted by steventirey:

Originally posted by DouglasGrave:

Why would they be trying to wipe out ghouls if they're after genetic purity? Ghouls are still completely normal humans, genetically speaking.

Radiation damages DNA, which is why FEV can't transform ghouls. Ghouls are not genetically pure.

They suffer radiation damage in the process of becoming ghouls, but that's different to them being mutants, and here the purity was stated as a desire to remove mutations, not just people with genetic damage.

[Stardustfire]

@EL Looking at the Startvideo from FO2 shoud say enove, little hint, the bigger Armored guy is the PRESIDENTS bodyguard (a real human presiddent, not a PC like in FO3) , and hey they wipe out Vault residents. best thing to do for a pure preserved start, right?
problem is that with FO3 and onwards Bugthesda bent and break the lore to fit in more trash with each new FO Game.

[El Presidente]

Originally posted by Stardustfire:

@EL Looking at the Startvideo from FO2 shoud say enove, little hint, the bigger Armored guy is the PRESIDENTS bodyguard (a real human presiddent, not a PC like in FO3) , and hey they wipe out Vault residents. best thing to do for a pure preserved start, right?

Well wiping out Vault residents doesnt seem so evil if you consider the experiements in most vaults and the state of most vault dwellers. Also considering the role of Vault Tec in all of this, it would only make sense for the enclave to try and get rid of them, now that they got the chance. Unlike before, now they have all the means to crush them. For the Enclave it would make sense to only trust their supply of people in what i assume to be controle vaults And other controle Vaults with 0 Vault Tec personal inside.

For the risk of inbreeding: I guess the Scientist could at this point basicly "Design" Humans at the fetal state. The would be able to adjust the genetic matiral to either be healthy or to be diverse enough to not pose a risk.

[Jack Jester]

For me the enclave is not evil. If I had the choice, I would choose the Enclave... or "European Commonwealth"...

Did you know that PK12 Gauss Pistole, M72 Gaussrifle and MP9 10mm SMG comes from Europe?

Germany:
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Donau-Steel=9mm Ammo

[Majestic-Casual™]

Originally posted by El Presidente:

So they will finaly add the Enclave back in. And yet again they are portrait as evil and the bad guys but hear me out:

They have Vision for the Future.
They Are trying to rid the world of Mutation and reinstate Humanity to a geneticly pure state
They have advanced technology
They have Pre War knowledge
They are basicly the most legitimate successor to the US in the Universe
They are activly trying to advance science and Knowledge

If the Player would not have fiddled with their Plans:

The Capital wasteland would be mutant free and safe for a proper resettlement
The Raiders and Ghouls would have been dealt with as well as the Legion
We would be at a Power struggle between the Enclave and the Brotherhood (Wich is a fanatic cult if we are honest)
It is quite possible that we could have propper Settlements and Citys with the spirit and customs of pre war america and activated GECKS

In Conclusion: The Player is actualy the Evil one in the Universe. We basicly screwed the whole nation over because of some Ghouls and Wastelanders we met on the way and found pleasant and/or our Father.

Fallout 5 Playbale Enclave. Make it happen!

Yes I agree. I think the Enclave being the go-to bad guys always is kinda stupid. There's more too them then just "Enclave bad!". I always thought the player character in FO4 would be a perfect candidate to join the Enclave or restore it. Since our character is pure and pre-war with military experience. Could've been like a quest line like restoring the Blades in Skyrim. Who I considered to be extremist in Skyrim.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FIkM675UI3Y

[TheHellKat]

Correct me if I'm wrong, but wasn't the enclave basically the top execs of vault tec and their partners?

Didn't they, ya know, invent the FEV and create them mutants....

The Brotherhood is the group that wants to eliminate all mutants, the enclave wants to experiment on them.