An honest question about the TV show and why people hate it

[MonkeyMummyMoney]

Before people come in here and say "CuZ tHeY mAn BaBbIeS!" That's good, Jimmy! I'll be sure to put that on the fridge and give you a nice golden smiley face for your Good Boy Chart.

For people who aren't terminally online and can actually think more then two seconds: I have my theories. DIE stuff is certainly annoying to some, but from what I've gathered the show isn't all that terrible when it comes to it. I've seen Right-Wing Youtubers defending the show, so that at the very least says something. If they aren't bothered by it, it means it's probably not important. Most likely just there because SAG and WGA require some amount of pandering to Minorities even if it makes absolutely no logical sense.

I think it's more fear of what can happen. I don't think the people who are against the show are terrible human beings and "Literal Nazis" (I've actually seen that said.) Fallout is something these people are obviously passionate about and I don't think them strange for having that passion. I see people who care about something being called "Man/Woman Babies" all the time and there are certainly situations where it's warranted, but the overwhelming majority of the time it just seems like you're ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ on people for liking something. I hate to say it because of how cliched it is, but that entire mentality is peak 2024. Nothing truly matters to people anymore. Tolkien had a lot of passion for his work and it showed, not that I'm comparing Fallout to Middlearth under any circumstance. Eat your heart out Emal, you are not anywhere near close to that level nor do I think you have the potential to ever be Mr.Lets-water-everything-down-cause-shareholders, But still. The greatest works of art all come from people who had a passion for their craft. They weren't made by some random Jabronis that were half-assing the whole thing and doing everything for the irony of it.

But to get back on topic, I think there is a fear that what they know will be changed to appease a completely different audience. That fear, I think, is certainly warranted. How many times have niche things been picked up, watered down and heavily warped to appeal to the masses? It happened with Star-Wars, Star-Trek, LOTR, DnD, The list goes on. Gate-Keeping in the face of Modern Corporations is a very healthy attitude, I feel it probably always was. Not that I'm advocating for turning away new people, but the object of fixation should never be shaped around that new audience. They are the outsiders, it's up to them if they like what they see.

It used to be taught in Business school that it's always, always, always more lucrative to sell to your existing customers then to try and market a new one. Why these big corporations don't seem to understand that I will never understand. Maybe when you're trading stocks on a Global Market the rules are a little different? I can't imagine that's true but I'm also no business man.

To the outsiders who are looking in at the existing fans who are... for example, upset over the "Retcon Drama" I really think you should listen to what they are saying and approach Amazon and Bugthesda themselves with some degree of skepticism. In the case of Amazon, Rings of Power already establishes they have a bad track record and Bugthesda is kind of infamous for constantly changing things.

That's not to say the old fans are completely right, but... there is enough evidence here to at least listen to them. Where it seems like, at least to my perspective, mostly just the new-comers mocking them and calling them nerds.

The "Nerd" thing specifically is what bothers me the most. You're basically looking directly into a mirror and refusing to accept what is looking back at you.

I'd also be skeptical of the Youtubers, but I think for most people that goes without saying. IF someone's content revolves around Bugthesda products or they never really give bad reviews for anything, that alone should tell you they may not be the most unbiased of sources. It's like when Jeff Gertsmen at Giant Bomb wrote a scathing review of Fallout 76, you had the shills over at IGN in a room with nothing but Fallout Merch, one of the IGN reviewers had a big ass replica Pip-Boy on his arm, in which they all proceeded to mock his credentials for not liking the game they were very obviously being paid to praise. The only way they could have be more transparent is if Todd himself was present and giving them cash for every positive word they said about the game.

[Nitemares]

Początkowo opublikowane przez wtiger27:

I like what I like and dislike what I don't. I liked the TV series. I don't care who does not like it.

When I watched it, I had one important thing I wanted to see the show do. Capture the theme of Fallout 4. They accomplished that very well for me.

That's the attitude to have.

[Iggy Wolf]

I think when it comes to TV shows, even a show faithful to the lore is bound to break canon in some way. What matters more is that it's consistent with the lore already present in source material. That's why Halo was bad. The show deciding to do its own thing wasn't the problem (at least, if it simply told a different story than the ones in games, while still sticking to proper lore), it's that it ignored any and all lore material that defined and established the role of certain factions and characters and what their purpose is in the greater universe.

I mean, MC taking off his helmet and his ass cheeks being visible and him ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ a human Covenant collaborator was the LEAST offensive part of the show if you can believe that. There's probably more but I never bothered to watch it because of how insulting it is to the Halo universe. Fallout at least respected the source material, even if it told its own story.

[Cor.]

Początkowo opublikowane przez Iggy Wolf:

I think when it comes to TV shows, it even a show faithful to the more is bound to break canon in some way. What matters more is that it's consistent with the lore already present in source material. That's why Halo was bad. The show deciding to do its own thing wasn't the problem (at least, if it simply told a different story than the ones in games, while still sticking to proper lore), it's that it ignored any and all lore material that defined and established the role of certain factions and characters and what their purpose is in the greater universe.

I mean, MC taking off his helmet and his ass cheeks being visible and him ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ a human Covenant collaborator was the LEAST offense part of the show if you can believe that. There's probably more but I never bothered to watch it because of how insulting it is to try Halo universe. Fallout at least respected the source material, even if it told its own story.

I believe the term is "Artistic flair"

DC and Marvel are being destroyed by it.

I was surprised how Fallout did. I was really thinking it would go off the rails

[Nitemares]

The issue with a TV show or Movie being based off of a game comes in a few forms.
The first is that budgets (until recently) just wouldn't let you do a 1:1 copy of a game.

The other is that the game story has already been told.. by the game. So there is less reason for people to watch it, as they have seen that story already.

The other problem is TV shows and movies have to appeal to people other than the gamers... or it will not make money and get views. (or, vice versa). So you have to figure out a way to tell a new story while keeping the FANs of the original property happy, AND attract people who are not gamers.

As a big Fallout Nerd, and somewhat of a "Lore Puritan", I actually liked the Fallout show.

YES, there were some Lore breaking things, and some things l just rolled my eyes at...

But as a stand alone property, I thought it was well acted, fair to the Lore, well shot and choreographed. It's a great vehicle to get new blood into the Fallout Mythos and games.

And it seems to have worked.

[GunBoat]

An "honest question" without actually asking any question even though it is clear that Fallout the show beat out all Netflix shows by a long shot and did it with a massively smaller subscription base. Turns out the show and games are top notch and have passed the test of time. Literally millions can't wait for season 2 and the next game version.

[Cor.]

Początkowo opublikowane przez GunBoat:

An "honest question" without actually asking any question even though it is clear that Fallout the show beat out all Netflix shows by a long shot and did it with a massively smaller subscription base. Turns out the show and games are top notch and have passed the test of time. Literally millions can't wait for season 2 and the next game version.

After how the last episode for S1 ended, Wife and I are REALLY wanting S2 to drop.

[Iggy Wolf]

Początkowo opublikowane przez Cor.:

I believe the term is "Artistic flair"

DC and Marvel are being destroyed by it.

I was surprised how Fallout did. I was really thinking it would go off the rails

It could have, but these shows also try to appeal to a general and broader audience, not just the fans. And it's surprisingly refreshing that Fallout achieved that as well, since it means that even without prior knowledge of the games, the general audiences found the character development, backstory, and mystery/suspense to be interesting enough on its own merits to warrant a Season 2.

Which is how you do a show right. Whether you're adapting an existing source material or writing a completely new story and universe, you should still make sure it's interesting enough that audiences ask for more. It's what I liked about Euphoria for example. And Black Mirror.

[Cor.]

Początkowo opublikowane przez Iggy Wolf:

Początkowo opublikowane przez Cor.:

I believe the term is "Artistic flair"

DC and Marvel are being destroyed by it.

I was surprised how Fallout did. I was really thinking it would go off the rails

It could have, but these shows also try to appeal to a general and broader audience, not just the fans. And it's surprisingly refreshing that Fallout achieved that as well, since it means that even without prior knowledge of the games, the general audiences found the character development, backstory, and mystery/suspense to be interesting enough on its own merits to warrant a Season 2.

Which is how you do a show right. Whether you're adapting an existing source material or writing a completely new story and universe, you should still make sure it's interesting enough that audiences ask for more. It's what I liked about Euphoria for example. And Black Mirror.

Fallout tv show didnt do that. They stuck with what the games have rather well. If you take Marvel's "Infinity garbage" They butchered it, badly. Along with Days of Future Past.

Fallout TV show was good because they didnt go off the rails.

[alex010300]

The TV Show made the Fallout Franchise better, the enclave didn’t really died, Vault tec started the Great War, Roger Maxson’s Organization is trying to rebuild America without the people who destroyed it as much as it can, post war barbaric civilizations are still there and it looks like the BOS has their work cut out with them, mutated creatures are still around but are being wiped out by the BOS and a dump major faction that most outsiders hate that is going to implode if Vault Tec did nothing is gone.

Seriously the NCR days are numbered the moment Bethesda considers the BOS is better at restoring America/the world than the NCR will ever be.

[Xenon The Noble]

Początkowo opublikowane przez alex010300:

The TV Show made the Fallout Franchise better, the enclave didn’t really died, Vault tec started the Great War, Roger Maxson’s Organization is trying to rebuild America without the people who destroyed it as much as it can, post war barbaric civilizations are still there and it looks like the BOS has their work cut out with them, mutated creatures are still around but are being wiped out by the BOS and a dump major faction that most outsiders hate that is going to implode if Vault Tec did nothing is gone.

Seriously the NCR days are numbered the moment Bethesda considers the BOS is better at restoring America/the world than the NCR will ever be.

Arthur Maxson did the exact opposite of "rebuild America". He shut Lyons down to get the disgruntled America haters back into the ranks.

[Good Old Jim]

I ain't reading all that

Happy for you tho

or sorry that happened.

[alex010300]

Początkowo opublikowane przez Xenon The Noble:

Początkowo opublikowane przez alex010300:

The TV Show made the Fallout Franchise better, the enclave didn’t really died, Vault tec started the Great War, Roger Maxson’s Organization is trying to rebuild America without the people who destroyed it as much as it can, post war barbaric civilizations are still there and it looks like the BOS has their work cut out with them, mutated creatures are still around but are being wiped out by the BOS and a dump major faction that most outsiders hate that is going to implode if Vault Tec did nothing is gone.

Seriously the NCR days are numbered the moment Bethesda considers the BOS is better at restoring America/the world than the NCR will ever be.

Arthur Maxson did the exact opposite of "rebuild America". He shut Lyons down to get the disgruntled America haters back into the ranks.

He didn’t, he still does open recruitment and told the outcast it’s either his way or they get shot. The BOS is just no longer doing things for free and wants to have concessions when they protect a settlement.

[DouglasGrave]

Początkowo opublikowane przez Sofi:

I critiqued the Ghoul because ghouls, as far as I knew, didn't need some compound to keep them from going feral. But without something like that, I guess a "Ghoul" character really has no hook to their story or imminent danger to their condition. I let it slide.

I saw that more as an additional option to avoid becoming feral, rather than an additional requirement.

It's always been only a minority of ghouls that end up permanently stable (most aren't lucky and eventually go feral), while the chem in the show appears to be something that can hold off mental degeneration in any ghoul. So it's not that stable ghouls like Daisy or Oswald the Outrageous would suddenly need a chem, but that there's a new way to stay sane for all the other ghouls.

[Bored Peon]

Początkowo opublikowane przez Sofi:

I critiqued the Ghoul because ghouls, as far as I knew, didn't need some compound to keep them from going feral. But without something like that, I guess a "Ghoul" character really has no hook to their story or imminent danger to their condition. I let it slide.

Well Fallout 4 had already established there was multiple ways to become a ghoul. Too much radiation or an experimental drug like what Eddie Winter took. Although Bethesda could have gone form "everyone becomes a ghoul" to "need the drug to be a ghoul." Although Cooper does mention exposure at one point, so who knows, I think Bethesda flips a coin to see what lore thye follow.

From what we seen in the show it looks like those who did it with a drug developed a dependency on it (typical big pharma.) We even saw the squire take the drug to mend his foot. So that means lot of the ghouls are based on the drug.

[DouglasGrave]

Początkowo opublikowane przez Bored Peon:

Początkowo opublikowane przez Sofi:

I critiqued the Ghoul because ghouls, as far as I knew, didn't need some compound to keep them from going feral. But without something like that, I guess a "Ghoul" character really has no hook to their story or imminent danger to their condition. I let it slide.

Well Fallout 4 had already established there was multiple ways to become a ghoul. Too much radiation or an experimental drug like what Eddie Winter took. Although Bethesda could have gone form "everyone becomes a ghoul" to "need the drug to be a ghoul." Although Cooper does mention exposure at one point, so who knows, I think Bethesda flips a coin to see what lore thye follow.

From what we seen in the show it looks like those who did it with a drug developed a dependency on it (typical big pharma.) We even saw the squire take the drug to mend his foot. So that means lot of the ghouls are based on the drug.

We don't really see enough ghouls to know much for certain except that the mind-stabilizing chem is available in their area and can hold off the feral state.

Thaddeus (the squire) is the only person we see ghoulified by a chem, while the others are unknown, but it's implied by his dialogue with Lucy that Cooper (The Ghoul) changed just from radiation exposure.