nextgen without DLSS and FSR? wtf

[darkjairo29]

They did not include climbers in the so-called nextgen, which is ridiculous... and even worse, they ruined the climber mod that was previously available for this game, it no longer works...

[Thermal Lance]

The game, vanilla, isn't even MADE to run beyond 60FPS. What would you need FSR and DLSS for?

[darkjairo29]

Originally posted by Thermal Lance:

The game, vanilla, isn't even MADE to run beyond 60FPS. What would you need FSR and DLSS for?

My RTX 4070 Ti card, all in ultra and 4K HDR, has drops in certain areas that do not maintain a constant 60fps, it drops to 45fps... so if mine can't maintain 60fps in all places, I can't imagine. the lower ones in 4K ultra, or the game is *** optimized or it is not optimized exclusively with the RTX 4000 series, but I think that with DLSS it should not go below 60 in any scenario, I have an average of 100 fps, but those drops fps takes away all the immersion of the game.

Quite apart, they ruined the dlss mod since it was made for a lower version of the game and currently it doesn't work, I haven't played fallout in ages but I decided to play it again and this happens...

[sdack]

Originally posted by Thermal Lance:

The game, vanilla, isn't even MADE to run beyond 60FPS. What would you need FSR and DLSS for?

^ This.

DLSS only helps with games that utilise the GPU to 100%. Fallout 4 however does not. It is stuck at a memory bottleneck created by its game data. You can check this with a performance overlay. CPU and GPU utilisation drops together with the frame rate, because the game is making unnecessary memory look-ups and is stalled by it. Fast DDR4 and DDR5 as well as AMD's X3D CPUs have fast memory and these get better minimum frame rates. DLSS will not help here.

If you want to utilise your GPU better then enable DLDSR, which works nicely. It is not DLSS, but your GPU will use deep-learning to create better images.

[darkjairo29]

Originally posted by sdack:

Originally posted by Thermal Lance:

The game, vanilla, isn't even MADE to run beyond 60FPS. What would you need FSR and DLSS for?

^ This.

DLSS only helps with games that utilise the GPU to 100%. Fallout 4 however does not. It is stuck at a memory bottleneck created by its game data. You can check this with a performance overlay. CPU and GPU utilisation drops together with the frame rate, because the game is making unnecessary memory look-ups and is stalled by it. Fast DDR4 and DDR5 as well as AMD's X3D CPUs have fast memory and these get better minimum frame rates. DLSS will not help here.

If you want to utilise your GPU better then enable DLDSR, which works nicely. It is not DLSS, but your GPU will use deep-learning to create better images.

And how is DLDSR enabled, since this option does not exist on my nvidia panel, I use an i7 13700k, ddr5 32gb, SSD 990 Pro 2tb Samsung

but logically if I have more fps with dlss or fsr the drop will no longer be 45fps, but maybe it will have 60fps is what I think, then if I lock it at 60 and I have no drop then it should be smooth as butter, but when I lock currently at 60 and it drops to 45, nothing fluid is seen there and it is a problem

[sdack]

Originally posted by darkjairo29:

And how is DLDSR enabled, since this option does not exist on my nvidia panel, I use an i7 13700k, ddr5 32gb, SSD 990 Pro 2tb Samsung

but logically if I have more fps with dlss or fsr the drop will no longer be 45fps, but maybe it will have 60fps is what I think, then if I lock it at 60 and I have no drop then it should be smooth as butter, but when I lock currently at 60 and it drops to 45, nothing fluid is seen there and it is a problem

Check the 3D settings in the control panel. It has a setting for DSR factors where it now also lists the DLDSR factors. Avoid the legacy DSR, because it just eats performance. Select a DLDSR factor, i.e. 1.78x, note the resolution behind the factor, then run the game's launcher again and it will show you the new added resolution for DLDSR. Then simply select the DLDSR resolution.

You can also use GeForce Experience, or the NVIDIA App (still in beta, I think), to set resolutions. The new and upcoming NVIDIA App combines GeForce Experience with the Control Panel, and runs smoother, too. If you have not checked it out yet it is worth a look.

The drop in frame rate will happen with DLSS, too. Like I said is the game waiting on the memory and simply does not produce frames fast enough. You GPU can do more, but it simply does not get more draw calls from the game. DLSS will not change that.

[darkjairo29]

Originally posted by sdack:

Originally posted by darkjairo29:

And how is DLDSR enabled, since this option does not exist on my nvidia panel, I use an i7 13700k, ddr5 32gb, SSD 990 Pro 2tb Samsung

but logically if I have more fps with dlss or fsr the drop will no longer be 45fps, but maybe it will have 60fps is what I think, then if I lock it at 60 and I have no drop then it should be smooth as butter, but when I lock currently at 60 and it drops to 45, nothing fluid is seen there and it is a problem

Check the 3D settings in the control panel. It has a setting for DSR factors where it now also lists the DLDSR factors. Avoid the legacy DSR, because it just eats performance. Select a DLDSR factor, i.e. 1.78x, note the resolution behind the factor, then run the game's launcher again and it will show you the new added resolution for DLDSR. Then simply select the DLDSR resolution.

You can also use GeForce Experience, or the NVIDIA App (still in beta, I think), to set resolutions. The new and upcoming NVIDIA App combines GeForce Experience with the Control Panel, and runs smoother, too. If you have not checked it out yet it is worth a look.

The drop in frame rate will happen with DLSS, too. Like I said is the game waiting on the memory and simply does not produce frames fast enough. You GPU can do more, but it simply does not get more draw calls from the game. DLSS will not change that.

The RTX 4090 has more fps than mine on average and its drop does not go down like mine, it is much better, it means that if I have more fps I will have less drop.... there is no DLDSR for the RTX 4000 series + 4k HDR Monitor I think bro...

[Rocky Jet]

Next gen is for the consoles. Some of you need to read the dev stuff before posting or assuming things.

[Dr.Abscondus]

Behind every conflict in human history you will find an assumption.

[darkjairo29]

I have just seen various gameplays videos on YouTube of RTX 2080, RTX 2080 Super and Ti cards that are old, but in Fallout 4 they perform stably without dropframes above 100fps, and i having an RTX 4070 Ti I cannot maintain 60fps in all areas , although my average fps is 100, the drops in specific areas are brutal, they drop at 45fps... it seems like a joke to me...

[Alio]

DLSS and FSR are a joke anyways. You don't need them, shouldn't be using them, and if you do then you you need to downgrade your monitor or upgrade your hardware anyways. They won't help the bad optimization the game has, you can put your settings on low and still see the performance drops. It is an engine/API limitation, not hardware.

The main culprit for performance drops is Godrays and Shadow Distance. In downtown Boston, the performance drops come from poor optimization in drawcalls, which when exceeding the API limitation cause massive performance drops.

You can use some mods to address these issues, but those same mods will cause other issues like additional microstutters and instability. For example, many people report having a stable vanilla experience with no crashing, and the unofficial patch alone causes their game to crash regularly.

While there are a lot of demanding areas, most of them tend to be in a very small section of downtown Boston with Godrays set to High. If you use Ultra godrays then you will find many areas of the game that won't hold a stable 60fps even on the best hardware.

On my i9-10850k/3070, I play at 1440p Ultra + HBAO+, Godrays High. 95% of the game stays locked to 60, it's just that particular area in downtown Boston that dips into the 40's. Not a big deal as you won't be spending much time here anyways.

[loimulohi se polskii mahassa]

if you want to have a good fps with 4K, you need to turn off god rays, with console or ini file or fix it with mod, it aint optimized at all with 2k and 4k, 1080p can run vanilla god rays

[Vimes]

I am aware of the number of texture mods and eye candy that I have added to my game, I'm fine with that.
I run at 4k with a 4080.
I have used the Nvidia App and let it optimise the game, it seems to do as decent job.
I have used RTSS to limit the FPS to 80, I did have it at 90.
My monitor is 165hz capable.

The game runs fine and, by limiting the fps to 80, the GPU load seems, so far, to be reasonable and so cool enough to be quiet.

I'll see, as the game progresses, how that holds up.

As a side note the filters within the Nvidia APP are interesting, as they can be applied, like an overlay, to this game. They can provide some interesting combinations of colour etc....

[darkjairo29]

Originally posted by Never should have come here:

if you want to have a good fps with 4K, you need to turn off god rays, with console or ini file or fix it with mod, it aint optimized at all with 2k and 4k, 1080p can run vanilla god rays

Is God Rays a game option or a mod? because the only mod I have is the high phyxs

[EricHVela]

Originally posted by darkjairo29:

Originally posted by Never should have come here:

if you want to have a good fps with 4K, you need to turn off god rays, with console or ini file or fix it with mod, it aint optimized at all with 2k and 4k, 1080p can run vanilla god rays

Is God Rays a game option or a mod? because the only mod I have is the high phyxs

Option available through the launcher or editing the launcher-created INI. (Don't know the filename for the INI rn.)

[darkjairo29]

Originally posted by Alio:

DLSS and FSR are a joke anyways. You don't need them, shouldn't be using them, and if you do then you you need to downgrade your monitor or upgrade your hardware anyways. They won't help the bad optimization the game has, you can put your settings on low and still see the performance drops. It is an engine/API limitation, not hardware.

The main culprit for performance drops is Godrays and Shadow Distance. In downtown Boston, the performance drops come from poor optimization in drawcalls, which when exceeding the API limitation cause massive performance drops.

You can use some mods to address these issues, but those same mods will cause other issues like additional microstutters and instability. For example, many people report having a stable vanilla experience with no crashing, and the unofficial patch alone causes their game to crash regularly.

While there are a lot of demanding areas, most of them tend to be in a very small section of downtown Boston with Godrays set to High. If you use Ultra godrays then you will find many areas of the game that won't hold a stable 60fps even on the best hardware.

On my i9-10850k/3070, I play at 1440p Ultra + HBAO+, Godrays High. 95% of the game stays locked to 60, it's just that particular area in downtown Boston that dips into the 40's. Not a big deal as you won't be spending much time here anyways.

I have an RTX 4070 Ti and the game runs at 100fps+ average, but in many places I see drops of 45fps minimum, I haven't gotten to Boston yet, the problem is that I watch videos with RTX 2080 Super and TI, and they perform more stable no matter how much my card, it seems incredible to me that a low mid-range card like the RTX 2080 these days is better than mine in this specific game in 4k Max settings.

I leave you the video of a gameplay of a player with the same card as mine so you can see what I'm talking about, watch from minute 2:30 forward, frames drop to 50 fps

Link: https://youtu.be/gZ2TWvOlStc?t=166