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NeinDao May 3, 2024 @ 1:32pm
[spoilers] the "real" canon ending confirmed in FO tv show?
so in the show. we know that BOS or minutemen ending is canon since the airship is still around. but i have seen people say that minutemen ending is canon due to 2 reasons in the show. in BOS ending they steal tech from institute, but we never see any institute tech in the show and one of the songs on the radio in ep7 is called "the minutemen radio"

what are your thoughts?
Last edited by NeinDao; May 5, 2024 @ 10:37am
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Cor. May 3, 2024 @ 1:54pm 
Spoilers mate.
But isnt it a different airship in the show?
Thats what bugged alot of us from seeing the trailers because the parts to make the Prydwen were unique.
or did i miss it and they change the name in the show ot Prydwen?
(which could easily be, I dont remember even tho i saw the entire season)
talemore May 3, 2024 @ 2:18pm 
There's two timelines.

Before peston and after preston.

The thing is that minute man quest is the most unethic. Brotherhood of steel deals with ghouls while minute man kills people and your record will be written as a killer.

Since all people are people you crossed a line.

One may not think of minute man as an oppressor but they are in war with the raiders and then asked to kill for preston.
The reason why preston is in war with the raiders is two oppressors having two views on the world.

The feral ghouls are no longer people. The raiders are one of two oppressors. He minute man oppress the raiders or the raiders oppress the minute man.

It isn't much different from the legion and NCR. And that has to be the weakness of fallout 4 that it takes no chances. It is afraid of walking away from the goldenpath.

Why is a different timeline? Since it feels like two entirely different games.

The time before preston and the time after preston are two games cut into each other.

As seen the encounter with the power armor is cartoony to the point that the death claw will be like team rocket blasting off into the sky and down in the ground. And as well the VATS end up broken as this cartoon boss battle doesn't work. Instead it is actually better to punch the deathclaw as the action economy is higher for punches.

But why do I call it the preston timeline. Since we won't see this cartoony action for a while. After preston you will again be hidung from ghouls and raiders.

The thing is that after preston you are a murder who killed people for preston and you did it without thinking like a slave or a robot.

I don't really see how fallout 4 matter to the show even if many scenes are close to copypasted from the game. Lucy will in the end die as she and her companions enter a metro where they're ambushed by ghouls and have a son named Duncan. That's the canon ending of the show if they follow the canon.
Immortalis May 3, 2024 @ 2:19pm 
The BOS has been building airships ever since the 2190s, which means 100+ years in the context of the tv show.
Furthermore we know that the construction of the Prydwen took a total of four years.
On top of that, communication between the Eastern BOS in DC and the Western BOS in California has always been, at best, spotty.

We really have no indication that the airship in the show is the same we see in Fallout 4, nor that the BOS doesn't have more airships at their disposal.
That, combined with the "creative licenses" that the show has taken regarding certain source materials (for example the BOS having a very visible, very open training camp / living facilities above ground or "overhauling" the rank system so that squire is a higher position than aspirant), leads to a "not canon" verdict as things stand right now.

At the very best, it might be considered "soft canon" in that nothing in the show nor in the games contradicts this idea.
Wilson May 3, 2024 @ 2:20pm 
Originally posted by socialmediaaddress3:
But isnt it a different airship in the show?
Thats what bugged alot of us from seeing the trailers because the parts to make the Prydwen were unique.
or did i miss it and they change the name in the show ot Prydwen?
(which could easily be, I dont remember even tho i saw the entire season)
It was a red herring, the ship is infact the Prydwen.
Shadow May 3, 2024 @ 2:25pm 
I suppose they could have recovered parts and rebuilt it.
NeinDao May 5, 2024 @ 10:44am 
Originally posted by socialmediaaddress3:
But isnt it a different airship in the show?
Thats what bugged alot of us from seeing the trailers because the parts to make the Prydwen were unique.
or did i miss it and they change the name in the show ot Prydwen?
(which could easily be, I dont remember even tho i saw the entire season)

one of the hints that its the prydwen is that some of the knights (like titus) has a boston accent. hinting to it being the prydwen returened from boston.

also if you look at the wiki prydwen, it says "The Prydwen is an aircraft created and used by the Brotherhood of Steel and a location in the Commonwealth in Fallout 4. It also makes an appearance in the Fallout TV series."
kkitts May 5, 2024 @ 10:49am 
Originally posted by NeinDao:
so in the show. we know that BOS or minutemen ending is canon since the airship is still around. but i have seen people say that minutemen ending is canon due to 2 reasons in the show. in BOS ending they steal tech from institute, but we never see any institute tech in the show and one of the songs on the radio in ep7 is called "the minutemen radio"

what are your thoughts?
The show will never be canon to me.
NeinDao May 5, 2024 @ 10:51am 
Originally posted by kkitts:
Originally posted by NeinDao:
so in the show. we know that BOS or minutemen ending is canon since the airship is still around. but i have seen people say that minutemen ending is canon due to 2 reasons in the show. in BOS ending they steal tech from institute, but we never see any institute tech in the show and one of the songs on the radio in ep7 is called "the minutemen radio"

what are your thoughts?
The show will never be canon to me.

similar to me but with 76 xD it will never be fallout to me :3

but i am sure that Daddy Todd has said that its all canon even NV (thats why they forced obsidian to change and retcon stuff in NV)
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kkitts May 5, 2024 @ 10:52am 
Originally posted by NeinDao:
Originally posted by kkitts:
The show will never be canon to me.

similar to me but with 76 xD it will never be fallout to me :3
Same here. I just watched a video about Fallout secrets yesterday, and so much of it depended on F76 it wasn't believable.
ULTRA May 5, 2024 @ 10:57am 
Originally posted by socialmediaaddress3:
But isnt it a different airship in the show?

No, the airship literally says Prydwen on the side. See 36:29 in episode 1. It's in the same position as the "Prydwen" in Fallout 4, just in slightly smaller text.

Originally posted by Shadow:
I suppose they could have recovered parts and rebuilt it.

A NEW Death Star

I believe the Minuteman/BoS ending is canonical, yes, but don't worry because the Enclave survived the Poseidon oil rig getting nuked, Raven Rock self-destructing, and the Adams AFB being bombed into dust so clearly massive explosions in this franchise are just an autumn jamboree and anyone (e.g. the Institute) can recover from them no probs.
NeinDao May 5, 2024 @ 11:04am 
Originally posted by ULTRA:
I believe the Minuteman/BoS ending is canonical, yes, but don't worry because the Enclave survived the Poseidon oil rig getting nuked, Raven Rock self-destructing, and the Adams AFB being bombed into dust so clearly massive explosions in this franchise are just an autumn jamboree and anyone (e.g. the Institute) can recover from them no probs.

the problem when you have a well liked antagonist and a weak writing team. they cant let ♥♥♥♥ stay dead or create new better things. so just bring the old back
Know Won May 5, 2024 @ 5:15pm 
Bah, nothing is proven until confirmed.
BoS could have ran after a huge defeat.
Railroad , minutemen and institute may have or may not have been wiped out.
OR none of the above? We just do not know yet.
Maybe the super mutants won? No explanation for where they are coming from ...
Last edited by Know Won; May 5, 2024 @ 5:17pm
Nowhereman May 5, 2024 @ 5:36pm 
During WWII the USS Yorktown CV-5 was sunk at Midway. Later during the war the Essex class CV-10 was renamed USS Yorktown. The same could have happened to the Prydwen.
Bored Peon May 5, 2024 @ 5:51pm 
Originally posted by NeinDao:
what are your thoughts?
There is no definitive details in how Fallout 4 ends.

- You see an airship named Prydwen. May be the same airship, may not be the same airship.

- There is a line "The highest cleric in the Commonwealth has given us this mission to find Wilzig." All that says is the BoS still has personnel in the Commonwealth. It did not say the won, it did not say they lost, only they still have personnel there.

Bethesda writers leave open details like this to let people draw their own conclusions (right or wrong), which is crappy writing. However in the interest of the franchise it makes sense to leave it open.

Originally posted by NeinDao:
...in BOS ending they steal tech from institute...
The only tech the Institute had that would even be worth taking from the Institute would have been teleportation. Which is a technology that never made sense because it was done with radio waves, which due to the radioactive atmosphere radio does not work for @#$%.

All of their synth technology is FEV based, which FEV experimentation is banned by the BoS and an executable offense for conducting FEV experiments. Considering the Institute was the seventh time the BoS had to shut down FEV experimentation, and out of those seven times no benefit to humanity was ever provided despite the loss of innocent lives in the experiments.

Not to mention kind of hard to steal technology when they placed is nuked. The old Wasteland phrase "Do not expect to check books out of the library if you blow it up" comes to mind.
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