Fallout TV show is anti-woke?

[jeem9000]

So I saw a lot of people say the Fallout TV show is woke because the show is about capitalism and how capitalism destroys the world. But after finish watching the show myself, I have concluded the exact opposite. The Fallout TV show is actually anti-woke, and anti-socialism.

The dumbest people in the show are the vault dwellers. They are sheltered, privileged, ignorant and arrogant... perfect embodiment of the woke. Their arguments excusing the murderous raiders mirrors how the woke excuse criminals in real life. Norm (very appropriately named) MacLean is the only clear thinking person in the vault and is obviously not a liberal.

And what about the people who wanted to destroy the world? Are they capitalists? Obviously no, and the people who think this is capitalism have no idea what capitalism is. People who don't understand capitalism believe capitalism is big corporations. That is incorrect. Capitalism is an economic system based on the free market and competition. When corporation become too big and too powerful, they become anti free market and anti competition. And that's exactly what we see in the TV show. The Vault-Tecs of the world don't want competition and they don't want a free market where individuals get to make their own decisions. No, they want a guided progression, where they get to decide for everyone else. Who are these people in real life? These are the people who have amassed their wealth through capitalism but want to impose socialism on everyone else.

[ijk613]

Well laid out, have some points

[PeaceMaker]

The show is both woke and not woke. I believe the makers (and Amazon) realised that wokism is killing a lot of their shows and that most people simply do not like or want it.

The wokism is there, but restricted. I don't know who it is , but someone said "less of the woke, it's putting people off!" and they reduced it quite a lot. Of course there's still some stupid stuff in there.

You can still `feel` the woke trying to get out though. The trans-man they shoved in there, (pregnant woman fighting with a fork in her eye) the bits of misandry...

Yet there is a certain anti-woke there too; lucy being the protagonist I thought meant woke crap, but she is surprisingly traditional. She is naive, kinda useless at fighting. Gets rescued by men several times (that in itself is cool but surprising). She doesn't hate men or have anything against them, although who knows what she'll be like after her father turned out to be evil (predictable).

So it seems to me there's a bit of a fight going on to try and keep the general public by reducing the woke, while at the same time trying to still shove woke at us under the sheets.

The whole thing could turn extremely woke easily in Season 2 and then I'm out.

The 2nd (maybe 3rd) series will show us which way it truly goes which could spell success or death for the show.

p.s As for the anti-capitalist slant; it's always the case that Businessess like Hollywood makes show which attack capitalism as `evil`, yet they are hugely capitalist themselves! They are just playing games with most young people and their distrust of Capitalism. And Fallout has always been strangely somewhat anti-capitalist in its writing.

[socialmediaaddress3]

The show was surprisingly balanced. This explains part of its success.
Lucy despite the show making a point of her being fit and agile being so casually handled by The Ghoul, who has no special powers beyond simply being male is realistic and in line wiht human nature.
So the show was great.
But of course there is no telling how the 2nd season will be, I suspect Lucy will become a all conquering shero, but he will see.

Remember how "westworld", also by Nolan, was a work of art in the 1st season but became an increasingly unwatchable wokefest by the 3rd?

[PeaceMaker]

Originally posted by socialmediaaddress3:

Remember how "westworld", also by Nolan, was a work of art in the 1st season but became an increasingly unwatchable wokefest by the 3rd?

Exactly! Which is why i can't get too excited yet.

[TemplarGR]

Big business is not capitalism, it is fascism. Fascism is when business become so powerful, that they essentially control the state and collude with it. It works with the inverse route too, when state attempts to create and control big business and use them as an extension of their government, pretending they are private sector when in fact they are covert state corps. Now, people often misunderstand fascism, fasicm, like naz1sm, are pretty close to communism in terms of economic and state organization. They are basically all 3, just variations of "totaliarianism". Their main propaganda differs, fascism/naz1sm pretending to care about the nation while communism pretending to care about workers. But if you look beyond the fascade they are the same thing.

One of the biggest tradegies in the West, is when people hate capitalism and attribute all western problems to it, while in fact the West currently has anything but true capitalism, we are borderline communist countries now.

In my opinion, the TV show is a little evil in that regard, it attacks capitalism while it is clear that there is no free market capitalism in the USA anymore. A bunch of mega corps control basically everything, even the end of the world. That is not libertarianism, that is not free market, that is an economic oligarchy, that is totalitarianism via corps. If governments actually did their jobs and regulated those corporations, they wouldn't be able to do all these things, but instead governments collude with them. Hell, government officials (which formed the Enclave as we all know) may even be behind the plan to nuke the world, and just ordered vault-tek and the rest to do it....

[Shadow]

Originally posted by socialmediaaddress3:

But of course there is no telling how the 2nd season will be I suspect Lucy will become a all conquering shero, but he will see.

Just wanted to touch on this a little bit. One of the things that make a show woke is the complete and utter lack of a development arc for the "strong independent female" protagonist. They're generally just Mary Sues right from the moment they're born. If they're born at all that is. I think half of them would have you believe that they just manifested into existence as a perfect being.

Anyway, if Lucy actually develops over the course of the show from naive and weak to being a decent fighter, without just outright mutating her into another mass produced Mary Sue, then I don't believe that in itself would count as woke.

[NecroMaster]

They made the show about capitalism?

Fallout is supposed to be about war?
It isn’t capitalism it’s war that’s destroying the world.

[A]

pretty sure woke just means being decent and not hating people for being gay at this point lol but funny anyway

[Royal]

Originally posted by NecroMaster:

They made the show about capitalism?

Fallout is supposed to be about war?
It isn’t capitalism it’s war that’s destroying the world.

did we watch the same show, its definitely capitalism as a mechanism for vault tec wanting to control the market that destroyed the world lol

[NecroMaster]

Originally posted by Royal:

Originally posted by NecroMaster:

They made the show about capitalism?

Fallout is supposed to be about war?
It isn’t capitalism it’s war that’s destroying the world.

did we watch the same show, its definitely capitalism as a mechanism for vault tec wanting to control the market that destroyed the world lol

The market didn’t destroy the world.

If we played the same game nuclear war with china wiped the whole country clean.

That’s not capitalism that is war.

[Royal]

Originally posted by NecroMaster:

Originally posted by Royal:

did we watch the same show, its definitely capitalism as a mechanism for vault tec wanting to control the market that destroyed the world lol

The market didn’t destroy the world.

If we played the same game nuclear war with china wiped the whole country clean.

That’s not capitalism that is war.

you fell asleep or didnt pay attention, vault tec in league with other companies literally caused the nuclear apocalypse

go watch it again 🤣

[NecroMaster]

Originally posted by Royal:

Originally posted by NecroMaster:

The market didn’t destroy the world.

If we played the same game nuclear war with china wiped the whole country clean.

That’s not capitalism that is war.

you fell asleep or didnt pay attention, vault tec in league with other companies literally caused the nuclear apocalypse

go watch it again 🤣

God what kind of bull crap is this show pushing?

All of that fallout games have made it an abundant message that war is the the problem.

Never anything about capitalism.

Every single game the human population is dying around them and the factions are more concerned killing each other for power.

Even the apocalypse itself was caused by war from bombs china dropped in this universe.

Idk if you played any of the games but the show is deviating hard.

[TemplarGR]

Originally posted by Ast:

pretty sure woke just means being decent and not hating people for being gay at this point lol but funny anyway

No one hates people for being gay. We are just saying it is un-natural and it is not a behavior that should be encouraged as normal, society depends on people creating healthy families and having children. This doesn't mean we hate gay people, they are free to live as they want. But having pop media shoving gay propaganda down our throats every single time, sure makes some people react badly and then the woke croud pretends they are hateful.

[Shadow]

Originally posted by Royal:

Originally posted by NecroMaster:

The market didn’t destroy the world.

If we played the same game nuclear war with china wiped the whole country clean.

That’s not capitalism that is war.

you fell asleep or didnt pay attention, vault tec in league with other companies literally caused the nuclear apocalypse

go watch it again 🤣

Friendly tip. Vaporizing and irradiating all of your customers with a nuclear apocalypse is bad for business.

[Douchebag Extraordinaire]

That's some gold medal award winning mental gymnastics you're doing there.