20FPS?

[GrAnd944]

I paid however much for a 4080. This game came out ten years ago, and I should know, I went to the ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ midnight launch. Can somebody please explain to me why I'm getting worse FPS now than I was in 2014. I mean ♥♥♥♥ me sideways.

Someone must have fixed this by now - I know mods are an option but considering not only have I never bothered modding before but also that most of the mods have now been broken, how do I fix it without.

Any help appreciated.

[Alio]

Originally posted by 🦊Λℚ𝓤ΛƑΛᗯҜᔕ🦊:

Originally posted by Alio:

The best way to run the game is to use exclusive fullscreen which provides better performance.

Documents>my games>Fallout 4>Fallout4prefs.ini

Change:
Borderless=0
Fullscreen=1

You "forgot" to include the disclaimer that doing this makes the game completely unplayable for people with multi-monitor configurations. Anyone with 2 or more monitors must play the game in windowed borderless mode or we can't switch to other apps while playing the game.

99% of PC games run in exclusive fullscreen out of the box. No disclaimer needed. Most people have phones/tablets for multitasking while gaming, it's 2024 dawg.

If you want to absolutely trash your gaming performance for seamless window switching, that's on you lol.

[tally]

Originally posted by Alio:

Originally posted by tally:

found a solution that's worked for me after everything else didn't work.

1. set your monitor's refresh rate to 60hz in Windows display settings

2. launch the game

3. once you're in-game, set your refresh rate back to your native settings in Windows display settings

you should then have the benefits of windowed mode seamless alt tabbing + no weird fps cap + not having to use your computer at 60hz to play a broken "next-gen" patch

I also have my nvidia settings set to v-sync off and 60 fps cap, but after the update even the NVIDIA settings to turn v-sync off aren't doing anything so...yeah...."next gen"....

this can probably work for OP too

They added the Vsync line to Fallout4.ini as well. You have to change it in both .ini files.

Forcing Vsync off in the NVCP does work, this is literally a driver setting that completely disables it, period. The game can't force the NVCP to do something you've disabled at a driver level lol.

The best way to run the game is to use exclusive fullscreen which provides better performance.

Documents>my games>Fallout 4>Fallout4prefs.ini

Change:
Borderless=0
Fullscreen=1

Use RTSS or NVCP to cap to 60.

Now you can play at 60hz with Gsync/FreeSync enabled and the best possible performance.

You're welcome. :)

I've already tried editing all the .ini files possible to add the PresentInterval=0 command. Fallout4Prefs, Fallout4, you name it, the game still enables vsync with the .ini edits AND nvidia drivers set to vsync off.

your suggestion wouldn't work for me because I can't stand playing with exclusive fullscreen. Sure, exclusive fullscreen fixes the fps cap issues for me (for whatever reason), but then alt-tabbing becomes extremely slow and clunky compared to windowed mode, and I like to have the in-game map/wiki open on my other monitor when playing.

[🦊Λℚ𝓤ΛƑΛᗯҜᔕ🦊]

Originally posted by Alio:

99% of PC games run in exclusive fullscreen out of the box. No disclaimer needed. Most people have phones/tablets for multitasking while gaming, it's 2024 dawg.

No they do not. Since Windows 10 became standard almost all games are borderless windowed mode now. In fact exclusive full screen mode doesn't even exist anymore in the current version of Windows 10 (it was removed years ago with one of the updates) or Windows 11. Both versions run all games in windowed mode in the back-end regardless of whatever you set it to.

No one wants a game to completely minimize every single time that we switch to another app. That's silly.

[Suprcharg]

I'm having this exact same problem 20 fps, even at the MAIN MENU. I've got a 6750XT and 5800X3d. I should be able to run this on Ultra. I tried setting Vsync to 0 in the ini. I've gone from Ultra, to High, med, low etc... no change in frame rate.

[Alio]

Originally posted by 🦊Λℚ𝓤ΛƑΛᗯҜᔕ🦊:

Originally posted by Alio:

99% of PC games run in exclusive fullscreen out of the box. No disclaimer needed. Most people have phones/tablets for multitasking while gaming, it's 2024 dawg.

No they do not. Since Windows 10 became standard almost all games are borderless windowed mode now. In fact exclusive full screen mode doesn't even exist anymore in the current version of Windows 10 (it was removed years ago with one of the updates) or Windows 11. Both versions run all games in windowed mode in the back-end regardless of whatever you set it to.

No one wants a game to completely minimize when we alt-tab. That's silly.

You got your information wrong. Windows was updated to treat Borderless like it would exclusive fullscreen apps. This helps with VRR working in DX12 games using Borderless options.

This is why you can use VRR on DX12 borderless fullscreen without interference of other apps controlling the VRR now.

This doesn't negate the performance impact borderless has, you are still rendering your desktop and other things behind the game, this inherently causes worse performance... period.

Also, what games other than Bethesda titles ship with Borderless by default? The last one I've ever seen is Halo Infinite, which didn't even have an Exclusive Fullscreen option and didn't work with VRR at launch because of it. That game also died because of it as no real gamer would touch that pile of dogcrap without exclusive fullscreen.

Borderless has worse input lag, worse performance, and doesn't work with VRR most of the time. You can literally see it in the HZ report on your monitor's OSD lmao.

Fallout 4, by default, supports VRR in exclusive fullscreen, but it ships with default settings of Borderless Fullscreen, which doesn't work with VRR in DX11. You can see using Nvidia Profile Inspector that Fallout 4 allows VRR btw. Skyrim SE does too. Fallout 76 DOES NOT, but you can turn it on from the inspector.

[oak]

Originally posted by DonJuanDoja:

Probably because my gear is older, but good older. 7700k 2080ti 32gb 3200 RAM NVME - 4k TV

I even downloaded some of the CC content I bought years ago and it's all working fine so far.

Hate to be that "works for me guy" but just want you guys to know it is possible to play the game smoothly with the right hardware and configurations.

I'm almost too scared to pop into the threads here in the forum, because I feel like I'll be labelled "works for me guy" as well. I've got an older Ryzen, with a 2070 Super, 32GB RAM and storage on 3rd gen NVME, plus I'm running under Linux - it's driving a 1440p 240hz gsync monitor. In theory so many people here are running far superior systems. However my experience is that out of the box with the HD texture pack DLC and every graphic setting (including weapon debris) set to Ultra (and no mods), I get 200-240fps most of the time, no physics issues at all. It's a mystery to me why it's working for me.

To the OP:

Originally posted by GrAnd944:

60hz monitor, dual monitor setup.

It may sound odd, but have you tried unplugging one monitor and trying it single monitor to see if it makes a difference? Not a solution, more a process of elimination suggestion.

[🦊Λℚ𝓤ΛƑΛᗯҜᔕ🦊]

Originally posted by Alio:

You got your information wrong. Windows was updated to treat Borderless like it would exclusive fullscreen apps. This helps with VRR working in DX12 games using Borderless options.

You have your information backwards and you need to educate yourself.
Read here: https://www.pcgamingwiki.com/wiki/Windows
And here: https://devblogs.microsoft.com/directx/demystifying-full-screen-optimizations/

It's called "Full Screen Optimizations" and it's on by default in the current version of Windows 10 and Windows 11. It renders all games that run on our computer in windowed mode even if they are set to borderless fullscreen mode. It's necessary for overlays like Windows Game Bar to function.

Originally posted by Alio:

This is why you can use VRR on borderless fullscreen without interference of other apps controlling the VRR now.

I have owned a Gsync monitor and nvidia video card for many years since about 2018. All borderless windowed mode games have always functioned with gsync perfectly fine.

Originally posted by Alio:

Borderless has worse input lag, worse performance, and doesn't work with VRR most of the time. You can literally see it in the HZ report on your monitor's OSD lmao.

Yes I have a 144hz screen and it shows 144 hz in all games that I play. Even borderless windowed mode and GSYNC works with borderless windowed games perfectly.

Exclusive full screen mode for games is very very old for games that ran in 4:3 screens and back in the Win9x and XP days when people had only 1 monitor. Everyone should always be using borderless windowed mode today.

[Alio]

Originally posted by 🦊Λℚ𝓤ΛƑΛᗯҜᔕ🦊:

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Yes I have a 144hz screen and it shows 144 hz in all games that I play. Even borderless windowed mode and GSYNC works with borderless windowed games perfectly.

Exclusive full screen mode for games is very very old for games that ran in 4:3 screens and back in the Win9x and XP days when people had only 1 monitor. Everyone should always be using borderless windowed mode today.

You are not using Gsync if it says 144hz all the time, that is the exact opposite of what it should be reporting, and that is the exact hz/fps. If your game is running at 60fps, your monitor should report 60hz, not 144hz. You've basically just told me you haven't been using Gsync properly for the last 6 years.

This is the equivalent of buying a 144hz monitor and leaving it at 60hz... lmfao.

I do this for a living, sounds like you need to pay someone like me to set up your PC properly, you have no idea what you're talking about, and have the audacity to tell me to educate myself. Hahahaha.

[Etny2k]

Lets not talk about the negative effects. If you were playing this game in 1985 you would love 20 fps.

[🦊Λℚ𝓤ΛƑΛᗯҜᔕ🦊]

Originally posted by Alio:

You are not using Gsync if it says 144hz all the time, that is the exact opposite of what it should be reporting, and that is the exact hz/fps. If your game is running at 60fps, your monitor should report 60hz, not 144hz. You've basically just told me you haven't been using Gsync properly for the last 6 years.

Oh gods.. your comments hurt my head so much. I don't know how anyone could get computers and technology so wrong. Our monitors are always going to report maximum hz in a game even if gsync is enabled if that's what we set it to in windows display settings. Gsync just makes the transitions between multiple frequencies smooth (eliminates tearing) as the game moves anywhere between 40 <-> 144 FPS while playing (the gsync range of my monitor).

Originally posted by Alio:

I do this for a living, sounds like you need to pay someone like me to set up your PC properly, you have no idea what you're talking about, and have the audacity to tell me to educate myself. Hahahaha.

If you did this for a living and knew what you were doing then why did you write this comment here?

Originally posted by Alio:

This doesn't negate the performance impact borderless has, you are still rendering your desktop and other things behind the game, this inherently causes worse performance... period.

The performance differences between exclusive full screen and borderless windowed mode were completely eliminated with the introduction of FSO (Full Screen Optimizations) that came out with Windows 10 update 1903 in May 2019 (Which by the way I gave you a link to explain FSO. Did you read it?). If you are still seeing a performance difference between exclusive full screen and borderless windowed mode then you must still have a very old version of Windows 10 from 2018 or before and never updated it. And you most likely have never gamed on Windows 11 either then because it's on by default in all versions of Windows 11.

EDIT: I just thought of something while AFK .. are you using Windows 7?

Just the fact that you wrote that comment at all completely proved you actually DO NOT know what you're talking about. That is very very old and was gone many years ago.

EDIT #2: I did some searching about you and your history. In 2023 you actually tried to tell people to switch on and use VSYNC to artificially introduce input lag here: https://steamcommunity.com/app/671860/discussions/4/3806156352192672475/#c3806156528937749176

And again you try to re-enforce people use vsync here: https://steamcommunity.com/app/1174180/discussions/0/3829789648156350024/#c3829789648157230840

And a 3rd time here: https://steamcommunity.com/app/671860/discussions/4/3805027459317806813/#c3805027459318020459

And then here in this one you try to tell people that VSYNC is required to use a VRR monitor: https://steamcommunity.com/app/489830/discussions/0/282992646972655694/#c3272438771265826830

I'm done with searching and I'm done with you. You do not have any remote clue what in the world you're talking about or typing. You most certainly do not "do this for a living" either or you would of never written any of those comments. Time to visit the block list, add someone new, and unsub from this thread so I never have to suffer headaches reading your complete nonsense ever again.

[Alio]

Originally posted by 🦊Λℚ𝓤ΛƑΛᗯҜᔕ🦊:

Oh gods.. your comments hurt my head so much. I don't know how anyone could get computers and technology so wrong. Our monitors are always going to report maximum hz in a game even if gsync is enabled if that's what we set it to in windows display settings. Gsync just makes the transitions between multiple frequencies smooth (eliminates tearing) as the game moves anywhere between 40 <-> 144 FPS while playing (the gsync range of my monitor).

Yes, a monitor is supposed to display your current hz/fps on a VRR OSD to verify it's actually working. I can launch any game with an RTSS/NVCP lock and it will show 30-144hz on the OSD if VRR is engaged, why the hell would it say 144hz if the current application is engaged at 60fps/hz? When you put a 60fps lock on a game, and it shows 144hz, that means VRR is not engaged.

Also, VRR doesn't eliminate screen tearing, it only reduces it significantly. You have to use Vsync in combination with VRR to completely eliminate screen tearing. This is VRR 101 that you've failed to even learn, but hey, your don't even have VRR working properly to begin with so what would you know.

https://blurbusters.com/gsync/gsync101-input-lag-tests-and-settings/15/

Stopped reading after that as you simply don't know what you're talking about. Go read a BlurBuster article or watch a Batllenonsense video so you can at least grasp the basics of this stuff before trying to have a conversation. I'm not here to be your teacher, and I've got better things to do.

Educate yourself, because you got a long ways to go with what I just heard from you LOL.

[GrAnd944]

Wait a minute, so some people get *better* performance with exclusive fullscreen? I've almost invariably found since switching to 4K that exclusive fullscreen is always worse performing than borderless windowed.

[Alio]

Originally posted by GrAnd944:

Wait a minute, so some people get *better* performance with exclusive fullscreen? I've almost invariably found since switching to 4K that exclusive fullscreen is always worse performing than borderless windowed.

In most DX12 games it doesn't matter between the two and they are within a margin of error difference both in performance due to FSO and input latency due to API changes in pre-rendered frame behaviour + Nvidia Reflex. In DX11 and older, Exclusive Fullscreen will pretty much always have better performance and/or lower input latency. In competitive games, it's basically mandatory to use Exclusive Fullscreen for the best input latency alone.

There is plenty of data on this already, although a lot of it is outdated as DWM has been updated from both a Windows standpoint and an Nvidia driver standpoint to bring Exclusive and Borderless up to snuff to roughly perform the same thanks to the infamous volume bar bug that plagued VRR for a long time. This wasn't always the case though and it's still recommended to use exclusive fullscreen with fullscreen optimizations disabled sometimes in DX9-11 games, especially on a VRR monitor, and especially if you want the best responsiveness from your inputs.

https://blurbusters.com/gsync/gsync101-input-lag-tests-and-settings/15/

Borderless Fullscreen is known to cause stuttering and input latency issues across tons of titles, and is only recommended for heavy multitaskers/streamers. Borderless Fullscreen is also known to bug out Nvida Control Panel settings so they don't take effect properly, which is why you will see some people reporting that turning off Vsync at a driver level does nothing for Fallout 4 and Vsync stays enabled.

You can learn more about input latency differences between Fullscreen and Borderless Fullscreen:

https://youtu.be/oc28SH2ESA4?si=gqArS4sxarT_Ij6u

https://devblogs.microsoft.com/directx/demystifying-full-screen-optimizations/

[Alio]

Just, whatever you do don't listen to Fox boi up there. Lmao.

Research this stuff yourself.

For example, he tried calling me out on Vsync without even understanding VRR 101 or where Vsync input lag comes from and how to get rid of it.

https://youtu.be/YR0vNs0ZdWI?si=JLlC2uljyzzJEL-G&t=235

https://youtu.be/OAFuiBTFo5E?si=fpB3qH6LCXnfjNqi

https://youtu.be/xsXFUVYPIx4?si=Oc97UXgj5Of6Brb6

https://youtu.be/W66pTe8YM2s?si=9C-tpUzw1Tym8rD1

https://blurbusters.com/gsync/gsync101-input-lag-tests-and-settings/15/

[shotgunharry]

if you have only 20 fps, something fundamentally must be wrong. this goes beyond game settings / tweaks.

what are your pc specs? should give this always when expecting help.

run msi afterburner and tell me what cpu / gpu / ram / vram usage you have and cpu / gpu temp.