Can anyone explain

[jeem9000]

What the deal is with Vault 32 in the TV show. I feel like there are lots of problems with vault 32, what they showed us in the TV show doesn't seem to make sense. Like, how would they not know everyone was killed in that vault for at least 2 years? Doesn't the Overseer report back to vault 31? And who restored vault 32 back to a habitable state? There's no one from vault 31 to do that. If people from vault 33 cleaned it up, it would require a lot manpower. Betty and Stephanie would not have been able to do it themselves. And if lots of other are involved in the cleanup, then pretty much everyone in vault 33 would know what happened in vault 32, there's no way to keep it a secret.

[Bored Peon]

Originally posted by TemplarGR:

Also, another strong indicator that Vaults 31-32-33 are experiment vaults and not control vaults, is the Fallout franchise tradition that every game that starts in a vault, it is always an experiment vault, we have never began as a control vault dweller.

Fallout 76 says otherwise.

Originally posted by TemplarGR:

No one ever said that 32 and 33 were control vaults. This is something YOU speculate. At no place in the show was mentioned that 32 and 33 were control vaults.

The Enclave are not going to use a LIMITED supply of pre-war Enclave people on some Vault experiment. Bud Askins is Enclave, from West Tek, not Vault-Tec.

The "experiment" was to create "super managers" so there is no experiment conducted on the residents in Vault 32 and Vault 33 because it would ruin the training program.

Originally posted by TemplarGR:

1) Why they haven't let the dwellers out in the real world for so long. The world outside has been rebuilt already and they are still waiting for future generations to "save America", which is a lie their overseers tell them to keep them content.

The Enclave plan is to wipe out the survivors or outlast them by using time. The simple fact people were above would be why they did not let just anyone go out.

Originally posted by TemplarGR:

3) The doctor from the Enclave, knew what the experiment in Vault 33 was.

He said he knew who she was and where she was from. He never said anything about experiments being conducted in vaults. Birdie in Vault 4 was the one that asked what the experiment was.

[fmalfeas]

The vault 32/33 experiment should be pretty obvious.

MANAGEMENT.

The entire thing is about establishing iron fisted control without the populace realizing it. To manipulate their society over generations until they only want to do what you tell them to do, unquestioningly.

That's why there was no question about the raiders, despite them not acting like vault dwellers. Overseer says they're the 32 inhabitants, so okey dokey, it's true. And it took a massacre to get anyone to question, and how many questioned? *3*. Total. And one of them only questioned why she couldn't go get her dad. Another one decided he'd rather not rock the boat because he's scared.

So really, out of the whole vault, ONE person really seriously questioned the official story, even after all that.

Lucy didn't believe that she'd been lied to until she saw the feral husk of her mom and the necklace that her flesh had grown around.

After everything Lucy had already been through on the surface, it wasn't until /then/ that the conditioning broke.

[kmoore41]

I believe we all have had the same concerns over how these events could have even happened in the first place. I listed a few of my questions/concerns in another post. I have noted that I am not the only one with these and many, many more unanswered issues. I feel that part of this is the writers who seem to have only a basic knowledge of the Fallout world.

[Empukris]

Originally posted by jeem9000:

What the deal is with Vault 32 in the TV show. I feel like there are lots of problems with vault 32, what they showed us in the TV show doesn't seem to make sense. Like, how would they not know everyone was killed in that vault for at least 2 years? Doesn't the Overseer report back to vault 31? And who restored vault 32 back to a habitable state? There's no one from vault 31 to do that. If people from vault 33 cleaned it up, it would require a lot manpower. Betty and Stephanie would not have been able to do it themselves. And if lots of other are involved in the cleanup, then pretty much everyone in vault 33 would know what happened in vault 32, there's no way to keep it a secret.

Isnt the whole problem started when they have a water supply leakage causing the vault dweller start to blame each other and ended with Lucy mother going into the surface to find resources? Other vault dweller is already precondition so much that they dare not to open the vault door and venture outside. Pretty sure vault dweller from vault 31 know the experiment while vault 32 and 33 dont. But from time to time they manipulate the election so that vault 31 will win the election at vault 33 and probably vault 32 as well. Vault 32 and 33 is the breeder vault. Their whole purpose is to provide gene pools. It is only the vault overseer able to communicate each other, that is with limited tools of the overseer terminal too. Easy to fake identity with that.

[Hup]

Originally posted by jeem9000:

What the deal is with Vault 32 in the TV show. I feel like there are lots of problems with vault 32, what they showed us in the TV show doesn't seem to make sense. Like, how would they not know everyone was killed in that vault for at least 2 years? Doesn't the Overseer report back to vault 31? And who restored vault 32 back to a habitable state? There's no one from vault 31 to do that. If people from vault 33 cleaned it up, it would require a lot manpower. Betty and Stephanie would not have been able to do it themselves. And if lots of other are involved in the cleanup, then pretty much everyone in vault 33 would know what happened in vault 32, there's no way to keep it a secret.

It's pretty obvious the producers intend the purpose and history of the triple vaults to be one of the big mysteries of the show, but a lot of people have theorized that Moldaver was an Vault 31 icicle until the last few decades, around the time Hank MacLean would have been defrosted. I personally think it fills in a lot of blanks if you assume that everyone are all filling the roles we expect of Fallout NPCs, and Moldaver is the PC with more inherent "willpower", and made a bunch of utilitarian / chaotic evil decisions before Lucy was ever born.

[TemplarGR]

Originally posted by Bored Peon:

Originally posted by TemplarGR:

Also, another strong indicator that Vaults 31-32-33 are experiment vaults and not control vaults, is the Fallout franchise tradition that every game that starts in a vault, it is always an experiment vault, we have never began as a control vault dweller.

Fallout 76 says otherwise.

Originally posted by TemplarGR:

No one ever said that 32 and 33 were control vaults. This is something YOU speculate. At no place in the show was mentioned that 32 and 33 were control vaults.

The Enclave are not going to use a LIMITED supply of pre-war Enclave people on some Vault experiment. Bud Askins is Enclave, from West Tek, not Vault-Tec.

The "experiment" was to create "super managers" so there is no experiment conducted on the residents in Vault 32 and Vault 33 because it would ruin the training program.

Originally posted by TemplarGR:

1) Why they haven't let the dwellers out in the real world for so long. The world outside has been rebuilt already and they are still waiting for future generations to "save America", which is a lie their overseers tell them to keep them content.

The Enclave plan is to wipe out the survivors or outlast them by using time. The simple fact people were above would be why they did not let just anyone go out.

Originally posted by TemplarGR:

3) The doctor from the Enclave, knew what the experiment in Vault 33 was.

He said he knew who she was and where she was from. He never said anything about experiments being conducted in vaults. Birdie in Vault 4 was the one that asked what the experiment was.

Again, this is what you choose to believe...

The TV show even displays the rat outopia experiments clips inside the series.... If you don't know what the rat outopia experiments were, google them.... This is a strong hint that vaults 31-32-33 are rat outopia experiments.

The term "breeder vaults" is stupid. Vault Tek knows they can't keep the same DNA related people closed for centuries and them improving their DNA through interbreeding, that's impossible. Bud's buds are not Vault Tek's reason of beginning nuclear annihilation of the world, they are just an experiment. Bud was obsessed with management, so Vault Tek allowed him to run an experiment in order to create perfect management. Pretty sure even Bud is being lied to by Vault Tek in order to keep people frozen for centuries. No one is wiping the surface clean of life, and no matter how much they wait, they will never reconquer the surface.

Bud was an idiot in the show. He is not the leader of Vault Tek or the Enclave. He is the usual know-it-all higher executive who is so obssessed with his self that he ends up destroying himself (his body was removed, does he look like he is in control? Who would choose to have his body removed and place his brain inside a robot instead of being frozen in a pod?

In reality, the Enclave has been removed from shelters and vaults for centuries. They have been active in the Wasteland. And most if not all Vaults have been opened by the point the TV show begins (the TV show is the latest chronologically all games are earlier). There is no reason at all to keep people locked up in vaults 31-32-33. The only reason is to keep up with the rat outopia experiments.

But i am pretty sure what i am saying will be revealed in later seasons directly....

[fmalfeas]

Originally posted by TemplarGR:

In reality, the Enclave has been removed from shelters and vaults for centuries. They have been active in the Wasteland. And most if not all Vaults have been opened by the point the TV show begins (the TV show is the latest chronologically all games are earlier). There is no reason at all to keep people locked up in vaults 31-32-33. The only reason is to keep up with the rat outopia experiments.

But i am pretty sure what i am saying will be revealed in later seasons directly....

If memory serves, in 2 it mentions that the Enclave was notified when 8 opened normally. And when 13 opened abnormally (it was never supposed to open at all, after all, but shipping errors and all that). Tactics mentions that there are core systems monitoring the overall status of the individual vaults.

So, yeah, if the 'breeder vault' thing was true, they would have been unsealed at the same time as 8 or 15. Also, a 'breeder vault' would have been, logically speaking, freaking huge with massive, massive food and water production. It would have been designed to get a population large enough to immediately start a fledgeling nation or city-state. Not like 50 people.

[Bored Peon]

Originally posted by TemplarGR:

Also, another strong indicator that Vaults 31-32-33 are experiment vaults and not control vaults, is the Fallout franchise tradition that every game that starts in a vault, it is always an experiment vault, we have never began as a control vault dweller.

Originally posted by Bored Peon:

Fallout 76 says otherwise.

Again, this is what you choose to believe...

Believe? It is fact.

Vault 76 is a control vault:
https://fallout.fandom.com/wiki/Vault_76

https://fallout.fandom.com/wiki/Vault_76_overseer/Dialogue
Vault-Tec found out that I knew. I thought I was going to be fired, or arrested, but instead they confided in me. Vault 76 was going to be a control Vault. No experiment.

Multiple sources are saying what you believe is wrong.

[Ihateeverybody]

i am just going to wait for Season 2. I am all about the Car Ride. I don't really care where we are going as long as there are Food Places on the way and Bathroom Breaks.

[jeem9000]

Originally posted by Hup:

It's pretty obvious the producers intend the purpose and history of the triple vaults to be one of the big mysteries of the show, but a lot of people have theorized that Moldaver was an Vault 31 icicle until the last few decades, around the time Hank MacLean would have been defrosted. I personally think it fills in a lot of blanks if you assume that everyone are all filling the roles we expect of Fallout NPCs, and Moldaver is the PC with more inherent "willpower", and made a bunch of utilitarian / chaotic evil decisions before Lucy was ever born.

Given that Moldaver is a renowned scientist before the war, she is probably well connected to many of scientific institutions all around the country, if not the world. It's not too much of a stretch to think she may have collaborated with the CIT pre and post war. Maybe she received similar augments like Kellogg did from the Institute.

[jeem9000]

Originally posted by TemplarGR:

Again, this is what you choose to believe...

The TV show even displays the rat outopia experiments clips inside the series.... If you don't know what the rat outopia experiments were, google them.... This is a strong hint that vaults 31-32-33 are rat outopia experiments.

The term "breeder vaults" is stupid. Vault Tek knows they can't keep the same DNA related people closed for centuries and them improving their DNA through interbreeding, that's impossible. Bud's buds are not Vault Tek's reason of beginning nuclear annihilation of the world, they are just an experiment. Bud was obsessed with management, so Vault Tek allowed him to run an experiment in order to create perfect management. Pretty sure even Bud is being lied to by Vault Tek in order to keep people frozen for centuries. No one is wiping the surface clean of life, and no matter how much they wait, they will never reconquer the surface.

Bud was an idiot in the show. He is not the leader of Vault Tek or the Enclave. He is the usual know-it-all higher executive who is so obssessed with his self that he ends up destroying himself (his body was removed, does he look like he is in control? Who would choose to have his body removed and place his brain inside a robot instead of being frozen in a pod?

In reality, the Enclave has been removed from shelters and vaults for centuries. They have been active in the Wasteland. And most if not all Vaults have been opened by the point the TV show begins (the TV show is the latest chronologically all games are earlier). There is no reason at all to keep people locked up in vaults 31-32-33. The only reason is to keep up with the rat outopia experiments.

But i am pretty sure what i am saying will be revealed in later seasons directly....

You make good points regarding Bud and his breeding vaults. He could be part of the experiment. He may think he's running things, but he's actually just one of the lab rats, like all his little buds. But then I have a problem with Hank having the ability to nuke Shady Sands. You wouldn't expect one of the lab rats to have access to do that kind of damage. How would you explain that part? And why did he goto Vegas? Was he a mole House placed in Vault-Tec management? Did he get the nuke from RepConn Aerospace? Or maybe from West-Tek at Mariposa?

[fmalfeas]

Originally posted by jeem9000:

You make good points regarding Bud and his breeding vaults. He could be part of the experiment. He may think he's running things, but he's actually just one of the lab rats, like all his little buds. But then I have a problem with Hank having the ability to nuke Shady Sands. You wouldn't expect one of the lab rats to have access to do that kind of damage. How would you explain that part? And why did he goto Vegas? Was he a mole House placed in Vault-Tec management? Did he get the nuke from RepConn Aerospace? Or maybe from West-Tek at Mariposa?

Didn't Lucy say there's like 50 people in 33? That's not a breeding vault. It's a thought control experiment and she's heavily brainwashed, just like everyone else from 33 except her brother.

Hank went to the surface after Lucy's mom took the kids and ran. Went up there with pre-war knowledge, and may well have known where an unused bomb in the area was. Or may not have actually done the nuking, but rather, it may have been coincidental timing.

And I have doubts that Hank works for House. I think he's heading for Vegas because he's targetted by the NCR's remnants, is a compromised Vault-Tec asset (which may also make him a target of the Enclave remnants), survived the most skilled bounty hunter in the area and the BoS by /stealing power armor from a dead knight/, which means he's now high on the BoS hitlist...

Dude is desperate. If Vegas is abandoned from some disaster, then it's a place to lay low, far enough from his immediate threat's reach. If House is still running it, he might offer everything he knows for protection. If it's run by Yes Man, then he may be hoping to blend in with the locals and vanish.

[jeem9000]

Originally posted by fmalfeas:

Didn't Lucy say there's like 50 people in 33? That's not a breeding vault. It's a thought control experiment and she's heavily brainwashed, just like everyone else from 33 except her brother.

I don't remember her saying that, I've heard the vaults would hold 200 people. But maybe she's saying there are 50 left after the attack? Anyway, I am saying if your theory is correct how does that explain Hank having the ability to nuke Shady Sands? If Bud was a lab rat, then, as one of Bud's buds, he should also be a lab rat.

Hank went to the surface after Lucy's mom took the kids and ran. Went up there with pre-war knowledge, and may well have known where an unused bomb in the area was. Or may not have actually done the nuking, but rather, it may have been coincidental timing.

He pretty much admitted he nuked Shady Sands, and said he made the right decision. And how would his pre-war knowledge be of any use after 200+ years, after the the Great War? That wouldn't make sense.

And I have doubts that Hank works for House. I think he's heading for Vegas because he's targetted by the NCR's remnants, is a compromised Vault-Tec asset (which may also make him a target of the Enclave remnants), survived the most skilled bounty hunter in the area and the BoS by /stealing power armor from a dead knight/, which means he's now high on the BoS hitlist...

Dude is desperate. If Vegas is abandoned from some disaster, then it's a place to lay low, far enough from his immediate threat's reach. If House is still running it, he might offer everything he knows for protection. If it's run by Yes Man, then he may be hoping to blend in with the locals and vanish.

The ghoul said he's running back to the people pulling the strings, and that makes sense. Why would he run all the way to Vegas to lay low? The wasteland is full of places to lay low. And how would he know the state of Vegas? He's been in a vault all this time. If he had that information, then someone from the outside was feeding him that information. I doubt he'd blend in with the locals and vanish. That'd mean his plot line would go nowhere.

[Bored Peon]

Originally posted by fmalfeas:

Hank went to the surface after Lucy's mom took the kids and ran. Went up there with pre-war knowledge, and may well have known where an unused bomb in the area was. Or may not have actually done the nuking, but rather, it may have been coincidental timing.

Could also have been the form one of the three silos in Appalachia, if they go back to Enclave control in the future/past of Fallout 76.

Originally posted by jeem9000:

Why would he run all the way to Vegas to lay low?

Hank is most likely running to House for something. Which will be interesting because House's lore said he had a falling out with the other Enclave members.

Originally posted by jeem9000:

And how would he know the state of Vegas?

Being in a vault does not mean information cannot reach you. Wilzig knew who Lucy was and where she was from, which means the vault had contact with the outside.

Moldaver also had compromised the vault communications to be able to intercept and present herself as the Vault 32 overseer.

Originally posted by jeem9000:

I doubt he'd blend in with the locals and vanish. That'd mean his plot line would go nowhere.

Vanishing probably aint in his agenda and he may not need to depending upon how House greets him. Probably be a good idea to ditch the power armor if trying to lay low, lol.

[Crowsy]

For me saying that vaults 32 & 33 were meant for breeding and keeping them separate was propaganda for the vault dwellers. I think we will learn of the true agenda in the next series.

The inbreeding in those two vaults were very high as Lucy herself alluded too. Was that the real experiment 'inbreeding'?