Can anyone explain

[Moo]

What the deal is with Vault 32 in the TV show. I feel like there are lots of problems with vault 32, what they showed us in the TV show doesn't seem to make sense. Like, how would they not know everyone was killed in that vault for at least 2 years? Doesn't the Overseer report back to vault 31? And who restored vault 32 back to a habitable state? There's no one from vault 31 to do that. If people from vault 33 cleaned it up, it would require a lot manpower. Betty and Stephanie would not have been able to do it themselves. And if lots of other are involved in the cleanup, then pretty much everyone in vault 33 would know what happened in vault 32, there's no way to keep it a secret.

[Moo]

Origineel geplaatst door Shadow:

The nobility of their mission has been violently ripped away from them. Where once they thought the vault was a generational project to preserve humanity after a horrible disaster, instead it turns out to be a plot by evil megalomaniacs bent on world domination through genocide. On top of that, it turns out that those very same SOBs are not only still alive, but have been manipulating the vaults for their own purposes for the residents' entire lives. Even the elections for overseer have been orchestrated so that the vault 31 plant always wins.

How would anyone know about what Vault-Tec actually did? I doubt even the "executive assistants" would know the true inner workings at the highest echelon of Vault-Tec. All vault 32 residents would know is a Vault-Tec manager would lead the reclamation effort. I don't see why that would lead to a violent revolt.

[Crowsy]

Weren't the 'raiders' in vault 32 the NCR? I think the OP's question is a plot hole the more you think on it the more it makes no sense.

If vault 32 and 33's job was to repopulate the wasteland then why were the vaults separate? If they were allowed to mix freely then there would be a bigger gene pool?

Lucy alluded to the problem of inbreeding with the comment about 'messing about with my cousin'.

[Cor.]

Origineel geplaatst door Crowsy:

Weren't the 'raiders' in vault 32 the NCR? I think the OP's question is a plot hole the more you think on it the more it makes no sense.

If vault 32 and 33's job was to repopulate the wasteland then why were the vaults separate? If they were allowed to mix freely then there would be a bigger gene pool?

Lucy alluded to the problem of inbreeding with the comment about 'messing about with my cousin'.

so they could selectively engineer the new population.

If they wee connected, it would of been uncontrolled.

[Shadow]

Origineel geplaatst door jeem9000:

How would anyone know about what Vault-Tec actually did?

One simple explanation is Moldaver. She got into 32 and told them about it. As long as her story was even semi credible, it would be enough to cause some folks to start asking uncomfortable questions. Questions that would naturally point people at the overseer and the overseer's terminal, which would have records substantiating her claims.

Even if she had concrete proof of her claims though, this would likely still only lead to a situation where half the vault believed her and half didn't. Arguments ensue, tempers rise, eventually somebody throws a punch and everything goes to hell after that.

[Death Approaches]

they leave so much unsaid, we're just supposed to assume... when the kid asks Betty what happened to mom's pip-boy, and we know Mol has mom propped in a chair in her lair, and we know all 3 of them, mom Mol and Coop, are all pre-war cryos... who knows? wouldn't she have had her own pip-boy, then? Not to mention opening a vault door is noisy and sets off alarms. She sure didn't live hundreds of years looking roughly the same as prewar times and not ghoulified without being frozen, anyway... but not explained. maybe (insert hypothesis #39 here)

It's also just bad story/design, vault-tec might have intended them to stay independent and keep pumping out cryo replacements when people kick or get killed, but when lucy leaves she does so from an elevator to a vault entrance area, which would imply there would be two other elevators or a common area below, or maybe a separate sneaky secret entrance for the nefarious cryo vault, but again, the kid just walks over... and why would they kill each other, kill themselves trying to get in because "we know what's in there" - what, frozen people? BFD. the implication is resources. there has to be another lie and another lie and another lie. it's vault-tec afterall.

I think this is what they want, us coming up with random hypothesis and wild conjecture.

[PeaceMaker]

It's never great writing when one has to head-cannoning why something isn't making sense.

The show itself was better than I expected, I expected to quit after the first half-hour, but that don't really mean much, since I kept my expectations very, very low. I barely watch anything on tv now cos it's so vacuous and ideologically-filled nonsense instead of just giving me a good story in another world and time. Only now when I look into the details that I start to see the bits that don't make sense.

I'm sure I'll be called a `hater` cos I dare to criticise the show.

[Shadow]

Origineel geplaatst door Crowsy:

If vault 32 and 33's job was to repopulate the wasteland then why were the vaults separate? If they were allowed to mix freely then there would be a bigger gene pool?

Actually that bit was more or less explained in the series. The purpose of dividing them into 31, 32 and 33 was to isolate and hopefully prevent any catastrophic damage from destroying the entire project. If a plague were to spread in one vault, for example, then hopefully it wouldn't affect the other two because they were cut off from each other. This was illustrated in the show with the 32 "residents" mentioning there being a problem with their crops. That problem was prevented from spreading to 33 because there was no cross contamination.

Although later it turned out that the crops died because nobody was tending to them, but the point still stands.

[Knavenformed]

All of the overseers are "Bud's Buds"
The voting is a scam, all overseers of 33/32 are from 31 and they are mutually in the know of what happens anyways so they just need to keep the populace of 33 under the illusion of fair vault life.

The overnight cleanup was a bit odd, but probably Bud has some other service robots around even if they only showed his little brain-roomba

[dolmore]

Games/books are written for the sake of the player/reader. Films/TV shows are written for the sake of the actors. It's why adaptions for the screen of existing books/games rarely ever follow the original material. There's an old saying in writing circles that goes "a good story can overcome a bad performance, but a great performance can't overcome a bad story." Hollywood has never understood that.

[TemplarGR]

Guys, the issue with discussions like these, is that it is only season 1, and there are many things to be revealed in later seasons... Right now there are many questions because there are many details not yet revealed. The key question is this:

- What was the experiment in Vault 33?

That question was asked by the Overseer of Vault 4 to Lucy, and she replied "there was no experiment", but she is naive, there WAS an experiment. And i think that is going to be the big reveal in later seasons.... There is a reason the showrunners made the Overseer to ask that question, to make the viewers suspect that there might be more than meets the eye in those Vaults, and contrary to popular belief, they are NOT the "good" vaults.

Another clue that leads to that conclusion is that Cooper's wife and daughter were supposed to be in the "good vaults" because she had secured a place there. If his family is not in Vault 31, that means those weren't meant to be part of the "good" vaults. Hank was a low manager in the company, so he didn't secure a good vault... Bud was just the head of the experiment, that is why he is there.

We could only speculate on what was the experiment. Obviously it has something to do with population control and the "rat outopia" experiment, and the vaults are designed to shuffle populations back and forth (vault 33 gets the naive, loyal citizens and vault 32 gets the problematic, trouble maker citizens) to find the perfect candidates for their outopia or something like that. If that's the case, it makes sense that they have made plans on how to clean up the vaults fast for each reshuffle, either with robots or with frozen/covert (like with the medical experiment in Fallout 4) scientists in hidden compartments between the vaults.

As for the Raiders getting in unnoticed, most vault dwellers were naive because they didn't have enemies and didn't suspect any foul play. Communication between the vaults was mostly kept to a minimum as part of the experiment. Vault Tec likely didn't want one vault's population to influence the other in any way, shape, or form, in order to not ruin the experiment, therefore they gave strict guidelines to avoid communication unless in case of an emergency.

[Bored Peon]

Origineel geplaatst door Death Approaches:

...and we know all 3 of them, mom Mol and Coop, are all pre-war cryos... who knows?

Four, the one eyed chick was form Vault 31 as well, that was why she was elected Overseer.

Origineel geplaatst door TemplarGR:

- What was the experiment in Vault 33?

That question was asked by the Overseer of Vault 4 to Lucy, and she replied "there was no experiment", but she is naive, there WAS an experiment.

Technically there was no experiments in Vault 32 and 33 because they were control vaults. Manipulating overseers to be in charge is not technically an experiment.

[TemplarGR]

Origineel geplaatst door Bored Peon:

Origineel geplaatst door Death Approaches:

...and we know all 3 of them, mom Mol and Coop, are all pre-war cryos... who knows?

Four, the one eyed chick was form Vault 31 as well, that was why she was elected Overseer.

Origineel geplaatst door TemplarGR:

- What was the experiment in Vault 33?

That question was asked by the Overseer of Vault 4 to Lucy, and she replied "there was no experiment", but she is naive, there WAS an experiment.

Technically there was no experiment sin Vault 32 and 33 because they were control vaults. Manipulating overseers to be in charge is not technically an experiment.

No one ever said that 32 and 33 were control vaults. This is something YOU speculate. At no place in the show was mentioned that 32 and 33 were control vaults.

In fact, the whole setup betrays the opposite, they were experiment vaults, not control vaults. And that explains many things:

1) Why they haven't let the dwellers out in the real world for so long. The world outside has been rebuilt already and they are still waiting for future generations to "save America", which is a lie their overseers tell them to keep them content.

2) Vaults 31-32-33 are the only known vaults to be in a trinity. This actually is a strong indicator that they are part of an experiment. The graphic at the wall in the show, shows the 3 vaults and arrows indicating constant exchanges of people between those 3 vaults. They are likely attempting to create/breed a new type of people, who will be loyal to Vault Tek. They occasionally shuffle the trouble rousers to Vault 32, and eventually they revolt and kill each other. Probably Vault 31 is studying how they rebel in order to develop new techniques to quell rebellions... They are also studying on how to prevent the population to realize they are in a tyranny.

3) The doctor from the Enclave, knew what the experiment in Vault 33 was. Vault 33 was supposed to contain the good, loyal, naive people, obedient people. That is why he insisted on Lucy going home, because he knew Lucy would be out of her element there. Eventually though, when he realized he needed her, he complimented her a lot in order to make her do his bidding. He complimented her desire to do the right thing (which is something that is bred to her by the vault experiment)

[TemplarGR]

Also, another strong indicator that Vaults 31-32-33 are experiment vaults and not control vaults, is the Fallout franchise tradition that every game that starts in a vault, it is always an experiment vault, we have never began as a control vault dweller. Fallout 1, Fallout 3, and Fallout 4, had player characters who began inside an experiment vault. Fallout 2 and New Vegas didn't have vault dwellers as player characters.

So it stands to reason that Bethesda, in order to keep the spirit of the franchise to the TV show, they made Lucy begin in an experiment vault.

[Death Approaches]

Origineel geplaatst door PeaceMaker:

I expected to quit after the first half-hour, but that don't really mean much, since I kept my expectations very, very low. I barely watch anything on tv now cos it's so vacuous and ideologically-filled nonsense

I think it's also our bingeing, streaming content mentalities these days post-COVID lockdown... we have about 0.0s attention span for dumb stuff, repetitious stuff, slow-burn stuff without intrigue or plot-driven characters, etc. you can assess a show in the time of what would be a broadcast first commercial break, and decide in those ~28 minutes... nope, yep, hell yes!, maybe the rest of this episode, maybe 3 eps but that's contingent on not getting bored and playing tablet/phone games half-assed watching... etc.

I think that's just illuminating the terrain we currently find ourselves deployed. There is a lot of trash out here.

[Moo]

Bud said 32 and 33 were breeder vaults. They were supposed to provide a population for the people in vault 31 to have children with, so Vault-Tec's descendants would repopulate the surface. Vault-Tec obviously don't want to be doing nasty experiments with the population they will be breeding with.