Can anyone explain

[jeem9000]

What the deal is with Vault 32 in the TV show. I feel like there are lots of problems with vault 32, what they showed us in the TV show doesn't seem to make sense. Like, how would they not know everyone was killed in that vault for at least 2 years? Doesn't the Overseer report back to vault 31? And who restored vault 32 back to a habitable state? There's no one from vault 31 to do that. If people from vault 33 cleaned it up, it would require a lot manpower. Betty and Stephanie would not have been able to do it themselves. And if lots of other are involved in the cleanup, then pretty much everyone in vault 33 would know what happened in vault 32, there's no way to keep it a secret.

[Shadow]

We don't know how often the overseers communicate with each other. There's likely no need for regular communication, since each vault is self sufficient. We do know there's some kind of annual exchange between vaults, but we don't know how often those happen either.

As for manpower to clean everything up, plenty of potential labor in 31. Just unthaw the residents, put them to work scrubbing floors and tossing bodies into the compost bin, then put them back in the refrigerators.

[PeaceMaker]

You're right. It don't make sense. For instance when the Raiders disguised as vault dwellers appear didn't they test them at all for Radiation first as they enter? Only Lucy decided to do that, but shouldn't that have been standard for everyone? Even in the game if you enter say vault 81 there's a radiation check to make sure you pass.

Even for naive vault dwellers that's very careless. Radiation checking of anyone coming in from outside should be standard.

[Ihateeverybody]

Valid points. I cannot offer any explanation that wouldn't require further explanations of other points I introduce.

1. Repairing Vault 32 could have been done by Mr.Handy's or other Autamaton's Available from Vault 31. Yes this would require even more explaining of why's and what ifs. I don't think its a logical answer path.

2. With regard to lack of Vault 32 contact I have nothing. False reporting doesn't make sense because someone would have had to set it up. Vault 31 KNOWing about it would entail even more questions of why did they allow the Bandits into Vault 33

So yeah good points. I actually do have an explanation but its unsatisfying. The guy in 31 was BORED. SOOOOOOO BORED. Wanted to see what would happen.

[Ihateeverybody]

Originally posted by Shadow:

We don't know how often the overseers communicate with each other. There's likely no need for regular communication, since each vault is self sufficient. We do know there's some kind of annual exchange between vaults, but we don't know how often those happen either.

As for manpower to clean everything up, plenty of potential labor in 31. Just unthaw the residents, put them to work scrubbing floors and tossing bodies into the compost bin, then put them back in the refrigerators.

I considered that, however the people in Vault 31 were not the sorts of people who could/would do that. Some of the things needed done in 32 require actual skills 31's would not possess. Though you could argue they did it poorly which allowed (I can't recall his name) to see the signs of the repairs.

[Shadow]

Originally posted by PeaceMaker:

You're right. It don't make sense. For instance when the Raiders disguised as vault dwellers appear didn't they test them at all for Radiation first as they enter? Only Lucy decided to do that, but shouldn't that have been standard for everyone? Even in the game if you enter say vault 81 there's a radiation check to make sure you pass.

Even for naive vault dwellers that's very careless. Radiation checking of anyone coming in from outside should be standard.

No need to because they weren't coming from outside. They're from another vault separated by nothing more than a short hallway. It's not like they had to march across the wasteland to get there. No reason to suspect radiation exposure at all.

[PeaceMaker]

Originally posted by Shadow:

Originally posted by PeaceMaker:

You're right. It don't make sense. For instance when the Raiders disguised as vault dwellers appear didn't they test them at all for Radiation first as they enter? Only Lucy decided to do that, but shouldn't that have been standard for everyone? Even in the game if you enter say vault 81 there's a radiation check to make sure you pass.

Even for naive vault dwellers that's very careless. Radiation checking of anyone coming in from outside should be standard.

No need to because they weren't coming from outside. They're from another vault separated by nothing more than a short hallway. It's not like they had to march across the wasteland to get there. No reason to suspect radiation exposure at all.

Really? So how come they never recognised that the people so close to them were all raiders?

[Shadow]

Originally posted by Ihateeverybody:

I considered that, however the people in Vault 31 were not the sorts of people who could/would do that. Some of the things needed done in 32 require actual skills 31's would not possess. Though you could argue they did it poorly which allowed (I can't recall his name) to see the signs of the repairs.

What skills are you referring too? Using a mop and bucket? The proper grip for holding a paintbrush? While I agree that a bunch of bigwig executives who grew up being pampered by their rich daddies probably wouldn't be familiar with these things, you have to remember that these aren't all execs. They're "Bud's buds." Basically interns he was grooming for future executive duties. And as we all know, interns are very familiar with doing the crap work nobody else wants to do.

[Shadow]

Originally posted by PeaceMaker:

Originally posted by Shadow:

No need to because they weren't coming from outside. They're from another vault separated by nothing more than a short hallway. It's not like they had to march across the wasteland to get there. No reason to suspect radiation exposure at all.

Really? So how come they never recognised that the people so close to them were all raiders?

Because, again, lack of communication between vaults. The overseer is the only one with a com line, and they don't talk much between vaults. All the other residents never see the ones in other vaults beyond the rare occasions when an exchange happens.

[PeaceMaker]

Originally posted by Shadow:

Originally posted by PeaceMaker:

Really? So how come they never recognised that the people so close to them were all raiders?

Because, again, lack of communication between vaults. The overseer is the only one with a com line, and they don't talk much between vaults. All the other residents never see the ones in other vaults beyond the rare occasions when an exchange happens.

Thanks for explanation, although i find that rather weak of Vault dwellers to be so out of touch with eachother so close that they can't recognise their own from Raiders. Don't make sense to me. Weak writing in that case.

[Hamless Hog]

Originally posted by jeem9000:

What the deal is with Vault 32 in the TV show. I feel like there are lots of problems with vault 32, what they showed us in the TV show doesn't seem to make sense. Like, how would they not know everyone was killed in that vault for at least 2 years? Doesn't the Overseer report back to vault 31? And who restored vault 32 back to a habitable state? There's no one from vault 31 to do that. If people from vault 33 cleaned it up, it would require a lot manpower. Betty and Stephanie would not have been able to do it themselves. And if lots of other are involved in the cleanup, then pretty much everyone in vault 33 would know what happened in vault 32, there's no way to keep it a secret.

its would seem the vault 33 overseers have been keeping secrets about vault 32.

[jeem9000]

The other question I have is: why would vault 32 residents revolt in the first place? Vault 32 and 33 are supposed to be breeder vaults. Everyone in vault 33 understands their mission is to repopulate the surface when the time comes. That is also the goal of Vault-Tec, so their mission is aligned. What could have triggered vault 32 to kill everyone? Doesn't seem to make sense. The fact that Vault-Tec leaders would be spearheading the repopulation of the surface would seem perfectly acceptable and logical to the the residents of 32 and 33, I don't see why they would revolt and kill everyone.

[Ihateeverybody]

Originally posted by Shadow:

Originally posted by Ihateeverybody:

I considered that, however the people in Vault 31 were not the sorts of people who could/would do that. Some of the things needed done in 32 require actual skills 31's would not possess. Though you could argue they did it poorly which allowed (I can't recall his name) to see the signs of the repairs.

What skills are you referring too? Using a mop and bucket? The proper grip for holding a paintbrush? While I agree that a bunch of bigwig executives who grew up being pampered by their rich daddies probably wouldn't be familiar with these things, you have to remember that these aren't all execs. They're "Bud's buds." Basically interns he was grooming for future executive duties. And as we all know, interns are very familiar with doing the crap work nobody else wants to do. :Owlcat_wink:

Basic Carpentry skills (which aren't so basic). Window Repairs. Removing Smoke Damage. Replacing all the Smashed and broken Machinery.

I mean what was the Timeline between their trip inside and the Vault being Refurbrished?

[craldark]

Don't take the fiction literally: it's a caricaturesque fantasy. Picking holes is like trying to understand why Road Runner doesn't get arrested for his crimes against Wile E. Coyote, or how come Cinderella's fairy godmother's magic spell stopped at midnight, or why Dumbledore dumped a baby on a doorstep in the middle of a cold November night with a note to Petunia saying 'btw your sister's dead and you've got to look after the kid whether you want to or not because I'm a headmaster and I say so.' Makes no sense for such a caring person.

[Bored Peon]

The two years of no contact between 32 and 33 I can somewhat understand.

Now between 31 and 32 is a different story. After the incident 31 should have cleaned it up and repopulated the vault from those in stasis. So that means someone had to say eveyrthign was okay.

Now the other explanation could be that Moldaver brought in some sort of biohazard and infected the residents then sealed them back up. Then Moldaver had the communication re-fed to a pipboy to maintian communication (Overseer's most likely, Rose's was used to gain entry.)

I mean think about it, Hank talks to Vault 32 to do the exchange for Lucy's husband, and SOMEONE messaged him back. Seeming how it is a chat type communication no guarantee the right person is on the other end.

[Shadow]

Originally posted by jeem9000:

The other question I have is: why would vault 32 residents revolt in the first place? Vault 32 and 33 are supposed to be breeder vaults. Everyone in vault 33 understands their mission is to repopulate the surface when the time comes. That is also the goal of Vault-Tec, so their mission is aligned. What could have triggered vault 32 to kill everyone? Doesn't seem to make sense. The fact that Vault-Tec leaders would be spearheading the repopulation of the surface would seem perfectly acceptable and logical to the the residents of 32 and 33, I don't see why they would revolt and kill everyone.

The nobility of their mission has been violently ripped away from them. Where once they thought the vault was a generational project to preserve humanity after a horrible disaster, instead it turns out to be a plot by evil megalomaniacs bent on world domination through genocide. On top of that, it turns out that those very same SOBs are not only still alive, but have been manipulating the vaults for their own purposes for the residents' entire lives. Even the elections for overseer have been orchestrated so that the vault 31 plant always wins.

Everything they believed in has been a lie. That's historically always been more than enough to trigger violent uprisings.