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Technically those who use non CC stuff, are breaking the law themselves, as are those who write the mods.
If anything Bsoft could sue the 3rd party MOD makers, and any users, for breaking both the TOS and E.U.L.A.
How-ever there has been a issue, that could be suable, by the players, and thats concering the CC shop it's self, unless they've fixed it, when u brought CC creds, you wouldn't actually get any CC creds, this is illegal because you are buying a service, that wasn't delivered, so under consumer law, we have every right to sue Bsoft over that.
Not that i have the money to press a lawsuit against Bsoft, so i'll jus shut up, an not by any more CC stuff, an head straight for the 3rd party.
So anything made with Creation Kit would break TOS? I don't understand.
Also, unless you're talking about stuff you bought now being free, I've never heard if ppl not getting credits not have I had problems redeeming them. Just sayin'.
How-ever distributing those MODS, could probably be grounds for Bsoft to sue, since it's no longer "Personal use" as it were.
How-ever since u dont have to pay for the kit, I'm not sure we have any grounds to sue.
I've never used the kit, so i have no idea, what changes your talking about or what E,U.L.A govens said kit.
That said, if bsfot released the kit, then did something with the code, that stopped said kit from working, then we MIGHT have a case, maby, see it's a "free service".
Should be noted, under law, they can change their TOS and E.U.L.A pretty much at will, the onus is on us, the user to keep up to date.
EDIT Missed oart of your comment, great, glad u got ya credits, there's been lots of reports in this forum that people havent, ME included..
Obvisloy since I didnt get my creds the last time, i never brought any again, so i'd have no idea, they fixed the issue.. I will ask, when did u purchese said Credits? the issue started after the skyrim update.
In my opinion, the "free service" in this case would have to be maintaining the servers. The creation kit itself is the means to create mods.
I feel that changing the game's code in a specific way that alters the base function of Creation Kit is actionable as it renders a base service that's already been purchased in way way that makes it nonfunctional (examine script extenders specifically for my example).
Say you bought a toy on the premise that you could make it your own using the tools provided by the company and the company changed the toy so that the tools no longer work even though you've already paid for it. That seems actionable to me.
Again, my specific example is how Bethesda altered the base game of Fallout 4 in a way that breaks mods used with creation kit.
Again, seems like a 76 situation where they can fix it or pay to me.
I don't mean to be rude but please stay on topic.
For sake of argument, assume everyone bought a physical copy. I don't see how that's relevant, but I'd like to try and stay focused.
"Say you bought a toy on the premise that you could make it your own using the tools provided by the company and the company changed the toy so that the tools no longer work even though you've already paid for it. That seems actionable to me."
That is covered by a different law, so it's a false equivalency, but yes, you would have the right to sue said toy company.
Again I'm not farmiler with wot 76 did, since i don't have it, all I can do, is respomd yo what you write.
BTW I am staying on topic, you don't seem to realise how vast the "Electronic consumer law" is.
As an aside, I'd like to say that I think this is the easiest way to clean up slooty mods and frankly, I'm for it. However, this action ropes in waaaaaaaay too many of the clean mods that breathe so much life into this game. It may be said in the that maybe this is a way to push players onto newer releases. However, I would say that solo player don't want an online multi player and sometimes IP matters. Also, sometimes releasing half a buggy mess and calling it a game isn't going to inspire ppl to throw down $80.
I'd prefer they just let us geezers play our ancient game. However, sometimes that means advocating for someone to make Bethesda pay enough money to make Microsoft irritated.
Anyways, thanks for discussing this. I'm eager to see what others might have to say. I hope you luck with your credits. I wasn't aware that Skyrim had been updated. Also, I bought my credits last November (2023 incase this stays up). Had to have that minute men quest. It wasn't that good of a quest imo, but it adds Quincy back into the game a little and having the paint is good too. Blew the rest on pip boy skins.
Have a day! I didn't think I was hurting anyone on Steam by discussing this.
Well, that still brings us back to the original argument that Bethesda broke Creation Kit which was part of the original game, thus being actionable blah blah..
They also have full control over their servers and can delete any mods on bathesda.net that violate TOS. They can't break the law bc they can't control nexus, imo.
Again, have a good day!
You bought a license to use the game, not the game itself.
Game code is Bethesdas properly,, and they are free to update their product at any time.
You accepted their tos by buying and installing the game.
Ok. I get it now. Thanks, voted as answer but no money for awards. (hence the salt and not just getting a new game lol)
((Also realised this is how DLC works))
(((I AM IGNORANT AF)))
Whenever I notice these posts mentioning "Class Action Lawsuit", (And it's not unique to Bethesda by a long shot) I get a vision of this bent over little character, dressed in a dirty vest and shorts, bent over their keyboard in front of their little computer, trying to play their precious little video game that cost them chump change to purchase, wanting to bring a multi billion $ corporation to justice for spoiling their leisure time.
The whole concept is laughable, it's like they read it somewhere, or seen it on TV; "Class Action Lawsuit".
If anyone, for whatever reason, intends to legally challenge a company worth Billions, they better start off with a war chest in the multiple millions, a crack team of very expensive legal experts, and 10 years of their life to dedicate to pursuing the action.
It does not bother me in the least that you like me less or more than whomever whatshisface on a gaming forum, the OP has no clue what they are on about.
For instance, devs go with updates doing some censorship nonsense, injecting agendas or removing content. Happened in many games. No devs were ever punished for it (and no, uplift in "negative reviews" barely matters). It's fine when a customer didn't yet buy the stuff and so is free to decide on a purchase. But when the purchase was already made - changing the product afterwards has a special name among the scamming schemes, it's called a rug pull.
Even the accepted answer in this thread casually glosses over this huge issue - i.e. the fact that modern concept of ownership was eroded so much that people started to understand "lease" / "rent" as said "ownership". When devs can roll out an update that outright breaks the game because they didn't test it on some particular systems and then not fix it for months because - who cares, no legal action is possible - that's too messed up.
The fact that experienced steam users always disable automatic updates and revoke permissions of the app to the game library is very telling. When one has to actively combat the very same features that are advertised as an advantage of the system in order to retain a semblance of ownership - you know things are rolling downhill and fast.