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Forced Updates ARE WRONG!!!!
Why are you updating my games without my consent? These are my games I bought them. You need to ask me if I want to update because thousands of us are putting allot of work modifying them, because the developers are selling half assed incomplete games. This is invasion of privacy and you people should be prosecuted for this.
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Fluffy_Llama Jun 19, 2024 @ 4:15pm 
we just lease the rights to use the game software, on steam we do not "own" jack sh*t

also it is easy to block updates if you took half the time to look it up that it took to write that rant
Originally posted by Sparklemuffin:
Why are you updating my games without my consent? These are my games I bought them. You need to ask me if I want to update because thousands of us are putting allot of work modifying them, because the developers are selling half assed incomplete games. This is invasion of privacy and you people should be prosecuted for this.
You cna get the unupdated game on GOG or check out on of the how-toes on rollback.
Sorry it happned to you.
Langkard Jun 19, 2024 @ 4:23pm 
Originally posted by Sparklemuffin:
Why are you updating my games without my consent? These are my games I bought them. You need to ask me if I want to update because thousands of us are putting allot of work modifying them, because the developers are selling half assed incomplete games. This is invasion of privacy and you people should be prosecuted for this.

Are you new to Steam? All games you buy here on Steam which get updates will be updated automatically unless you make the effort to keep it from happening. If you don't want automatic updates, you should choose some other source like GOG or learn to use your settings in Steam for the game.

Also, bug fixes require updates, so don't complain that companies don't fix bugs. You can't make both complaints at the same time.
Last edited by Langkard; Jun 19, 2024 @ 4:24pm
Fuhrer Jun 19, 2024 @ 4:23pm 
They warned you about this in advance, bro. Just turn off updates and don't launch it through Steam directly.
Zekiran Jun 19, 2024 @ 5:06pm 
"you people should be prosecuted"

Dude, you bought the game.

You're a customer, not a judge.

You have had more than a year and a half BEFORE the update dropped to prepare for the update.

MY game's been offline and protected the moment I knew the actual arrival date. What you were doing in the last 2 years is kinda on you.
Liquid Inc Jun 19, 2024 @ 5:27pm 
Originally posted by Sparklemuffin:
Why are you updating my games without my consent?

Umm, this is the entire reason that Steam exists...? Steam was made to keep games updated from the beginning...
Valve CHOOSES this method. There are other storefronts that don't, like GoG that was already mentioned by LangKard, but Steam has always been on the side of keeping things updated.

Back to Fallout 4, this update has been known to be coming for over a year. you'd have to have been living under the proverbial rock for that time to not know of it...
Zekiran Jun 19, 2024 @ 5:59pm 
Publishers choose to push their updates.

Steam enables them to do that. It also enables you to play those games even if they launched with bugs, which are then... y'know.

Patched.

Using steam to help deliver developers work to you, which you paid to get.

I gotta wonder whether people like this ever get insanely angry about recalls for car safety or items that are somehow dangerous and must be replaced. Like, "no, I want my broken stuff to stay broken!"

Now that said: we DID expect this update to break things, we did also expect it to fix some others. It ... did one of those things quite well. I get that you're angry OP.

But you don't get a say if you didn't actually pay attention before the fact and did nothing until now.
Last edited by Zekiran; Jun 19, 2024 @ 6:01pm
Odyne69 Jun 19, 2024 @ 6:01pm 
Wouldn't it just be easier to beg for clowns LOL?
Lord Nighthawk Jun 19, 2024 @ 6:20pm 
It´s service/support in both directions - customers get rid of bugs automatically and customers with patched software don´t report already fixed problems over and over to the publishers/developers again. Technically a win win.
Last edited by Lord Nighthawk; Jun 19, 2024 @ 6:20pm
GunSmithCat052 Jun 30, 2024 @ 11:10am 
same thing just happend to me just now i had made sure to set it so it would not update unless i launched it thro steam been playing the game thro the f4se ever since .took the steps to prevent the update 2 weeks before the they decided to release that sad of a excuse "next gen update" but as of today the game for what ever reason decided to Force update even tho i had set it to not update. now i have to use a downgrade mod thanks to u. this is not k.
Last edited by GunSmithCat052; Jun 30, 2024 @ 11:12am
Originally posted by Sparklemuffin:
Why are you updating my games without my consent? These are my games I bought them. You need to ask me if I want to update because thousands of us are putting allot of work modifying them, because the developers are selling half assed incomplete games. This is invasion of privacy and you people should be prosecuted for this.

It's almost two months after the fact, just update the game and move on with your life.

Or did it kill some precious mod you were married to?
If so, have a funeral, I'll send digital flowers.
Bullpup Jun 30, 2024 @ 12:07pm 
Originally posted by Zekiran:
Publishers choose to push their updates.

Corporations "choose" to do a lot of things that are against the consumer and pro them. It's up to the consumer or market regulator to say "hold it right there". Explaining how and why something happens doesn't mean that that something is right.

Originally posted by Zekiran:
I gotta wonder whether people like this ever get insanely angry about recalls for car safety or items that are somehow dangerous and must be replaced. Like, "no, I want my broken stuff to stay broken!"

Inappropriate analogy, there are never anti-consumer agendas pushed in car recalls, but there are in games.

Originally posted by Zekiran:
Dude, you bought the game.
You're a customer, not a judge.

Well if only a judge could have an opinion on what should be prosecuted then he would have no cases to judge because all potential plaintiffs would have no idea about whether a thing done to them by another person can be prosecuted since they are not a judge.

And people wonder why corporations dominate us and enslave us when they have so many beautiful free advocates.
Langkard Jun 30, 2024 @ 12:27pm 
Originally posted by Bullpup:
Corporations "choose" to do a lot of things that are against the consumer and pro them. It's up to the consumer or market regulator to say "hold it right there". Explaining how and why something happens doesn't mean that that something is right.

Corporations have one and only one legal responsibility, which was to my amazement discussed in the Fallout TV show. That responsibility is the fiduciary responsibility to the shareholder. Right or wrong, it's a fact of corporate capitalism.

Originally posted by Bullpup:

Inappropriate analogy, there are never anti-consumer agendas pushed in car recalls, but there are in games.

How is updating a game an "anti-consumer agenda"? It is literally the exact opposite. :steamfacepalm:

I wonder how many orders of magnitude worse the complaints would be if game studios acceded to your demands and never updated their games? I'm going to guess several orders of magnitude.
Last edited by Langkard; Jun 30, 2024 @ 12:27pm
bob Jun 30, 2024 @ 12:37pm 
Originally posted by Sparklemuffin:
Why are you updating my games without my consent? These are my games I bought them. You need to ask me if I want to update because thousands of us are putting allot of work modifying them, because the developers are selling half assed incomplete games. This is invasion of privacy and you people should be prosecuted for this.
You accept the terms and plus you have auto updated and they did give you a heads up that it was happening so maybe listen next time this is kinda how steam works
id795078477 Jun 30, 2024 @ 1:30pm 
Originally posted by Bullpup:
Well if only a judge could have an opinion on what should be prosecuted then he would have no cases to judge because all potential plaintiffs would have no idea about whether a thing done to them by another person can be prosecuted since they are not a judge.

And people wonder why corporations dominate us and enslave us when they have so many beautiful free advocates.

It's pointless to try arguing with people who are dead set on defending the practices of taking their own ownership rights away. Because no person in their right mind and sanity would take the side of an entity that actively seeks to limit, restrict or outright strip their rights.

People are trying to "prove the point" by referencing to EULAs and whatever other nonsense fine print - but those documents were written by the parties that stand to gain the most if those fine prints contain anti-consumer practices or otherwise erode ownership. It's already basically a given that nobody understands "to buy" should mean "to buy" and not "to rent" / "to purchase" should mean "to purchase" and not "to lease".

Corporation have won this won by a long shot at this point. If the customers whose rights they eroded and restricted are en-masse defending those practices, why would the corpos ever stop? Of course they would carry on with more and more nonsense as the clueless crowd cheers on just to prove the point to someone on the Internet who actually sees it for what it is.

Under the pretext of "updates" and forced removal of choice the corpos have control over the product after the deal was done. Nowhere else do we expect the vendor to change its mind and renege on the terms of the deal without any punishment. But here they can change the content, add, remove or alter stuff as they please with no repercussions. I don't know about you, but that doesn't sound like I own the thing, at all.

And - sure, people nod to "security updates" and whatever other nonsense. But there are plenty of examples when vendors pulled a fast on their consumers for entirely different reasons. Like - censoring FF7; for instance, I personally don't care about the content, but I do care about censorship and I'd never support a company that does that, so I'd never buy it in the first place. But - nope, they sold me the product uncensored, took my money and then reneged on the deal. And this is just the most innocent example.

And let's not go with "but disable updates" and "don't launch through steam" - this is half step short of "but it's in the fine print, you're to blame for not reading". Very few people are tech-savvy to do both and consistently. And even for those who are savvy, steam is known for forcing the updates even through the "no update" settings (especially when it updates itself and then conveniently "forgets" the settings). People should not be required to finish IT courses to have the right to exercise their ownership rights.

Besides, what's even the point in the distributing platform if its user has to actively fight against its features? At that point it's more secure to revert to physical carriers which can be neither altered nor taken away (at least not without doing something that will undoubtedly be a criminal offense)
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Date Posted: Jun 19, 2024 @ 4:12pm
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