Crash Before Reaching Vault

[Sparky862]

Clean install, no mods. When you have to run to the Vault after the news announcement, game crashes every time I reach the gravel road

[DarkPl4y3r]

Turn off Weapon Debris setting in the launcher options

[Equ1L1bR1sT]

Same.

Originally posted by DarkPl4y3r:

Turn off Weapon Debris setting in the launcher options

Bro, people are not so stupid. No one is shooting while you run from that yard. I have the same problem with that debris fully off.

[Löthar Storm]

Originally posted by Equ1L1bR1sT:

Bro, people are not so stupid. No one is shooting while you run from that yard. I have the same problem with that debris fully off.

yea, there's been plenty of stupid folks through the years though. that close to desktop is the most obvious indication that it's due to weapon debris setting.

[sdack]

Originally posted by Equ1L1bR1sT:

Same.

Originally posted by DarkPl4y3r:

Turn off Weapon Debris setting in the launcher options

Bro, people are not so stupid. No one is shooting while you run from that yard. I have the same problem with that debris fully off.

It has nothing to do with stupidity. It crashes for a lot of players who have an Nvidia card and weapon debris on while running up to the vault. The crash is not directly trigged by a weapon being fired. It looks like an initialisation error, maybe a use-after-free or other type of delayed crash within the NVFlex library.

[-={LG}=-]

Disable "Weapon Debris" in the video settings of the launcher.

[Equ1L1bR1sT]

nexusmods.com/fallout4/mods/48078
After installing third mod all my crashes on Nextgen Update was gone.

[miKKos]

1) It is outrageous Bethesda has not fixed Weapon Debris crash yet, and they are the one to blame, instead of calling a user "stupid" for just enabling an aparent safe option the game is providing. It is not mandatory for the user to know that option will crash their game.

2) Game is crashing a lot even with weapon debris off, I think always answering "turn off weapon debris" will help nobody. I've spent recently more than 60 hours in the game after the new patch and the game crashes quite frequently. Several times per day in my case. And yes, I have weapon debris disabled.

[-={LG}=-]

Originally posted by miKKos:

2) Game is crashing a lot even with weapon debris off, I think always answering "turn off weapon debris" will help nobody.

That may be true, after the update. I wouldn't know, I won't be installing it. In the past in nearly 100% of cases of crashing on the way to Vault 111 it was Weapon Debris.

[Equ1L1bR1sT]

Originally posted by miKKos:

1) It is outrageous Bethesda has not fixed Weapon Debris crash yet, and they are the one to blame, instead of calling a user "stupid" for just enabling an aparent safe option the game is providing. It is not mandatory for the user to know that option will crash their game.

2) Game is crashing a lot even with weapon debris off, I think always answering "turn off weapon debris" will help nobody. I've spent recently more than 60 hours in the game after the new patch and the game crashes quite frequently. Several times per day in my case. And yes, I have weapon debris disabled.

Only that dll file for F4se turns it off for real.

[sdack]

Originally posted by miKKos:

1) It is outrageous Bethesda has not fixed Weapon Debris crash yet, and they are the one to blame, instead of calling a user "stupid" for just enabling an aparent safe option the game is providing. It is not mandatory for the user to know that option will crash their game.

2) Game is crashing a lot even with weapon debris off, I think always answering "turn off weapon debris" will help nobody. I've spent recently more than 60 hours in the game after the new patch and the game crashes quite frequently. Several times per day in my case. And yes, I have weapon debris disabled.

Both is wrong.

The crash is not caused by Bethesda. The crash occurs in the NVFlex library. NVFlex is the technology behind weapon debris. It is a library developed by Nvidia for particle physics simulation. However, Nvidia has abandoned the project and the technology never made it past a release 1.2. Even when one can get the latest version from Nvidia still is nobody at Nvidia maintaining it, meaning, there is nobody fixing any bugs with the library. There is nothing Bethesda can do short of throwing it out of the game or writing their own particle simulation software. You can of course blame Bethesda or Nvidia for it. Blame whoever you want. It is not going to change anything. It is now a button and one can turn it on or off. Leave it off. It still works for some older GTX cards as the bug occurs mainly with newer GTX and RTX cards.

And weapon debris is by far the most common problem being reported here on the forums. So when then someone creates a thread, saying they have a crash and give little details then "turn off weapon debris" has been often a fitting answer.

If you then still have bugs, maybe take a step back, calm down and then start your own thread and ask for help. Only jumping into other threads, complaining about crashes, is not going to make any difference.

[Bones]

Originally posted by miKKos:

2) Game is crashing a lot even with weapon debris off, I think always answering "turn off weapon debris" will help nobody. I've spent recently more than 60 hours in the game after the new patch and the game crashes quite frequently. Several times per day in my case. And yes, I have weapon debris disabled.

OPs issue is different from yours. You say you crash often, this crash always happens the same way. You crash between leaving the house and getting to the vault. You don't even get to play for 5 minutes after leaving to go to the vault.

[Bored Peon]

Why dont you people go take it out on Bethesda Customer Support?
Weapon Debris has been an issue for almost NINE YEARS now.
The SMART thing would have been to TURN IT OFF BY DEFAULT in these last two patches.

[miKKos]

Originally posted by sdack:

Originally posted by miKKos:

1) It is outrageous Bethesda has not fixed Weapon Debris crash yet, and they are the one to blame, instead of calling a user "stupid" for just enabling an aparent safe option the game is providing. It is not mandatory for the user to know that option will crash their game.

2) Game is crashing a lot even with weapon debris off, I think always answering "turn off weapon debris" will help nobody. I've spent recently more than 60 hours in the game after the new patch and the game crashes quite frequently. Several times per day in my case. And yes, I have weapon debris disabled.

Both is wrong.

The crash is not caused by Bethesda. The crash occurs in the NVFlex library. NVFlex is the technology behind weapon debris. It is a library developed by Nvidia for particle physics simulation. However, Nvidia has abandoned the project and the technology never made it past a release 1.2. Even when one can get the latest version from Nvidia still is nobody at Nvidia maintaining it, meaning, there is nobody fixing any bugs with the library. There is nothing Bethesda can do short of throwing it out of the game or writing their own particle simulation software. You can of course blame Bethesda or Nvidia for it. Blame whoever you want. It is not going to change anything. It is now a button and one can turn it on or off. Leave it off. It still works for some older GTX cards as the bug occurs mainly with newer GTX and RTX cards.

And weapon debris is by far the most common problem being reported here on the forums. So when then someone creates a thread, saying they have a crash and give little details then "turn off weapon debris" has been often a fitting answer.

If you then still have bugs, maybe take a step back, calm down and then start your own thread and ask for help. Only jumping into other threads, complaining about crashes, is not going to make any difference.

You are completely missing the point.

Bethesda could have done SOMETHING to prevent the crash.

It is not they must fix the issue completely, but at least prevent the crash. The solution could be as simple as gray out the Weapon Debris option in the launcher if a non-GTX GPU is detected (same way in other games, DLSS is greyed out if you don't have a RTX card, for example).

They could have added different options variants, disabling collision of the particles could be one of them, making again the game not to crash (same that the mod is doing).

There are many solutions to prevent the crash by default, but the gray out option would be at least the bare minimum to do to prevent the game CRASH for most of the users which have no idea and by default they enable the option because hardware right now is more than capable to run this game at maximum settings. In game dev a crash like this is a major issue and should be fixed or sorted out some way.

The game currently is in a bad state, it crashes frequently, it has stuttering issues, and it has major issues like the weapon debris making the game crash for most of the non-informed users which are the majority.

Defending Bethesda blindly, saying everything is good, and suggesting to step back from playing the game won't change anything, we need to make Bethesda see the game needs some more patches. They are focusing on console versions and the next-gen patch for PC was a joke breaking a lot of mods, and not adding anything valuable on PC but breaking the game more.

[Bored Peon]

Originally posted by miKKos:

Defending Bethesda blindly....

We aint defending Bethesda, we are putting the blame on NVidia.
NVidia discontinued the Physicx/Flex system and refused to support the use of it by gamers AND developers.

Bethesda also blamed NVidia which is why Starfield supports AMD.

[miKKos]

Originally posted by Bored Peon:

Originally posted by miKKos:

Defending Bethesda blindly....

We aint defending Bethesda, we are putting the blame on NVidia.
NVidia discontinued the Physicx/Flex system and refused to support the use of it by gamers AND developers.

Bethesda also blamed NVidia which is why Starfield supports AMD.

Again, Bethesda could have done SOMETHING to prevent a CRASH almost by default.

Do we agree?