Suggs Bugs: freeze or CTD on killing Suggs

[The Inept European]

You can stealth kill Suggs and steal his stuff while he's in bleedout and he will still trade with you when he gets up. (You can trade him his own stolen gear back).

On the second or third time of stealth killing him (whether VATS or iron sights) the game freezes in the firing animation or blue screens. This is a no mods vanilla non-Survival run straight from the Vault to Suggs at level 1. 13 May update-update applied. PS4.

Does anyone else see this happening?

[The Inept European]

Just replicated this again. Starting right back in pre war Sanctuary Hills with again, no mods.

Second time Suggs dies, the game locks up during the 10mm firing animation.

[Tiretracker]

He's probably not intended to die at all, since he's the foremost gateway to the CC content he's involved with,

So, if for whatever reason he does, the game can't handle that and crashes, trying to refer to null data. I remember something similar with New Vegas involving noclipping and trying to kill an NPC inside the Ultraluxe before he performs his scripted event; killing him in his off-world holding cell almost immediately makes the game implode on the spot. After his scripts run, he's perfectly fine to be killed because there is code that says so.

Factor in this update first shipped with literal missing meshes with weapons firing debug error objects, and tons of broken spaghetti code that has affected the base game functionality, and Suggs being broken isn't all that surprising.

[Neo]

I had no idea who Suggs is, but looked it up. He's a npc merchant who was added in the "next gen update"

Just for all those peeps who were confused like me.

[The Inept European]

Oh sorry. Yes correct.

[Tiretracker]

You don't need to know much about the guy, its all in the name.

He Suggs.

[The Inept European]

LOL :-)

It sure Suggs if you kill him twice.

[The Inept European]

People on here are suggesting that since the update there could be some new grievous bug that is related to NPCs. I wonder if this Suggs bug is related.

[The Inept European]

I guess I should file this bug with Bethesda Support. In my capacity as an unpaid beta tester. 😁

[wtiger27]

That does not sound like a bug. It sounds like a player using a exploit which can cause issues. The way to steal stuff is in the game. And I am sure you know that friend. :)

[The Inept European]

Originally posted by wtiger27:

That does not sound like a bug. It sounds like a player using a exploit which can cause issues. The way to steal stuff is in the game. And I am sure you know that friend. :)

Don't follow you?
Kill this guy twice and the game freezes or blue screens. That's a bug not an exploit.

[The Inept European]

I just had another CTD just using Suggs weapon workbench. This was on a pure vanilla, never had any mods playthrough.

[wtiger27]

Originally posted by The Inept European:

Originally posted by wtiger27:

That does not sound like a bug. It sounds like a player using a exploit which can cause issues. The way to steal stuff is in the game. And I am sure you know that friend. :)

Don't follow you?
Kill this guy twice and the game freezes or blue screens. That's a bug not an exploit.

Why would you kill in the first place?

[wtiger27]

Originally posted by The Inept European:

I just had another CTD just using Suggs weapon workbench. This was on a pure vanilla, never had any mods playthrough.

Well, my encounters with him has been fine. But I don't try to kill him or use his workbench. lol.

[The Inept European]

Originally posted by wtiger27:

Originally posted by The Inept European:

Don't follow you?
Kill this guy twice and the game freezes or blue screens. That's a bug not an exploit.

Why would you kill in the first place?

That doesn't make it not a bug. Anyone killable is killable and he is killable. And he is meant to be killable, it's an alternate quest ending with a different outcome.

[The Inept European]

More generally, why would anyone kill a trader who has lots of exotic weapons but lives by himself in a garage in the middle of ruined Cambridge without any protection?