Is Bethesda allergic to success?

[Johto Gunner]

Might be a weird thing to say and I know this might be me sounding like a hater. Far from it. Look how many hours I have in this game. I love Fallout, and used to like Bethesda... but given how well the Next-Gen update is doing, it seems to me like they self-sabotage sometimes when they start to get any kind of success. Think of how well the Amazon Fallout show did. Love it or hate it it sparked an interest in Fallout from people who didn't really care about until recently.

What does Bethesda do? Give the game an update that breaks tons of mods but also ends up affecting the main game to the point where it can be unplayable. Starfield is a joke we won't even go into right now and Elder Scrolls just keeps rereleasing Skyrim with only a teaser that was showed a while back about ES6 and... nothing else but rumors.

Hell all they had to do with Fallout was just let people buy the games and enjoy them. Modding community already fixed the issues with these games and Vortex and even Bethesda themselves make adding mods to the games easy. So... why did they break what wasn't (relatively) broken? It's amazing how stupid the leadership at Bethesda is. I'd say they're the worst in the gaming industry... but I'd be lying because they have stiff competition in that category.

[milo29]

Under the control of Microsoft, bgs will probably now become more and more completely and definitely allergic to free mods and open source. They possibly also be pushed by authors from the creation club that whines because no one buy their paid mods. The word "free" will be soon banned from the bgs dictionnary.

[Empukris]

Looking at the current closure of studios, i dont think Bethesda in better hand. There is a lot potential still to be had with Fallout series. They just dont know how to monetised it.

[ZEFFIE]

I think they playing with borrowed time in terms of their Creation game engine. Its extremely dated and needs to be updated. For the most part they got it stable on Fallout76 and the modding community has done a tremendous job to "fill in the gaps".

I generally play Vanilla unless I want to check out the latest iteration of Sim Settlements or some of the expanded Manufacture mods.

I have managed to enjoy countless hours of entertainment with the title, so while its fine to express yr opinion, having a go at Elder Scroll 6 rumors is pretty trivial to support yr argument for Bethesda being a sh*t studio. FO4 is end of life and this most likely is the last updates that will be pushed thru.

Mod status quo will return to previous state in due course.

[_KC76_]

Originally posted by Johto Gunner:

Might be a weird thing to say and I know this might be me sounding like a hater. Far from it. Look how many hours I have in this game. .

You do sound like a (as you say it) "hater", and your games and hours are privated ...

You may not like things, but calling Bethesda "allergic to success", is kinda unintelligent-sounding. Even doing a half-arsed job, Bethesda is still far more successful, and far more profitable, than a good many other studios.

If you actually pay attention, and read the news articles, rather than just the headlines, you'd understand that the studios that Microsoft closed, where the ones with large budgets, but very few sales, and/or un-popular games .. One studio was Mobile Games (apps), and another literally had a SINGLE title that was slightly successful .. Bethesda Game Studio (aka Todd) on the other-hand, has the Fallout series (7 games and a TV show), the Elder Scrolls series (8 titles), and Starfield.

Are Bethesda games buggy, sure, but to call them "unsuccessful" is just being disingenuous.

[Pumpkin_Masher]

The show may have drummed up a ton of new players but the heavy modders are all going to be older players and not the new people. I have 2 computers that are playing vanilla Fallout 4 flawlessly.

[kelmenwong]

ppl generally use company/brand to rate products.

thing is same company is run by mr x, with committed employees devoted to make good product, hence the rise of the "company".

10 years later, same company. still run by mr x, but those devoted employees already out of play due to retrenchment or whatever reason, with zhitty staffs making whatever the product u getting now.

let's identify the real "contributors", praise these ppl, instead of the public image of big salesman/liar.

[Luminary]

It's actually a strait forward thought process... Free mods represent lost revenue, therefore if you stop mods you make more money.

Millions of people will still play this game and buy the next title no matter what, knowing this fact, MS is purposely breaking existing model. And because you can't measure what doesn't yet exist (future lost sales) There is no downside, there is only the next quarter.

Breaking mods is on purpose. Being jerks to their customers is on purpose. Preparing the future customers to have no expectation of ownership or control over the product they bought, is on purpose. This is the trend happening almost everywhere across all products, because the data will show that companies can make more profits using this model. And that because they keep buying their competition, customers will have no other choice. Pay their way or don't play at all.

They also know that it's helpful to have paid people on these forums, saying that it will all be OK

[Johto Gunner]

Originally posted by _KC76_:

Originally posted by Johto Gunner:

Might be a weird thing to say and I know this might be me sounding like a hater. Far from it. Look how many hours I have in this game. .

You do sound like a (as you say it) "hater", and your games and hours are privated ...

You may not like things, but calling Bethesda "allergic to success", is kinda unintelligent-sounding. Even doing a half-arsed job, Bethesda is still far more successful, and far more profitable, than a good many other studios.

If you actually pay attention, and read the news articles, rather than just the headlines, you'd understand that the studios that Microsoft closed, where the ones with large budgets, but very few sales, and/or un-popular games .. One studio was Mobile Games (apps), and another literally had a SINGLE title that was slightly successful .. Bethesda Game Studio (aka Todd) on the other-hand, has the Fallout series (7 games and a TV show), the Elder Scrolls series (8 titles), and Starfield.

Are Bethesda games buggy, sure, but to call them "unsuccessful" is just being disingenuous.

Except its more recent games haven't been all too successful. That's my point. More recently, Bethesda's been anything but competent. The Fallout 4 update broke their game on console, the very same systems that it was meant to try and benefit. Never mind the failure on PC which destroyed many mods and pushed back the highly anticipated Fallout London by God knows how long.

Starfield was also a failure on every front as it was the same outdated boring game design that Fallout 4 had only without the charm. At least Fallout 4 had great companions and a few great quests. I can't tell you what the whole point of Starfield was and that was their most recent game. 10 years for a game that was quickly forgotten about. And Fallout 4, even on launch wasn't anywhere near the game Fallout New Vegas was. Skyrim is amazing and all but it's also over a decade old and no sign of Elder Scrolls 6 is in sight.

I'm not being a hater, I'm being realistic. Bethesda has become a meme. A horrible meme that's up there with the likes of EA and Activison.

Being a blind fanboy doesn't change the fact that Bethesda has lost its touch. Like most Triple A companies these days. Just because I like a game series doesn't mean I can't call out the company that makes and/or publishes them. Prior to Amazon Fallout was Fallout 76 and the amount of issues and scummy practices that game had on launch destroyed any good will Bethesda had left.

Keep in mind, the Next-Gen update could be many people's first experience with Fallout. And Bethesda is ruining that experience when hey didn't have to do anything at all. Like if they didn't do the next-update, people would like Fallout 4, wish they could have something better because it's okay but not amazing. then discover the modding community and really get into Fallout.

They couldn't even do that right.

[Johto Gunner]

Originally posted by ℤ𝕖𝕗𝕗𝕚𝕖:

I think they playing with borrowed time in terms of their Creation game engine. Its extremely dated and needs to be updated. For the most part they got it stable on Fallout76 and the modding community has done a tremendous job to "fill in the gaps".

I generally play Vanilla unless I want to check out the latest iteration of Sim Settlements or some of the expanded Manufacture mods.

I have managed to enjoy countless hours of entertainment with the title, so while its fine to express yr opinion, having a go at Elder Scroll 6 rumors is pretty trivial to support yr argument for Bethesda being a sh*t studio. FO4 is end of life and this most likely is the last updates that will be pushed thru.

Mod status quo will return to previous state in due course.

Oh I agree 100%. The creation engine was showing its age even during older Fallout titles. With all the money they make, you'd think they'd be able to get a better engine or something.

However, I would argue that Starfield is a sign of things to come as I felt it was just Fallout 4 in space without any of the charm. The lore behind Starfield was bad. The companions bad. There were a few solid quests but I rarely found a reason to keep playing after about a week and the leveling system was horrible.

Starfield was meant to be a new IP something to wow people and show that Bethesda still has it. But it ended up being DOA and was more of the same for Bethesda. This is my concern for Elder Scrolls and Fallout. They worked one Starfield for 10 years and... well you see the results.

[Chris]

Originally posted by Luminary:

It's actually a strait forward thought process... Free mods represent lost revenue, therefore if you stop mods you make more money.

You don't have a clue what you're talking about.

[Cor.]

Updates break mods.

I'll repeat that.

Updates break mods.

This not just Bethesda.
The Fun Pimps for 7D2D new versions break mods.

Ark Breaks mods with their updates, and even further, their updates break game saves.

ANY game that allows modding breaks mods when they issue an update. that adds or takes things away.

The sooner people realize this, the better.

[A. Silvermane]

Bethesda Softworks?
Bethesda Game Studios?
Which Bethesda are we talking about here?

[_KC76_]

Originally posted by Johto Gunner:

Originally posted by _KC76_:

You do sound like a (as you say it) "hater", and your games and hours are privated ...

You may not like things, but calling Bethesda "allergic to success", is kinda unintelligent-sounding. Even doing a half-arsed job, Bethesda is still far more successful, and far more profitable, than a good many other studios.

If you actually pay attention, and read the news articles, rather than just the headlines, you'd understand that the studios that Microsoft closed, where the ones with large budgets, but very few sales, and/or un-popular games .. One studio was Mobile Games (apps), and another literally had a SINGLE title that was slightly successful .. Bethesda Game Studio (aka Todd) on the other-hand, has the Fallout series (7 games and a TV show), the Elder Scrolls series (8 titles), and Starfield.

Are Bethesda games buggy, sure, but to call them "unsuccessful" is just being disingenuous.

Except its more recent games haven't been all too successful. That's my point. More recently, Bethesda's been anything but competent. The Fallout 4 update broke their game on console, the very same systems that it was meant to try and benefit. Never mind the failure on PC which destroyed many mods and pushed back the highly anticipated Fallout London by God knows how long.

Starfield was also a failure on every front as it was the same outdated boring game design that Fallout 4 had only without the charm. At least Fallout 4 had great companions and a few great quests. I can't tell you what the whole point of Starfield was and that was their most recent game. 10 years for a game that was quickly forgotten about. And Fallout 4, even on launch wasn't anywhere near the game Fallout New Vegas was. Skyrim is amazing and all but it's also over a decade old and no sign of Elder Scrolls 6 is in sight.

I'm not being a hater, I'm being realistic. Bethesda has become a meme. A horrible meme that's up there with the likes of EA and Activison.

Being a blind fanboy doesn't change the fact that Bethesda has lost its touch. Like most Triple A companies these days. Just because I like a game series doesn't mean I can't call out the company that makes and/or publishes them. Prior to Amazon Fallout was Fallout 76 and the amount of issues and scummy practices that game had on launch destroyed any good will Bethesda had left.

Keep in mind, the Next-Gen update could be many people's first experience with Fallout. And Bethesda is ruining that experience when hey didn't have to do anything at all. Like if they didn't do the next-update, people would like Fallout 4, wish they could have something better because it's okay but not amazing. then discover the modding community and really get into Fallout.

They couldn't even do that right.

Your games and hours are still private/hidden, and everything you just said, is about YOUR feelings .. YOUR opinion .. You have provided no reason to believe you know what you're talking about, and resorted to calling people names, as if that makes you "right".

You clearly state how upset you are that "mods broke", and you clearly state how you misunderstand what the "Next Gen Update" actually is .. again expressing your FEELINGS, (based on your expectations without knowledge) about how the update "didn't do anything".

Oh, and if you think I am a "fanboy" of any Game Developer, you are more delusional than you appear to be, and should probably re-assess your perception of reality.

I never EXPECTED Bethesda to do anything "right", I never EXPECTED them to put out a game that was not full of bugs, and I never EXPECTED Bethesda to do anything .. because I have paid attention to Bethesda's history .. no matter how big their budget, or how creative their writers are, every game they release has problems of one sort or another, or has been released too early, and incomplete. But you know what else? Bethesda puts out games that very few other studios can rival.

You are upset, because you EXPECTED Bethesda to do something they never have before, and you got your feelings hurt, when Bethesda did what Bethesda does ... that's a you problem. Starfield is no different that previous titles. It has great potential, but they released it in an un-finished state. That is typical Bethesda practice, but YOU expected something different.

[_KC76_]

Originally posted by A. Silvermane:

Bethesda Softworks?
Bethesda Game Studios?
Which Bethesda are we talking about here?

Not sure about OP or others, but I was referring only to Bethesda Game Studios (Todd Howard directly involved).

Bethesda Softworks has far more titles under their brand than I mentioned above.