NEXT GEN?

[Stalwart87]

Still can't allow us to clean dirt and debris in settlements. What's next gen when old problems still persist like the finicky building system.

[EricHVela]

Next Gen is what they meant for consoles and UWS, nothing else.

The credits the update introduced call it the 2024 Update with no mention of next-gen anything. That's Bethsoft's tricky marketing. If you read the update and patch notes carefully, you'll see that their marketing never said the update would make things better on modern PC hardware.

We can't use the excuse of it being called next-gen when they spelled out what they think it means. We simply read stuff between the lines that just wasn't there. Bethsoft's been doing this tricky wording for bait-and-switch hype inflating.

[Zombie_Pizza]

its just pushing Content Creation mods nothing else. its still the same game as before the updates, just things are a bit more broken now. instead of working on getting the new games out, they rather keep updating old games. No one ever asked for these updates or CC mods being pushed, that in turn breaks the game beyond what was before. it will be the PC modding community that fixes the game yet again. all because of the updates to Xbox and PS 4 & 5, Fallout 4 on PC was broken and for some unplayable.

[[STD]Random Lead]

it is a patch not a remake of the game. Is your goal to troll with absurdity or is this really the capability of your mind?

[.:Jj:.]

Originally posted by Stalwart87:

Shouldn't call it next gen.

You seem to not understand what this thing is.
This update is a marketing stunt designed to revitalize word of mouth around Fallout IP, partially in conjunction with the release of the TV show, aimed at the next (current) gen consoles.
The Windows version of the game got it just by the way, mostly for the sake of getting an update so their PR doesn't have to deal with complaints on Twitter that PC is not getting anything.
How can an update on PC, a platform without the concept of generations, can be any 'gen'? Can you explain that?

It takes a handful of seconds to glance over update notes and come to the conclusion it's a very small update.
Your mistake is reading, uncritically, marketing labels and terms and not assuming it's total and complete bull$hit without any real meaning.

[Zombie_Pizza]

Originally posted by .:Jj:.:

Originally posted by Stalwart87:

Shouldn't call it next gen.

You seem to not understand what this thing is.
This update is a marketing stunt designed to revitalize word of mouth around Fallout IP, partially in conjunction with the release of the TV show, aimed at the next (current) gen consoles.
The Windows version of the game got it just by the way, mostly for the sake of getting an update so their PR doesn't have to deal with complaints on Twitter that PC is not getting anything.

How can an update on PC, a platform without the concept of generations, can be any 'gen'? Can you explain that?
It takes a handful of seconds to glance over update notes and come to the conclusion it's a very small update.

the update was pushed for xbox and PS, so it was also updated for PC and then patched. game is still broken, still has tons of bugs and now people with RTX cards are having issues they we not really having pre update and pre patch. this did PC users no good. in fact it did more harm than good. the old version was 1.10.163 the new updated version is 1.10.984 on PC

[.:Jj:.]

Originally posted by Zombie_Pizza:

the update was pushed for xbox and PS, so it was also updated for PC and then patched. game is still broken, still has tons of bugs and now people with RTX cards are having issues they we not really having pre update and pre patch. this did PC users no good. in fact it did more harm than good

Yes.
And what does it have to do with your initial question? Is 'next-gen' is a synonym for a 'game without bugs'? Did they promise anything about polish or bugs? It's a minor technical update, centered around performance and video modes for consoles when you get down to it.

It's a game from BGS. It was is and will remain a buggy, undercooked mess in many places, just like all of their games. They don't bother to even reach out to the creators of F4SE or community patch, to improve anything inside F4.

Fallout 4 was abandoned for many, many years. You're really not aware they do not give a flying fu.ck about these things?
The game was and is selling, above that- they have no pressure to do anything. Maybe the long-term critical flop of Starfield will result in some changes in Bethesda and inside of BGS.

[Zombie_Pizza]

Originally posted by .:Jj:.:

Originally posted by Zombie_Pizza:

the update was pushed for xbox and PS, so it was also updated for PC and then patched. game is still broken, still has tons of bugs and now people with RTX cards are having issues they we not really having pre update and pre patch. this did PC users no good. in fact it did more harm than good

Yes.
And what does it have to do with your initial question? Is 'next-gen' is a synonym for a 'game without bugs'? Did they promise anything about polish or bugs? It's a minor technical update, centered around performance and video modes for consoles when you get down to it.

It's a game from BGS. It was is and will remain a buggy, undercooked mess in many places, just like all of their games.

Fallout 4 was left on the side for many, many years. You're really not aware they do not give a flying ♥♥♥♥ about these things?
The game was and is selling, above that- they have no pressure to do anything. Maybe the long-term critical flop of Starfield will result in some changes in Bethesda and inside of BGS.

then PC should have been left alone, this was not for us. but we still got boned. this did nothing for us in any way. so why push a game breaking update and a game breaking patch, for me skyrim and fallout will never get an update. i pulled the app manifest files from steam. but i feel for all pc users boned buy Bugthesda. i will not be buying any game from them any more

[🆄🅽🅲🅻🅴 🅹🅾]

Originally posted by EricHVela:

Next Gen is what they meant for consoles and UWS, nothing else.

The credits the update introduced call it the 2024 Update with no mention of next-gen anything. That's Bethsoft's tricky marketing. If you read the update and patch notes carefully, you'll see that their marketing never said the update would make things better on modern PC hardware.

We can't use the excuse of it being called next-gen when they spelled out what they think it means. We simply read stuff between the lines that just wasn't there. Bethsoft's been doing this tricky wording for bait-and-switch hype inflating.

This is from news released on the update, dated April 11:

"Return to the Commonwealth April 25!

We are releasing a free Fallout 4 update for PC players! Experience Fallout 4 on your next-generation PC with widescreen and ultra-widescreen support, as well as fixes to Creation Kit and a variety of quest updates.

Players with PC versions of Fallout 4 on Steam, Microsoft Store and GOG will receive stability, mods and bug fixes."

When I read through the above, it explicitly refers to "next-generation PC's", and it combines the words "bug fixes" and "stability" in the same sentence as "PC versions" of the game.

Not sure about you, but my understanding of what I read is that the game was to be improved for next gen PC's.

I have not yet updated my game, so I cannot comment on what, if anything they fixed and/or improved, but the expectation from any reasonable player of FO4, based on the news release, is that the game would be improved for "next generation PC's".

[Empukris]

There are already dozens of blueprints and settlement mods which are all stop working thanks to the next gen update. All those bluprints and settlement pretty much doing that.

You still can try to use console command to remove it so there is that method.

[Zombie_Pizza]

Originally posted by 🆄🅽🅲🅻🅴 🅹🅾:

Originally posted by EricHVela:

Next Gen is what they meant for consoles and UWS, nothing else.

The credits the update introduced call it the 2024 Update with no mention of next-gen anything. That's Bethsoft's tricky marketing. If you read the update and patch notes carefully, you'll see that their marketing never said the update would make things better on modern PC hardware.

We can't use the excuse of it being called next-gen when they spelled out what they think it means. We simply read stuff between the lines that just wasn't there. Bethsoft's been doing this tricky wording for bait-and-switch hype inflating.

This is from news released on the update, dated April 11:

"Return to the Commonwealth April 25!

We are releasing a free Fallout 4 update for PC players! Experience Fallout 4 on your next-generation PC with widescreen and ultra-widescreen support, as well as fixes to Creation Kit and a variety of quest updates.

Players with PC versions of Fallout 4 on Steam, Microsoft Store and GOG will receive stability, mods and bug fixes."

When I read through the above, it explicitly refers to "next-generation PC's", and it combines the words "bug fixes" and "stability" in the same sentence as "PC versions" of the game.

Not sure about you, but my understanding of what I read is that the game was to be improved for next gen PC's.

I have not yet updated my game, so I cannot comment on what, if anything they fixed and/or improved, but the expectation from any reasonable player of FO4, based on the news release, is that the game would be improved for "next generation PC's".

you mean High end PC's. mid and low end PC's get nothing. i have an i5 11600k and a RTX 3050. but since i pulled the app manifest from steam ill never know

[PeaceMaker]

Originally posted by Stalwart87:

Still can't allow us to clean dirt and debris in settlements. What's next gen when old problems still persist like the finicky building system.

You will be waiting a very long time if you expect Bethesda to fix that.

And yes, they white-lied about it being `next gen`.

[Zombie_Pizza]

Originally posted by PeaceMaker:

Originally posted by Stalwart87:

Still can't allow us to clean dirt and debris in settlements. What's next gen when old problems still persist like the finicky building system.

You will be waiting a very long time if you expect Bethesda to fix that.

hell he build system in 76 is still broken. they dont care about much anymore, just push updates to get new players and more money. we wont see Fallout 5 for a long time or even Elder Scrolls 6. with all these updates to OLD games

[Stalwart87]

Originally posted by .:Jj:.:

Originally posted by Stalwart87:

Shouldn't call it next gen.

You seem to not understand what this thing is.
This update is a marketing stunt designed to revitalize word of mouth around Fallout IP, partially in conjunction with the release of the TV show, aimed at the next (current) gen consoles.
The Windows version of the game got it just by the way, mostly for the sake of getting an update so their PR doesn't have to deal with complaints on Twitter that PC is not getting anything.
How can an update on PC, a platform without the concept of generations, can be any 'gen'? Can you explain that?

It takes a handful of seconds to glance over update notes and come to the conclusion it's a very small update.
Your mistake is reading, uncritically, marketing labels and terms and not assuming it's total and complete bull$hit without any real meaning.

Hey bud, you're preaching to the choir here. Everyone knows it's a marketing ploy. It's pointing out bethesda's problems they never addressed or fixed and their overall apathy towards consumers. This update is geared towards profitability than anything else.