Just finished watching the Fallout show

[Norðmaður]

Wow, what a disappointment. Full of plot holes and stuff that did not make sense at all. How does this have 8.5 on IMDB? Standards have dropped down the well the last decade.

To put it like this the show is not canon and is ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ on the established fallout lore.

[Death Approaches]

hey, then it embodies the theme, spirit, and actual coding of the Fallout franchise of games perfectly, doesn't it?!

[Norðmaður]

Originally posted by Death Approaches:

hey, then it embodies the theme, spirit, and actual coding of the Fallout franchise of games perfectly, doesn't it?!

nah the games and plot are actually good and makes sense. Since when did the brotherhood become some fascist ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥. That is not how they are portrayed in the game nor lore. In F3 they are legit libs trying to restore peace in the commonwealth and the enclave are the ones trying to take control by force. Also where was the enclave. And the stupid love story between lucy and max. Just your typical hollywood bs. Complete ♥♥♥♥.

[craldark]

What matters is how much people enjoyed watching it. That is the ONLY measure of any movie, tv series, video game, novel, or music track. Everything else is mostly irrelevant. I'd rather read/watch/listen to a fascinating, intriguing, immersive, enjoyable movie/book/music that is badly produced and makes no sense than a well-produced, perfectly pc production that is boring.

[dexter]

It's a good show that fits in with the game. The only lore that it deviates from is the location of Shady Sands. It changes some things, like power armour having a removable visor and stuff but every single game also makes changes like this, so what's the difference?

[dexter]

Originally posted by Víkingr:

Originally posted by Death Approaches:

hey, then it embodies the theme, spirit, and actual coding of the Fallout franchise of games perfectly, doesn't it?!

nah the games and plot are actually good and makes sense. Since when did the brotherhood become some fascist ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥. That is not how they are portrayed in the game nor lore. In F3 they are legit libs trying to restore peace in the commonwealth and the enclave are the ones trying to take control by force. Also where was the enclave. And the stupid love story between lucy and max. Just your typical hollywood bs. Complete ♥♥♥♥.

Fallout 3 is the exception. Even the BoS in Fallout 3 say that the rest of the brotherhood doesn't support what they are doing. The BoS has always hated mutants and doesn't care about helping people at all. The BoS have been different in every game(1, 2, 3, nv, and 4). You also have to keep in mind that all the representations of factions are different chapters and groups from all around the country. They will obviously be different to each other and it doesn't seem too far fetched that some groups would be more radicalized than others(like in Fallout 4, killing all mutants and what not, threatening settlements for resources). Also Fallout 3's story was kind of bad in my opinion. Basically the same as in Fallout 2, and somehow the Enclave returned in full force after being destroyed in Fallout 2.

There also wasn't a 'love story' between Lucy and Max lol. They just started travelling together because they have the same objective: get the head. I don't think they kissed or anything, just made 2 or 3 sex jokes.

[Magnus Aurelius, Bright Lord]

Originally posted by Víkingr:

Wow, what a disappointment. Full of plot holes and stuff that did not make sense at all. How does this have 8.5 on IMDB? Standards have dropped down the well the last decade.

To put it like this the show is not canon and is ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ on the established fallout lore.

How is it not cannon ? ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ Todd Howard, the CEO of Bethesda, has produced the show. The lore aligns very well with everything in-game..

[Shadow]

Originally posted by Víkingr:

Standards have dropped down the well the last decade.

Well, yes, that's what happens when you get inundated with total crap for a decade. Yeah, the show objectively only ranks about a "not bad" or "pretty good I suppose" on it's own at best, but compared to what they did to things like The Witcher, Lord of the Rings and Halo, it's gold. Heck, those three by themselves dropped the bar so low that all they really had to do to make people happy is just not ♥♥♥♥ it up.

Almost like telling a first time truck driver "Just don't drive it into the lake." after you've had three others do exactly that.

So I say we call season one a win. We'll have to see what happens with season two though.

[wtiger27]

It is rated high because most viewers liked it. Inc. myself. I know, surprising others may like something we don't. :P

[Death Approaches]

Fallout 1, 2 and Tactics are much more militant, quasi-religious zealotry BoS... the "metal monks" obsessed with technology and racial purity. They're the wipe out an entire settlement for not surrendering energy weapons kind of guys. FO3 is the post Schism era, the softer, gentler, help civilians East Coast variant... which caused the Outcasts.

I think they went that direction for increased drama.

re: love story, yeah I didn't get that either. She was just horny and bored in isolation and wanted to bang, he's the one that never had an orgasm (or one he didn't regret...) He's a despicable human being just trying to survive in the gray areas after being s**t on so much in life, the standard fallen hero redemption arc #3, as you say, hollywood drivel for the masses. Of course he's gonna fall for the first girl who's nice to him. She's was helping him to get some Paladins to free her father, which, <gasp!> happened anyway just not the way she planned, like everything else up here on the surface.

I'm really worried S02 will do that cheese of star-crossed lovers; he'll get promoted to Paladin for real, kill and raid as a good BoS true believer, but then have an all-is-lost moment where he turns on BoS and throws it all away to save Lucy, or some claptrap...

Was it perfect? Hell no. Was it fun? Sure. I don't get the hatred unless you expected it to be just like the game stories, which no one ever said it would be... they cherry-picked from all the games and lore and TH let the writers "hollywood it up" with free reins...

and just like each iteration of the games gets more and more generic, more approachable, less likely to offend anyone... because capitalism and profit matter more than anything.... the show was made approachable by people who never played the games, for the same reason. I'm sure the people here would have loved a 36-hour LOTR-esque adaptation, but come on that was never going to happen.

[NecroMaster]

Originally posted by Víkingr:

Originally posted by Death Approaches:

hey, then it embodies the theme, spirit, and actual coding of the Fallout franchise of games perfectly, doesn't it?!

nah the games and plot are actually good and makes sense. Since when did the brotherhood become some fascist ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥. That is not how they are portrayed in the game nor lore. In F3 they are legit libs trying to restore peace in the commonwealth and the enclave are the ones trying to take control by force. Also where was the enclave. And the stupid love story between lucy and max. Just your typical hollywood bs. Complete ♥♥♥♥.

Remember that random encounter in fallout 3 when the brotherhood outcasts murdered a bunch of people surrendering to them?

Remember how the outcasts are currently the same brotherhood soldiers currently serving maxon?

[DouglasGrave]

Originally posted by dexter:

There also wasn't a 'love story' between Lucy and Max lol. They just started travelling together because they have the same objective: get the head. I don't think they kissed or anything, just made 2 or 3 sex jokes.

They did eventually get a kiss in, as part of a tandem performance with Wilzig, which is exactly the kind of morbid humour it's fun to see in Fallout.

Originally posted by Death Approaches:

re: love story, yeah I didn't get that either. She was just horny and bored in isolation and wanted to bang, he's the one that never had an orgasm (or one he didn't regret...) He's a despicable human being just trying to survive in the gray areas after being s**t on so much in life, the standard fallen hero redemption arc #3, as you say, hollywood drivel for the masses. Of course he's gonna fall for the first girl who's nice to him. She's was helping him to get some Paladins to free her father, which, <gasp!> happened anyway just not the way she planned, like everything else up here on the surface.

I still find it weird that they spontaneously abandoned their plan there in favour of Lucy running off with the real head.

I mean, Maximus already knew about the Brotherhood's general behaviour and had the update on his mission from Thaddeus by the time he met her and made the deal, and he only gets to speak to Quintus again after he goes back. It's just his relationship with Lucy that's evolved, which suggests that at first he was planning to dump her deal in Quintus' lap and let him decide whether to play fair or take the head and kick her to the curb.

[Voodoojedizin]

Originally posted by Víkingr:

Originally posted by Death Approaches:

hey, then it embodies the theme, spirit, and actual coding of the Fallout franchise of games perfectly, doesn't it?!

nah the games and plot are actually good and makes sense. Since when did the brotherhood become some fascist ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥. That is not how they are portrayed in the game nor lore. In F3 they are legit libs trying to restore peace in the commonwealth and the enclave are the ones trying to take control by force. Also where was the enclave. And the stupid love story between lucy and max. Just your typical hollywood bs. Complete ♥♥♥♥.

But the Brotherhood are fascists just listen to what they say!
they want to take over everything and be the law. They send you out to intimidate and take over farms, and they want to get rid of anyone that may have more power than they do. You need to pay attention to their rhetoric because there is no doubt they are fascists in their beliefs.

[whyfight]

Honestly, the way I see it is the brotherhood and many other factions have had a lot of time (over 200 years) to collect technology and learn to use it; therefore upgrades to already existing pieces of tech makes sense. Like, how efficient would it really be for all suits of power armor to be equipped with a ginormous jet fueled jet pack like in Fallout 4.

There are only three problems I have with the show. 1. How the characters get from point a to point b, they always seem to just magically be going in the right direction in almost (seemingly anyway) no time. 2. As for Shady Sands, the explanation behind how the town got nuked, and why, was extremely stupid and felt lazy. 3. The unnecessary addition of chems required to keep ghouls sane.

We have to remember to that these factions are ever changing due to no long form (reliable) communication. Furthermore, the brotherhood seems to have a leadership power struggle going on (due to lack of communication and the NCR's decline) which would explain why they're fascists "all of the sudden" on the west coast. It seems a lot of people assumed the show wouldn't be a continuation of the overall lore but it is and honestly if they got a better writer for certain scenes it'd be a 10/10 for me.

[Pumpkin_Masher]

Only thing I found odd was the spray to make ghouls not turn feral.

[DouglasGrave]

Originally posted by Pumpkin_Masher:

Only thing I found odd was the spray to make ghouls not turn feral.

It does seem a little odd, especially since they never offer any explanation about who produces it (beyond possibly the mention of the slave-traders at the Super Duper Mart getting their merchandise ready for another pickup, which might also be the supplier), but it could be just some kind of pre-war antipsychotic, anti-dementia, or other chem that happens to help ghouls avoid mental decay.