Next gen update mandatory?

[Redarmy]

i am aware that the update will mess with the EXE and therefore FO4 script extender thereby nullifying 99% of mods...so i havent bothered to reinstall this game(who would???)

I want to start a playthrough ultra modded but there isnt any point until the update drops and script extender team update AND all mods i want have their authors update their mods..

is this about right? or is the next gen update a different game/download like skyrim was?

i just wish game devs would ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ leave their games alone and stop breaking mods a DECADE after the community has poured so much work into it.

[StephBx]

Save your fallout.exe now. After the update, rename the fallout.exe in something like fallout.new and bring back the saved .exe in the install folder. You can now play the game with all your mods while they update F4SE.
PS: There is also this mod that do it automatically: https://www.nexusmods.com/fallout4/mods/26956

[Immortalis]

Or... and here's a radical idea.. you could spend ten minutes of your time reading how you can stop the auto-update and create local copies of the mods you want to play with and safeguard against *any* update ever..

[sdack]

If you are that much concerned then this is what you do:

Make the manifest file for Fallout 4 in the Steam folder read-only. Disable background downloads in Steam and set it to only download when the game starts, and then never start the game through Steam but only through F4SE. This should lock in your game and stop Steam from updating it. Then make sure you have all the latest updates of your mods before the new update drops, and then leave it at that. Do not update any of your existing mods and do not add any new mods until you are done with your latest play-through. Do not even think about updates and just enjoy the game.

If you are already getting tearful just over the thought of what could happen then it is because you have not prepared yourself yet. So prepare yourself by doing the above and you will sleep better.

[Redarmy]

Originally posted by sdack:

If you are that much concerned then this is what you do:

Make the manifest file for Fallout 4 in the Steam folder read-only. Disable background downloads in Steam and set it to only download when the game starts, and then never start the game through Steam but only through F4SE. This should lock in your game and stop Steam from updating it. Then make sure you have all the latest updates of your mods before the new update drops, and then leave it at that. Do not update any of your existing mods and do not add any new mods until you are done with your latest play-through. Do not even think about updates and just enjoy the game.

If you are already getting tearful just over the thought of what could happen then it is because you have not prepared yourself yet. So prepare yourself by doing the above and you will sleep better.

this is a solution but not fool proof. its entirely possible that id accidently launch through steam some day and then im screwed..or need to reinstall steam and it will then when downloading FO4 auto update. so it isnt really a solution. but thanks, i do understand this already.

Originally posted by Immortalis:

Or... and here's a radical idea.. you could spend ten minutes of your time reading how you can stop the auto-update and create local copies of the mods you want to play with and safeguard against *any* update ever..

you cannot truely prevent auto updates.

[Longhaul]

Originally posted by Redarmy:

you cannot truely prevent auto updates.

Yes. You can.

[sdack]

Originally posted by Redarmy:

this is a solution but not fool proof. its entirely possible that id accidently launch through steam some day and then im screwed..or need to reinstall steam and it will then when downloading FO4 auto update. so it isnt really a solution. but thanks, i do understand this already.

It is actually two solutions. Making the manifest file read-only alone will stop Steam from updating it, because it cannot change the file. The other solution is to change the update behaviour not to download in the background and only on game start. I have merely combined the two into one solution, because you never know what Steam might do in the end. Doing a full backup of your Fallout 4 directory is also recommended, and never have Steam verify your game files once the update drops.

[UsernameTaken666]

lol.

[Redarmy]

Originally posted by sdack:

Originally posted by Redarmy:

this is a solution but not fool proof. its entirely possible that id accidently launch through steam some day and then im screwed..or need to reinstall steam and it will then when downloading FO4 auto update. so it isnt really a solution. but thanks, i do understand this already.

It is actually two solutions. Making the manifest file read-only alone will stop Steam from updating it, because it cannot change the file. The other solution is to change the update behaviour not to download in the background and only on game start. I have merely combined the two into one solution, because you never know what Steam might do in the end. Doing a full backup of your Fallout 4 directory is also recommended, and never have Steam verify your game files once the update drops.

oh ok yes i fully follow what you are saying now. so even a reinstall wouldnt mess up my core files/update them,as long as i used F4SE to launch. gotchya, thanks.

[sdack]

Originally posted by Redarmy:

oh ok yes i fully follow what you are saying now. so even a reinstall wouldnt mess up my core files/update them,as long as i used F4SE to launch. gotchya, thanks.

I do not know about a complete reinstall. It might just delete the read-only manifest file and create a new one. Best not to do a reinstall of the game after the update, but change nothing and leave everything the way it is. If anything breaks then use a backup but avoid downloading from Steam. I know one can cherry-pick repositories from Steam, but I have never done this myself and cannot say from experience if a read-only manifest file will already do this. Simply lock everything down and just enjoy the game.

[wtiger27]

No game company should ever not provide updates to their games because they would break mods. A player uses mods at their own risks. I don't use mods and am looking forward to the update.

But you found out a way on here to avoid the update. So it's not a issue.

[Redarmy]

Originally posted by wtiger27:

No game company should ever not provide updates to their games because they would break mods. A player uses mods at their own risks. I don't use mods and am looking forward to the update.

But you found out a way on here to avoid the update. So it's not a issue.

your wrong. we arent console kiddies anymore son. This is PC gaming and modding is the life blood. i do prefer when a game is awesome even without mods, but some games produce amazing modding communities such as Fallouts has,and it extends the life of the game far beyond..it also fixes major issues the developer(and we know how bad Bugthesda can be) overlook.

after 8 years,if a game still needs attention from a developer,something has gone wrong.

♥♥♥ games as a service. This is also a horrible practice. I buy something,it should be mine AS IS. And not altered years later AGAINST my wishes...

If this update was "optional" it would be different.But it isnt optional.

[wtiger27]

Originally posted by Redarmy:

Originally posted by wtiger27:

No game company should ever not provide updates to their games because they would break mods. A player uses mods at their own risks. I don't use mods and am looking forward to the update.

But you found out a way on here to avoid the update. So it's not a issue.

your wrong. we arent console kiddies anymore son. This is PC gaming and modding is the life blood. i do prefer when a game is awesome even without mods, but some games produce amazing modding communities such as Fallouts has,and it extends the life of the game far beyond..it also fixes major issues the developer(and we know how bad Bugthesda can be) overlook.

after 8 years,if a game still needs attention from a developer,something has gone wrong.

♥♥♥ games as a service. This is also a horrible practice. I buy something,it should be mine AS IS. And not altered years later AGAINST my wishes...

If this update was "optional" it would be different.But it isnt optional.

Son? Lol. I am, more than likely old enough to be your dad or even Grandad.

And no, Beth does not owe you anything to insure a update works with your mods. Those mods are your choice to use and do come with some risks. if you are going to get upset if a mod breaks whenever, then that is on you.

I am in no way knocking those who use mods. It is a choice the player makes. But don't expect them to be canon and their use like a official DLC.

[Redarmy]

Originally posted by wtiger27:

Originally posted by Redarmy:

your wrong. we arent console kiddies anymore son. This is PC gaming and modding is the life blood. i do prefer when a game is awesome even without mods, but some games produce amazing modding communities such as Fallouts has,and it extends the life of the game far beyond..it also fixes major issues the developer(and we know how bad Bugthesda can be) overlook.

after 8 years,if a game still needs attention from a developer,something has gone wrong.

♥♥♥ games as a service. This is also a horrible practice. I buy something,it should be mine AS IS. And not altered years later AGAINST my wishes...

If this update was "optional" it would be different.But it isnt optional.

Son? Lol. I am, more than likely old enough to be your dad or even Grandad.

And no, Beth does not owe you anything to insure a update works with your mods. Those mods are your choice to use and do come with some risks. if you are going to get upset if a mod breaks whenever, then that is on you.

I am in no way knocking those who use mods. It is a choice the player makes. But don't expect them to be canon and their use like a official DLC.

Again, your not seeing this for what it is...i also agree that mod at your own risk. But it is expected that when a game reaches a certain age(and 8 bloody years is a long time) that the game should be AS IS,and not tampred with.

You do realise it invalidates all the hard work of modders correct? alot of whom waited till the game matured to introduce and work on massive overhauls to many sytems...it ruins peoples saves too... and even UNMODDED save files are going to become corrupted and unusable . Which takes the issue of this being about mods and gives better perspective that EVERYONE wether vanilla or not will be affected.

[sdack]

Originally posted by Redarmy:

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Again, your not seeing this for what it is...i also agree that mod at your own risk. But it is expected that when a game reaches a certain age(and 8 bloody years is a long time) that the game should be AS IS,and not tampred with. ...

Agreed, but Bethesda has shown not to be perfect (...). They have left Fallout 4 for a surprisingly long time alone. They have updated Skyrim twice recently and broken mods, with possibly a third update on its way, and all to implement a cash market for mods (not really cash, but you have to buy a fake currency first and can then spend it on mods, and yes, it is worse this way). And with Starfield are they actually making use of Steam's beta opt-in feature before releasing an update with about 1 month delay so everyone can test it. In short, they behave like a typical corporation where one hand does not know or care for what the other one does. It is two steps forward, one step back with Bethesda.

[-={LG}=-]

Originally posted by wtiger27:

Beth does not owe you anything to insure a update works with your mods. Those mods are your choice to use and do come with some risks. if you are going to get upset if a mod breaks whenever, then that is on you.

Bethesda has been providing modding tools and hyping the moddability of their games for years now as part of their sales efforts, as everyone knows. I think it's pretty reasonable to expect the developer that hypes the moddability of its products to be sensitive to destroying mods.

Patching games is widely understood to be for fixing large and/or long-standing defects and bugs. But with Bethesda it's always just some trivial thing, or some optional feature, or some grasping attempt at further monetization. All the big bugs go unfixed with their "patches" while repeatedly sabotaging the reputed moddability. Except, of course, those mods they officially sanction in their monetization efforts.

There's plenty of justification for being outraged over this practice by those who actually bought the game based on the moddability sales pitches, and who enjoy modding.

People who don't use mods obviously have no real basis for comment.