Vault 81 Cure

[Xenon The Noble]

Saved the game, and then kept the cure for the first time ever.
It really doesn't change much. You don't get the useless broom closet in Vault 81. Hangman alley is a better base than the closet in Vault 81. Don't get the syringe shooter. Big deal, never used it. Austin's dead. Yeah, never see him again either alive or dead because not much reason to look for him if he's alive. Don't have the annoying Mole Rat disease. Vault 81 are a bit more rude than usual, which is pretty rude.
Not so bad. I was going to reload the save and do the right thing, but I became curious what Diamond City Radio says about it.

[Material Defender]

I have heard there is a way to take it and somehow give the cure away, without mods. I forgot the method.

[jynx]

Originalmente postado por Material Defender:

I have heard there is a way to take it and somehow give the cure away, without mods. I forgot the method.

IIRC it involves duping.

[Xenon The Noble]

I think ..
~player.additem 00055f10 1
will duplicate it, but I don't want to duplicate it. I want to see what happens if you don't give it to Austin. So far, it doesn't change much.

[Material Defender]

Originalmente postado por Xenon The Noble:

I think ..
~player.additem 00055f10 1
will duplicate it, but I don't want to duplicate it. I want to see what happens if you don't give it to Austin. So far, it doesn't change much.

you can do it without console commands, and this is the method:
It is possible to exploit the game's option to "walk away" mid-conversation in order to cure both Austin and oneself:

1. Select the dialogue of choice, then push the left stick/movement keys until the camera cuts away from a closeup of Dr. Forsythe.
   
2. Turn the view away from Dr. Forsythe so the dialogue options disappear and the Pip-Boy becomes accessible.
   
3. Open the Pip-Boy, use the cure (or drop it), and exit, turning back to face Dr. Forsythe.

also, as far as console commands, this will also work to give an extra dose

player.additem MS19Cure 1

(the 1 at the end is optional if you only want 1 of the item)

[Charon]

You can also simply finish the broken vault without getting infected in the first place.

[Xenon The Noble]

Originalmente postado por Charon:

You can also simply finish the broken vault without getting infected in the first place.

I don't think that's possible for practical reasons. Mole rats always pop up behind you. Tried scooting around with ss back to the wall, but you end up with Curie saying there are still rats on the lose.
Since she's responsible for Clyde and his friends getting out, it's pretty funny. She's as bad as everyone else in the commonwealth.

[-={LG}=-]

It's a pretty silly manufactured attempt at a "moral dilemma." To me dumb things like this justify a console solution.

[Xenon The Noble]

Originalmente postado por -={LG}=-:

It's a pretty silly manufactured attempt at a "moral dilemma." To me dumb things like this justify a console solution.

In real life, there are very few clear choices. Instead you get trump or biden.

[steventirey]

Originalmente postado por Xenon The Noble:

Originalmente postado por Charon:

You can also simply finish the broken vault without getting infected in the first place.

I don't think that's possible for practical reasons. Mole rats always pop up behind you. Tried scooting around with ss back to the wall, but you end up with Curie saying there are still rats on the lose.
Since she's responsible for Clyde and his friends getting out, it's pretty funny. She's as bad as everyone else in the commonwealth.

It is very possible to make it through that area without getting the disease.

[wtiger27]

Originalmente postado por Xenon The Noble:

Originalmente postado por Charon:

You can also simply finish the broken vault without getting infected in the first place.

I don't think that's possible for practical reasons.

Yes it is. I have did it 3 times. Twice on Very Hard and once on a pure Survival run.

But I am not saying it is easy. It takes patience, moving slowly and knowing the spawn spots. And most of the time, I just run thru it, not caring if I get bit and at the end of the quest, do the console command to give my char the serum.

[Xenon The Noble]

Impressed you can do the hole in the wall without getting bit.
No companions, I assume. Any tips?

[-={LG}=-]

Originalmente postado por Xenon The Noble:

In real life, there are very few clear choices.

In real life virtually every moral choice is clear cut. There are very few instances of ambiguity, and people only muddy up the situation when they feel guilty. The idea of "gray" is mostly specious.[courses.aynrand.org]

That's why all these attempts at "moral dilemma" in video games fall flat. They're too contrived to be taken seriously. Real life is pretty black and white.

Even with this quest the moral choice is purely black and white and it is crystalline clear. You volunteered to help a dying child, you are in no mortal peril and face only the most minimal consequences. There is one moral choice, and one evil choice. You can kill a child, or you can save a child.

It's not even really a dilemma. It's just Bethesda giving you an opportunity to kill a child, one of many such opportunities. Just like they force you to slaughter women.

[wtiger27]

Originalmente postado por Xenon The Noble:

Impressed you can do the hole in the wall without getting bit.
No companions, I assume. Any tips?

Go slow and you need to know where and when they will attack. Which generally is close to the same spots. But they can vary some. If you are not playing Survival, save often. Esp after each successful defense and not getting bitten.

Survival is a much more challenging run, since the places with beds in there is limited. But the same tactics is important.

Being geared and perked for Stealth and Melee helps too. The Blitz perk is great and so is getting Adrenaline Rush built up. And anything you can do to increase your AP's is very important. Having the ability to blitz to multiple targets is awesome. So is hitting all targets in front of you.

And yeah, no companions. It's a dumb designed quest, which prohibits them and Power Armor if you wanting to avoid the disease.

[DouglasGrave]

Originalmente postado por wtiger27:

Originalmente postado por Xenon The Noble:

Impressed you can do the hole in the wall without getting bit.
No companions, I assume. Any tips?

Go slow and you need to know where and when they will attack. Which generally is close to the same spots. But they can vary some. If you are not playing Survival, save often. Esp after each successful defense and not getting bitten.

Survival is a much more challenging run, since the places with beds in there is limited. But the same tactics is important.

Being geared and perked for Stealth and Melee helps too. The Blitz perk is great and so is getting Adrenaline Rush built up. And anything you can do to increase your AP's is very important. Having the ability to blitz to multiple targets is awesome. So is hitting all targets in front of you.

And yeah, no companions. It's a dumb designed quest, which prohibits them and Power Armor if you wanting to avoid the disease.

Explosives can also help. Mines laid behind you can catch molerats outflanking you, and if you already know where they're going to pop out you can dispatch individual molerats ahead of time by scaring them out of their burrowed hiding places with a blast that hits close enough to touch them.

I've even used the Minutemen's flare gun's tiny area effect to scare molerats up when I had no other explosive weapons.

[DouglasGrave]

Originalmente postado por -={LG}=-:

Originalmente postado por Xenon The Noble:

In real life, there are very few clear choices.

In real life virtually every moral choice is clear cut. There are very few instances of ambiguity, and people only muddy up the situation when they feel guilty. The idea of "gray" is mostly specious.[courses.aynrand.org]

That's why all these attempts at "moral dilemma" in video games fall flat. They're too contrived to be taken seriously. Real life is pretty black and white.

The grey comes from pure ideals being simple, but often difficult to realize in reality where an alternative is not always available, or comes with its own moral cost. The choice of grey is often because the pure white is impractical, or has an uncontrollably low chance of success, and adopting that risk is effectively similar to choosing an admixture. To risk a 90% chance of black for the 10% white outcome is another expression of dark grey, albeit an optimistic one.

Originalmente postado por -={LG}=-:

Even with this quest the moral choice is purely black and white and it is crystalline clear. You volunteered to help a dying child, you are in no mortal peril and face only the most minimal consequences. There is one moral choice, and one evil choice. You can kill a child, or you can save a child.

It's not even really a dilemma. It's just Bethesda giving you an opportunity to kill a child, one of many such opportunities. Just like they force you to slaughter women.

That 's a misleading view, as the Sole Survivor isn't aware of the level of risk from the disease, and seeing Austin has every reason to think it presents a crippling and mortal danger to both themselves and any companions they take along, in addition to them subsequently carrying that untreated infection out into the wasteland.

The game doesn't portray it in a realistic fashion, however, as the vault dwellers disregard entirely the risk to the world at large if the infection spreads, and we're awkwardly shoehorned into a black/white result, with Dr. Forsythe even rejecting the offer of splitting the treatment because "It doesn't work that way. Half a dose won't cure him.", which he has absolutely no way of knowing about a unique serum that he's never seen before. It's enough to make you wonder if he's even a real doctor.

It's ironic that Mr. Forsythe calls you selfish if you want to get cured, when none of them will lift a finger to help anyone who isn't from their vault. The idea of you now being a sick patient still carrying a potentially deadly infection who deserves their medical aid both for saving a child's life and to protect those it could harm in the future is conveniently ignored.