Goal of the BOS is to... what?

[Xenon The Noble]

Originally posted by Danse:

By collecting all forms of technology, and keeping it out of reach of those who seek to exploit it, we're ensuring the survival of the human race.

With whom does the BOS share technology with? Pretty please provide specific examples. They seem more keyed to taking tech and killing those who developed it, and like SS says, keeping it only to themselves to make the BOS a greater military power.

[alex010300]

Well obviously FEV research is out of the question to leave out to the public unless BOS keeps an eye on it. Danse doesn't have any issues giving his laser rifle away once you helped him.

As for the Goal according to the last logs to the West Virginia BOS Chapter, Roger Maxson wants to keep the knowledge of technology so that they can preserve it and keeping Human Civilization going. All the collecting the Tech is so as to help the wastelands but Roger is piss off that most of the BOS including his son doesn't agree with him, to Roger going through the trouble of preserving tech is all for helping the people of the wastelands.

Lyon's BOS is what Roger wanted all along as they offer tech to James and his scientists in order to produce safe drinking water. The problem is that over 200 years has past and the wastelands all went mad max so giving stuff away so that people can rebuild is no longer the case. So Arthur Maxson decided that the BOS must no longer do charity and if the people of the wastelands want free stuff they must accept the BOS influence.

Basically Arthur went full NCR expansion in the East Coast, but unlike out west the BOS rule for the locals is actually better off than they were without it. Since the BOS gives security against abominations, tech, no slaves allowed, law and order is introduce and even have a trade network with the other settlements they have influence over. The BOS obviously will be far less corrupt than the NCR because they don't have elections.

[Xenon The Noble]

American thinking is that the right to keep and bear arms is denied to the serfs. It doesn't surprise me, then, that the ranks of the BOS are from feudalism, and they disarm the public. The BOS is gun-grabbers gone wild. They view themselves as lords and the serfs as "nothing" as in "If you're not BOS, you're nothing".
It's hard to imagine how they can be serving the people while disarming them in such a hostile world.

[Solomon Hawk]

Originally posted by Pookie101:

From what we see in FO3 traditional BOS doctrine says that even laser weapons are "too advanced" for the local population to use. Heck if they caught a local farming community using robots they would either be confiscated or the whole place wiped off the map.

While they bring their own version of law, order and stability to a region that area effectively becomes a feudal state that stagnates technologically.

That could pose a very serious problem for Graygarden.
THAT'S MY BREADBASKET!
They ever mess with that, they're going to have a serious problem with me.

[Xenon The Noble]

What tech does the BOS allow the serfs to have?
With whom does the BOS share advanced technology with, if they don't keep it all to themselves?

[alex010300]

Originally posted by Xenon The Noble:

American thinking is that the right to keep and bear arms is denied to the serfs. It doesn't surprise me, then, that the ranks of the BOS are from feudalism, and they disarm the public. The BOS is gun-grabbers gone wild. They view themselves as lords and the serfs as "nothing" as in "If you're not BOS, you're nothing".
It's hard to imagine how they can be serving the people while disarming them in such a hostile world.

F3 lore is dated, in F4 they don’t mind giving laser rifle away and BOS members buying guns for their family. Which means they allow civilians to bear arms.

[alex010300]

Originally posted by Xenon The Noble:

What tech does the BOS allow the serfs to have?
With whom does the BOS share advanced technology with, if they don't keep it all to themselves?

Depends on what the settlement can give in return, no more charities since Arthur took over as High Elder.

Danse joined in Rivet city so this means the BOS has set up an office there and Rivet city is allowed access to the water purifier since in F3 they provide security with the BOS escorting the water in the wastelands.

[Wankboy Doublefapp]

Originally posted by Solomon Hawk:

Originally posted by Pookie101:

From what we see in FO3 traditional BOS doctrine says that even laser weapons are "too advanced" for the local population to use. Heck if they caught a local farming community using robots they would either be confiscated or the whole place wiped off the map.

While they bring their own version of law, order and stability to a region that area effectively becomes a feudal state that stagnates technologically.

That could pose a very serious problem for Graygarden.
THAT'S MY BREADBASKET!
They ever mess with that, they're going to have a serious problem with me.

get of my garden scrubs^^

[Booba]

The goal of the Brotherhood of Steel... is to be... cool. The only common thread between the franchises is generic statements like "we hoards the technology" and "we gives the power armor if you're cool enough." The Brotherhood of Fallout 1 and 2 were the techno jedi of the wasteland. In Tactics, they were wasteland conquistadors. I don't remember anything about Fallouts 3 and New Vegas, because they're forgettable games, but in Fallout 4, they were elevated to technofascist psuedonation, because apparently, nobody can release a Fallout game without the iconic Brotherhood of Steel.

Originally posted by Xenon The Noble:

What tech does the BOS allow the serfs to have?
With whom does the BOS share advanced technology with, if they don't keep it all to themselves?

Do they share technology? I suppose I could see them sharing a water pump with farmers or something, but sharing technology goes against everything Danse spews, doesn't it?

[Xenon The Noble]

Maybe the BOS doesn't share tech.
Maybe the only people the BOS allows to exploit technology is the BOS.

[steventirey]

Originally posted by Booba:

Originally posted by Xenon The Noble:

What tech does the BOS allow the serfs to have?
With whom does the BOS share advanced technology with, if they don't keep it all to themselves?

Do they share technology? I suppose I could see them sharing a water pump with farmers or something, but sharing technology goes against everything Danse spews, doesn't it?

They gave the Vault Dweller (the hero of Fallout 1) some unspecified technology, according to his memoirs in the manual for Fallout 2. They also installed some sort of advanced computing system in Vault 13 as a replacement for the Overseer (also Fallout 2). You can also get cybernetic implants from the Brotherhood in Fallout 1.

Of course, those aren't the same chapters we see in Fallout 3/4. You can't really talk about the Brotherhood as a whole - its more like several groups sharing a vaguely similar belief system that, at least on paper, all share allegiance with the main chapter back on the West Coast. There are differences between the chapters.

[alex010300]

Originally posted by steventirey:

Originally posted by Booba:

Do they share technology? I suppose I could see them sharing a water pump with farmers or something, but sharing technology goes against everything Danse spews, doesn't it?

They gave the Vault Dweller (the hero of Fallout 1) some unspecified technology, according to his memoirs in the manual for Fallout 2. They also installed some sort of advanced computing system in Vault 13 as a replacement for the Overseer (also Fallout 2). You can also get cybernetic implants from the Brotherhood in Fallout 1.

Of course, those aren't the same chapters we see in Fallout 3/4. You can't really talk about the Brotherhood as a whole - its more like several groups sharing a vaguely similar belief system that, at least on paper, all share allegiance with the main chapter back on the West Coast. There are differences between the chapters.

The West Coast BOS could be dead for all we know since they were at a war with the NCR and Lost Hills is well known. Arthur Maxson is the High Elder now so the main Chapter is 100% now the DC BOS Chapter not the west coast BOS chapter. The BOS chapters at other locations all answer to the DC Chapter as of Fallout 4.

[alex010300]

Originally posted by Xenon The Noble:

Maybe the BOS doesn't share tech.
Maybe the only people the BOS allows to exploit technology is the BOS.

What are you talking about ? Danse in Fallout 4 gave the SS a Laser Rifle so the BOS is sharing at least safe technology with the wastelands. Don't take any more BOS lore from F1, F2 and FNV because it is changed now in F4.

[alex010300]

Originally posted by Booba:

The goal of the Brotherhood of Steel... is to be... cool. The only common thread between the franchises is generic statements like "we hoards the technology" and "we gives the power armor if you're cool enough." The Brotherhood of Fallout 1 and 2 were the techno jedi of the wasteland. In Tactics, they were wasteland conquistadors. I don't remember anything about Fallouts 3 and New Vegas, because they're forgettable games, but in Fallout 4, they were elevated to technofascist psuedonation, because apparently, nobody can release a Fallout game without the iconic Brotherhood of Steel.

Originally posted by Xenon The Noble:

What tech does the BOS allow the serfs to have?
With whom does the BOS share advanced technology with, if they don't keep it all to themselves?

Do they share technology? I suppose I could see them sharing a water pump with farmers or something, but sharing technology goes against everything Danse spews, doesn't it?

Did you even played Fallout 4 ??? Danse gave the SS a laser rifle as a reward which is never going to happen in the west coast BOS so he is obviously referring to dangerous tech or tech that uses up a lot of resources for little gain.

[JustSomeNoob]

Originally posted by Pookie101:

FO3 traditional BOS doctrine says that even laser weapons are "too advanced" for the local population to use. Heck if they caught a local farming community using robots they would either be confiscated or the whole place wiped off the map.

I don't remember that ever happened. Like, at all. I remember them offering a fixing and selling service to the people. The Outcast even gave people who bring them tech a reward such as bullets and other things.

[Bored Peon]

That time of the month again where someone runs out to create a topic based upon their fan fiction version of the lore. Never once have they ever been able to produce any evidence using the actual lore to make their point. Always the same few Institute sympathizers doing it. Expect the next one some time before Valentine's Day, along with a "I told you so."

A recap for the people who missed out on previous ones:
- The BoS killed the US, kinda hard when neither organization exists at the same time in history.
- Maxson worked for the Chinese.
- Maxson is not a credible source of what happened at Mariposa to know military prisoners were being used for FEV experiments.
- The BoS disrupted pre-war FEV research that was supposed to be a cure to a pandemic. Which is reversed that FEV came about from one of the side effects to one of the vaccines developed.
- Swan was kidnapped.
- Nobody was ever kidnapped by the Institute for FEV experiments.
- People volunteer to become test subjects in the top secret FEV program.
- Kellogg bar hops to find FEV volunteers.
- The BoS are supposed to search outer space in their search to find the Institute. That would be because C.I.T. is renowned for it's space program.
- Super mutants are good for the Commonwealth.
- The BoS were supposed to search the underwater in the Boston Harbor for the Institute (someone was ignorant of how submarines were spotted in WWII.)

Originally posted by Xenon The Noble:

It's hard to imagine how they can be serving the people while disarming them in such a hostile world.

Then stop trying to imagine it?
The fact you cannot show a single example of the BoS confiscating weapons shows it is fan fiction.

Originally posted by Xenon The Noble:

With whom does the BOS share advanced technology with, if they don't keep it all to themselves?

https://fallout.fandom.com/wiki/Project_Purity

Originally posted by Xenon The Noble:

They view themselves as lords and the serfs as "nothing" as in "If you're not BOS, you're nothing".

To be a lord requires subjects to rule over. Yet not once have you ever been able to show me an example where the BoS rule over civilians.

As for the nothing comment....
Raiders say the same thing if you aint in their gang.
Upper stand people say the same thing if you are not from the upper stand.
Goodneighbor people say the same thing if you re an outsider.
The Institute views everyone on the surface as already being dead.
Atom Cats view everyone else as being squares.

Just because a group of people have anti-social tendencies against outsiders does not make them lords over everyone else.