what are your thoughts on the feral ghoul redesign

[Kento]

i personally think that the glowing one looks like its glowing from radiation with the green coloration rather then the yellowish color and the normal ghouls look more like deformed humans then just zombies but what are your thoughts on the new designs

[troy_cummings]

Originally posted by venom striker:

i personally think that the glowing one looks like its glowing from radiation with the green coloration rather then the yellowish color and the normal ghouls look more like deformed humans then just zombies but what are your thoughts on the new designs

I like the new ghouls: their feral-ness really suits the game well. After all, the feral ghouls are supposed to be beyond the point of reasoning and coherent thinking. Like a sleepwalker or something. They are supposed to act like zombies- why wouldn't they? They have a half rotten brain, capable of only the most simplistic and basic ideas: kill and eat.

[Nothing.]

Can't go very wrong with the redesigns of certain creatures and organisms in Fallout 4. The art style is top notch. The variety of the feral ghouls is also quite cool. The only thing I wish they carried over for from the previous two games is the fun factor.

It's unfortunate, because people liked the idea of feral ghouls exhibiting zombie-like behaviour in certain mods for both Fallout 3, and New Vegas. They were mostly fragile, but a very satisfying enemy to kill. Come Fallout 4, they revised the design quite wel, and they end up enforcing that more zombie-like behaviour and traits certain mods had, but they made fighting them not quite as fun, sometimes it can be a nightmare.

Killing ghouls in Fallout 4 just lacks something. The worst decision of all was not allowing their heads to explode. They only get scalped like trogs, which makes head shot kills not nearly as satisfying.

[Spocks Toupee]

I like the new ghouls and they're a real Pain In The Ass at the same time.
The one thing I dislike is that "Teleport rush" they do

[troy_cummings]

One thing I don't think anyone can complain about is creature's AI changed as a whole. I'm talking about creatures: Deathclaws, Stingwings, or any other creature for that matter. The NPCs apparently have some AI issues but I think Beth really re-vamped the creatures.

[Sweet]

They're great. The way they sprint and lunge at you then get back up really adds weight to them.

[Taiwan Number One]

It sucks. Ghouls went from irradiated humans who merely looked like zombies, to straight up zombies. Surprised they don't shuffle around going "Brainsssssssss" and eating plants. Bad enough Fallout went from an action RPG to nothing but an action game, but did Bethesda really need to revamp ghouls to appeal to scum AKA COD players?

[Hobo Misanthropus]

Originally posted by troy_cummings:

One thing I don't think anyone can complain about is creature's AI changed as a whole. I'm talking about creatures: Deathclaws, Stingwings, or any other creature for that matter. The NPCs apparently have some AI issues but I think Beth really re-vamped the creatures.

Bethesda took a lot of influence from Bungie on encounter design. If you've ever seen Bungie's GDC AI conference, you can spot pretty much everything.

For example, Deathclaws are almost a complete rip of the Hunter AI in Halo 1. Right down to being able to sidestep their most powerful attack.

[Ruin]

I frikken hate the new ghouls... FO is not a frikken horror game, but I've had more jump scares in FO4, thanks to ghouls, than I have anything else recently...

In other words, the new ghoul mechanics are great, and much better than the boring shufflers of past games...

[Bansheebutt]

Originally posted by GodOfHeWhoSleepsOnRailroads:

merely looked like zombies

Oh yeah, those skin and bones freaks with their eyes about to fall out of their heads didn't seem like straight up zombies at all.


Ghouls crawling out of graves in FO4 is dumb as hell though.

[Råb!d]

Meh.

The red ones look like clowns.

[Taiwan Number One]

@Bansheebot

They looked like zombies in previous Fallouts, but they didn't behave like zombies... for the most part. In F4, they both look and act the part even down to the glowing eyes and pretending to be dead. Guess I should be grateful their hands don't burst through the ground and attempt to pull you down as that's clearly what the devs want them to do now.

[Ruin]

Originally posted by GodOfHeWhoSleepsOnRailroads:

@Bansheebot

They looked like zombies in previous Fallouts, but they didn't behave like zombies... for the most part. In F4, they both look and act the part even down to the glowing eyes and pretending to be dead. Guess I should be grateful their hands don't burst through the ground and attempt to pull you down as that's clearly what the devs want them to do now.

They sorta did, but they were more the shamblers that would randomly stumble around, or just stand in the one spot, until something attacted their attention...

The new mechanics are far more interesting...

[Reverend Belial]

I like them. Before they just looked like zombies, but now they look like the mass of scar tissue and melted skin that they're supposed to.

Edit: I DO NOT however like their behavioral update. They absolutely should not be able to dodge bullets and run at mach 5

[Taiwan Number One]

@ Ruin

I disagree. The new mechanics started off interesting, but very quickly became mundane and/or annoying.

Gee, an open vent. Hope a ghoul doesn't climb out of it.

Gee, an open window. Hope a ghoul doesn't climb through it.

Gee, I wonder if there is a ghoul under this generator I have to walk near.

Their "ambushes" are like a bad horror movie in that it's easy to see what's going to happen. Also, WTF are they even doing in a majority of these places?

[Syzy]

Intresting enough, the green glow coming off of a glowing ghoul is probably a sembiotic fungas that feeds off the radation, much like the muntated flora that the lone survivor can discover in various caves, i.e. mushrooms and brain fungus
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Radiotrophic_fungus