HBAO+ or SSAO?

[Hollywood Nepotism]

Is it really worth a performance impact? also, if I'm running an ENB like vogue would I even need HBAO turned on?

[Hobo Misanthropus]

I think the Performance Impact on a GTX970SSC is like 10% from SSAO to HBAO+ and it really depends on what kind of headroom you have already.

For me, yeah definitely. HBAO+ Makes the game look much better. I'd liken it from going to PS4 to PC. I know that may sound like Hyperbole, but it really feels like that to me.

It's definitely worth maybe turning shadow quality down to medium, and Godrays to Medium-Low, you should be able to balance the performance differential like that.

[Bansheebutt]

Eh, I don't feel high quality AO is as necessary in a game with full scene Dynamic shadows. (that said, in areas where your completely enveloped in said shadows, it keeps the game from looking too flat.)

Also, for the record, you can tweak SSAO (as well as HBAO+) in the Fallout.ini.
A good compromise if you just feel SSAO isn't dark enough.

[Hollywood Nepotism]

I've just been having performance issues with HBAO+ and ENB being both turned on as it seems performance really tanks with those two on and if HBAO+ makes the game feel less washed out an ENB seems to do the same job for much less of a performance impact. Any reccomendations you guys have for me? Running a few 2k/4K texture mods on my 980ti so it's not a VRAM issue its like the game still has a long way to go in terms of optimization.

[Gingy]

HBAO+ has the special effects, of course its HBAO+ hands down. I haven't tried it without enb though...

[Bansheebutt]

Originally posted by WHAT IS THIS:

its like the game still has a long way to go in terms of optimization.

FO4 has the high distinction of being the only game in the last 20 years where your Ram's speed is a major factor in performance.

So yeah, the fact it's Gamebryo aside, FO4 is a real oddball.

[Hollywood Nepotism]

Originally posted by The Shadowdancer:

HBAO+ has the special effects, of course its HBAO+ hands down. I haven't tried it without enb though...

I can pretty much promise you your FPS will tank pretty severely if you use both. I'm sure the next patch will improve performance on it as Fallout 4 still needs to be optimised

[Hollywood Nepotism]

Originally posted by Bansheebot:

Originally posted by WHAT IS THIS:

its like the game still has a long way to go in terms of optimization.

FO4 has the high distinction of being the only game in the last 20 years where your Ram's speed is a major factor in performance.

So yeah, the fact it's Gamebryo aside, FO4 is a real oddball.

It's a technical mess is what it is. I'm guessing there's reasons why the game performs poorly even on high end cards lol

[bLaCkShAd0w]

Im using vogue and HBAO, Works fine, Not sure how much loss as I'm capped to 60 fps but it hasn't dropped below that running the extras. Just make sure you don't use FXAA as ENB runs its own aliasing.

[Hollywood Nepotism]

Originally posted by bLaCkShAd0w:

Im using vogue and HBAO, Works fine, Not sure how much loss as I'm capped to 60 fps but it hasn't dropped below that running the extras. Just make sure you don't use FXAA as ENB runs its own aliasing.

I know but Vogue creator says you CAN leave it on. FXAA eating up frames for no reason then?

[bLaCkShAd0w]

Originally posted by WHAT IS THIS:

Originally posted by bLaCkShAd0w:

Im using vogue and HBAO, Works fine, Not sure how much loss as I'm capped to 60 fps but it hasn't dropped below that running the extras. Just make sure you don't use FXAA as ENB runs its own aliasing.

I know but Vogue creator says you CAN leave it on. FXAA eating up frames for no reason then?

More than likely, Havent tested it myself, It looks beautiful using the reshade SMAA anyways, Way better than FXAA IMO.

[Hollywood Nepotism]

Originally posted by bLaCkShAd0w:

Originally posted by WHAT IS THIS:

I know but Vogue creator says you CAN leave it on. FXAA eating up frames for no reason then?

More than likely, Havent tested it myself, It looks beautiful using the reshade SMAA anyways, Way better than FXAA IMO.

Running a solid 60 FPS with HBAO+ on and on Ultra settings minus shadow distance and shadow quality. I suspect it's FXAA plus SMAA that's killing my frame rate.

[Zabavon]

In 1080p SSAO and HBAO is HEAVY for FPS.
Buy GTX 980 or OFF. Standart AO looks nice.

[LagMan_PT]

Hbao does look much better but the cost in terms of fps is really heavy near 10 fps for me, id rather go with ssao on my config

[Hobo Misanthropus]

Originally posted by LagMan_pt:

Hbao does look much better but the cost in terms of fps is really heavy near 10 fps for me, id rather go with ssao on my config

The question is, does it bring down your FPS to a lower-than-desired amount?

For the most part, if you're playing 1080p with a 970 or higher, the HBAO+ shouldn't bring you below the 60FPS cap. And times you do dip below 60FPS is probably more to do with shadow drawcalls clogging up your ♥♥♥♥.

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although this is old, but it's a rather good topic btw. i've managed to capture the differences between different ambient occlusion, even included the ENB SSAO. here they are: https://imgur.com/a/37Gmo