My synth theory...

[MsCyberKatz]

My personal opinion after playing Fallout 4, 13 times. Yes, on my 13th play thru as I make this comment. Over 1040 hrs and still playing. Since some are clones of the person they are replacing. That would make the same DNA of the cloned person(proof is Dr. Chambers test findings). Another point to add is that no test findings Dr. Chambers performed, you can not tell if they are synths, by the addition of sexual organs. Which Dr. Chambers again states there is no way to tell a synth from a human. Even when matching DNA testing were to be performed. Shaun may have the building block, as to the way the DNA is to be formed, with the synths of the institute. But as for a clone of a person, would include going as far as to the DNA level. Then the memories of the human being cloned is copied into the clone.
Plus the given fact Maxon(FO3) grew up in Rivot city, thus grew up with the knowledge of Danse as a local merchant. I mean how can you not know Danse when he's in the public eye. Whom with Maxon's(FO3) knowledge of association, knew Danse a very long time growing up. So sometime either on the Prydwen, during his 3 week search for Cutler, or maybe sometime after. The real Danse was questioned by the institute. Danse did not give any of the BOS secrets out. Thus they created a clone. But now, the headaches Danse suffered from, may have been him fighting his inner thoughts, being his subconscious. Thus his very strong feelings towards the BOS, and all they stand for was, carried to the clone. If Danse, say was kidnapped by the institute. I personally think that he have thoughts transferred to the clone without the institute realizing this, thus escaping, as he had done during "Blind Betrayal". When Danse states, "The moment I learned the truth, I knew my life was in danger. I'm a soldier, so self-preservation kicked in... I needed to regroup and assess the situation."
Now remember how Kellogg had the synth component placed in his brain.
Proof: (Implant update session #7 It contains a conversation between an Institute scientist and Kellogg, as implants are being installed in Kellogg's head.)
Just say they did the same to Danse. Due to the sudden headaches and lack of sleep Danse has been having, by reading the Doctor's notations in the terminal.
Stating: An entry on Knight-Captain Cade's terminal suggests Danse may be suffering from post-traumatic stress disorder or a similar issue.
The specific symptoms sighted are "inability to sleep and a dull throubing pain in head." All tests came back negative, so it was deemed psychological in nature.

Which would be my logical answer, a synth implant just like they performed on Kellogg. Thus perfecting it, that it would be far more advanced when it came to Danse. So sometime the institute did kidnap Danse. =^x^=
Fr: Scribe Neriah NR-490SS To: Proctor Quinlan QN-448PR
I've checked the data three additional times to confirm and I'm positive that the DNA sample we have on file for Paladin Danse matches the DNA sample you provided. I'm not certain why you're having me do these readings, but I can assure you that my data is accurate. Could you at least tell me where the sample you found originated from? So where did this dna sample come from?
The institute has a photo of Danse, with the M7-97 label attached. But is it the clone theory, or the implant. I am leaning more towards the implant theory. Which is causing his headaches. If you really think about it, people who have brain tumors have headaches before its found out... =^x^=

[Eminem]

Well done

yes I read the whole thing....

[Iron Knights]

Not a bad theory indeed. But if he is a tool for the Institute, wouldn't Danse work on the Prydwen closer to Maxson ? So he can spy for the Institute ? Or are you saying Maxson is aware and keeping him away on purpose ?

[DouglasGrave]

Kellogg has unique cybernetic upgrades, not a synth component.

[MsCyberKatz]

You know after all the times I killed Kellogg I did find cybernetic components in my misc inventory. You have to think. Gen 3s are more advanced, ie what Alan Binet stated, he thinks they have developed souls, as evolving. Then on a terminal in robotics, states "synthetic beings",
Now with Maxson case. He grew up with some knowledge of Danse, as I stated. Who could miss someone selling scrap in Rivot City. Its an aircraft carrier.
But as for Danse, I honestly think his brain is rejecting the implant, thus causing head pain. He has his heart, honor, soul, and would die for the BOS lineage. Like Scribe Haylen said, Danse is a selfless person

[Flippy]

There is a new big video about this on Youtube and it is quite a mystery.

If Fallout 4 didnt show Gen 3's actually being built the idea they are actually human couldnt be denied for example. That some that should be human like Zimmer and others do have synth components, but some for sure Synths dont, like Glory and others, further deepens the mystery.

[Iron Knights]

Same idea as Gen 2 Cylons from Battlestar Galactica, eventually indistinguishable from humans, humans genetically engineered and chip implanted.

[DouglasGrave]

I've pointed it out elsewhere before, but the closest we get to an identified function for a synth component is the courser chip being explicitly used to enable you to access the Molecular Relay.
As you're told by Dr. Li when she installs a chip in your Pipboy:

Player: "A courser chip? What's it do?"
Li: "The same thing it does for our Coursers. Creates a link to the Relay that allows them, and now you, to get in and out at will."

The function of the synth component itself is never clearly described, but given that it's visibly identical to a courser chip, it would be reasonable to conclude it also allows regular Gen 3 synths to use the Relay (but probably with more restricted permissions than a courser). Whether or not it has any further functions is unknown, as there's no relevant evidence.

[Iron Knights]

The overwhelming final conclusion of humans and AI, doesn't matter if you teach an AI from childhood all the good things about life & what bad things are, eventually as a collective, they will find themselves far superior to humans, or if you let them learn without teaching, even faster. And the reasons for war will be the usual. So the only possible future for humanity is a merge to prevent war. The idea was passed through few sci-fi games quite clearly so far & might be something we will have to deal with in a far away future. A wise, smart & not so obvious solution that works.

[DouglasGrave]

Oprindeligt skrevet af Iron Knights:

The overwhelming final conclusion of humans and AI, doesn't matter if you teach an AI from childhood all the good things about life & what bad things are, eventually as a collective, they will find themselves far superior to humans, or if you let them learn without teaching, even faster. And the reasons for war will be the usual. So the only possible future for humanity is a merge to prevent war. The idea was passed through few sci-fi games quite clearly so far & might be something we will have to deal with in a far away future. A wise, smart & not so obvious solution that works.

One thing that view overlooks is that an AI doesn't inherently have the same priorities as a human, including personal survival.

Creatures that evolved as living beings have an inherent priority to survive and reproduce, since if they didn't, they wouldn't be around by now. An artificial intelligence has no such inherent priorities, and simply has whatever priorities were assigned for it by its creator.

[MsCyberKatz]

What I really find the most confusing is when Danse says, "The moment I learned the truth, I knew my life was in danger. I'm a soldier, so self-preservation kicked in... I needed to regroup and assess the situation."
Which is a human response. Either way, Strong maybe slow, but all the times I played on the ps4 (736hrs), and now on Steam (1040+hrs) I still choose my big green meat shield. I just use danse for the perk. Lol sad but true

[MsCyberKatz]

By the way, I just play vanilla version on all my games, including all the dlcs ;) maybe i will try a mod. But very doubtful

[DouglasGrave]

Oprindeligt skrevet af MsCyberKatz:

What I really find the most confusing is when Danse says, "The moment I learned the truth, I knew my life was in danger. I'm a soldier, so self-preservation kicked in... I needed to regroup and assess the situation."
Which is a human response.

You can give an AI the same priorities for self-preservation as a human, it's just not the only option.

Most synths will try to survive because they're intended to provide continued service, so putting some priority on self-preservation is a natural part of their design. Compare that to an AI-guided missile, which may only care about surviving as a step towards reaching its target.

It's classic "Three Laws of Robotics" stuff. Survival is generally a desirable trait, as long as it doesn't compromise what the robot was designed to do.

[chris.boney]

in the year gazillion where you have laser/energy based weapons, nukes you can fit into your pocket, teleporters, super ai and robot bodies so far advanced you cant tell the difference between man and machine, i would say sentient ai are not so far away.

with such advanced ai as it is, i would say that even non sentient machines would still have self preservation programmed into them by their creator somewhere down the line.
"i exist therefore i am" saves on resources if nothing else.
and with the birth of sentient ai,
(danse rejecting certain programming and self re-writing his own brain)
it becomes
"i think therefore i am"

at least theyre not turning us into batteries,,, yet.

O.O

[MsCyberKatz]

I do want to see that vid Flippy was talking abt. If Steam would allow that link to be posted here. Or at least the youtube name so I can look it up, if links are not allowed.

[MsCyberKatz]

Now that makes sense abt the sentient AI. Thank you, so very much!!! *bows* =^x^=