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CivilizeThis Jul 23, 2020 @ 2:47pm
Help with CTD (Heavily Modded)
Been trying to get a stable modlist to no avail: Usually get a crash on any load save for any game I make, plus random CTD during gameplay once I get outside vault 111. I've done ini edits as I've seen recommended on forums, I've done clean installs each time I edit the modlist, I use loot to organize and am using Vortex to install. I'm open to cutting down the modlist, but through all of my trial and error I can't find the culprit mod. I also have alot of content from the creation club and wondering if any of that could possibly be causing a conflict. Any ideas? I don't know how people usually format their modlist to share for help but here goes:

0 0 Fallout4.esm

1 1 DLCRobot.esm

2 2 DLCworkshop01.esm

3 3 DLCCoast.esm

4 4 DLCworkshop02.esm

5 5 DLCworkshop03.esm

6 6 DLCNukaWorld.esm

7 7 DLCUltraHighResolution.esm

254 FE 0 ccbgsfo4016-prey.esl

254 FE 1 ccbgsfo4018-gaussrifleprototype.esl

254 FE 2 ccbgsfo4019-chinesestealtharmor.esl

254 FE 3 ccbgsfo4038-horsearmor.esl

254 FE 4 ccbgsfo4041-doommarinearmor.esl

254 FE 5 ccbgsfo4042-bfg.esl

254 FE 6 ccbgsfo4044-hellfirepowerarmor.esl

254 FE 7 ccfsvfo4001-modularmilitarybackpack.esl

254 FE 8 ccfrsfo4001-handmadeshotgun.esl

254 FE 9 cceejfo4001-decorationpack.esl

8 8 ccrzrfo4001-tunnelsnakes.esm

254 FE a ccbgsfo4045-advarccab.esl

254 FE b ccfsvfo4003-slocum.esl

254 FE c ccgcafo4012-factionas01acat.esl

254 FE d ccgcafo4014-factionas03gun.esl

254 FE e ccgcafo4022-factionas11vt.esl

254 FE f ccgcafo4023-factionas12army.esl

254 FE 10 ccawnfo4001-brandedattire.esl

9 9 ccswkfo4001-astronautpowerarmor.esm

254 FE 11 ccbgsfo4050-dgbcoll.esl

254 FE 12 ccbgsfo4052-dgdal.esl

254 FE 13 ccbgsfo4053-dggoldr.esl

254 FE 14 ccbgsfo4061-dgshiinu.esl

254 FE 15 ccbgsfo4036-trnsdg.esl

254 FE 16 ccfrsfo4002-antimaterielrifle.esl

254 FE 17 ccbgsfo4029-powerarmorskinpink.esl

254 FE 18 ccbgsfo4010-pippnk.esl

254 FE 19 ccsbjfo4001-solarflare.esl

254 FE 1a cckgjfo4001-bastion.esl

254 FE 1b ccqdrfo4001_powerarmorai.esl

254 FE 1c ccbgsfo4048-dovah.esl

254 FE 1d ccbgsfo4115-x02.esl

254 FE 1e ccrzrfo4002-disintegrate.esl

254 FE 1f ccbgsfo4116-heavyflamer.esl

254 FE 20 ccbgsfo4110-ws_enclave.esl

254 FE 21 ccbgsfo4096-as_enclave.esl

254 FE 22 ccbgsfo4035-pint.esl

254 FE 23 ccbgsfo4047-qthund.esl

254 FE 24 ccfrsfo4003-cr75l.esl

254 FE 25 ccbgsfo4040-vrworkshop01.esl

254 FE 26 ccfsvfo4005-vrdesertisland.esl

254 FE 27 ccfsvfo4006-vrwasteland.esl

254 FE 28 ccsbjfo4002_manwellrifle.esl

10 a cctosfo4002_neonflats.esm

254 FE 29 ccbgsfo4117-capmerc.esl

254 FE 2a ccfsvfo4004-vrworkshopgnrplaza.esl

254 FE 2b ccbgsfo4046-tescan.esl

254 FE 2c ccgcafo4025-pagunmm.esl

11 b Unofficial Fallout 4 Patch.esp

12 c Homemaker.esm

13 d WorkshopFramework.esm

254 FE 2d ModularMilitaryBackpackWeightPatch.esl

14 e CWWorkshopMaster.esm

15 f ArmorKeywords.esm

254 FE 2e BerettaM9FS.esl

16 10 SettlementKeywords.esm

17 11 TrueStormsFO4.esm

18 12 BetterSettlersNoLollygagging.esp

19 13 MoreUniques.esp

20 14 BTInteriors_Project.esp

21 15 LootableCrates.esp

22 16 MadKea-01.esp

23 17 clothingoverhaul.esp

24 18 MojaveImports.esp

25 19 AdvancedPerks.esp

26 1a AdvancedWorkshopFoodHarvesting-AllDLC.esp

27 1b LootableCrates MergedDLCs.esp

28 1c Multiple Floors Sandboxing.esp

29 1d MinutemenPropaganda.esp

30 1e LureEnemies.esp

31 1f KURO.esp

32 20 WDP-PC.esp

33 21 AnS Wearable Backpacks and Pouches.esp

34 22 AnS Wearable Backpacks and Pouches - Power Armor Carry Capacity.esp

35 23 TrueStormsFO4-EarlierSunsets.esp

36 24 Thematic and Practical.esp

37 25 Thematic and Practical - DLC.esp

38 26 M2216.esp

39 27 The Eyes Of Beauty.esp

40 28 Ketaros_Treasures.esp

41 29 WestTekTacticalOptics.esp

42 2a moreXplore.esp

43 2b ConcordEXPANDED.esp

44 2c Raider Gang Extended NPC.esp

45 2d CombatZoneRestored.esp

46 2e Eli_Armour_Compendium.esp

47 2f RecruitableSettlers.esp

48 30 Ketaros_Magazines.esp

49 31 WorkshopPlus.esp

50 32 Backpacks of the Commonwealth.esp

51 33 Boston Pirate Radio.esp

52 34 UniqueUniques.esp

53 35 CCOFO4 - Traits and More Perks.esp

54 36 PlayerVoiceFrequencySlider.esp

55 37 3DNPC_FO4Settler.esp

56 38 MAGS.esp

57 39 p865_SyntheticLove.esp

58 3a SettlementMenuManager.esp

59 3b SettlementLimitSlashed.esp

60 3c Reverb and Ambiance Overhaul.esp

61 3d RecruitableSettlersFH.esp

62 3e dD-Realistic Ragdoll Force.esp

63 3f PWR.esp

64 40 AzarPonytailHairstyles.esp

65 41 Northland Diggers New.esp

66 42 More Scavenging Stations.esp

67 43 EvilViking13_MinutemenMorale.esp

68 44 Lots More Male Hairstyles.esp

69 45 Lots More Female Hairstyles.esp

70 46 Lots More Facial Hair.esp

71 47 LooksMenu.esp

72 48 LivingInterior.esp

73 49 LegendaryModification.esp

74 4a InsideJobs.esp

75 4b Scroungers Weekly.esp

76 4c Home Plate Workbench Linked - Mechanists Lair Workbench.esp

77 4d GreaseRatGarbs.esp

254 FE 2f GreaseRatGarbs_SettlerPatch.esp

254 FE 30 GreaseRatGarbs_RaiderPatch.esp

78 4e GreaseGunSMG.esp

79 4f GlovesOfTheCommonwealth.esp

254 FE 31 FlashbangGrenades.esp

80 50 g2m_Workshop_Nexus.esp

81 51 Fallout Suite.esp

82 52 EveryonesBestFriend.esp

83 53 Factor.esp

84 54 Ephla's Unique Chems.esp

85 55 Nuka-Cola Flavors for the Commonwealth.esp

86 56 dD - MoreBloodandBits.esp

87 57 LooksMenu Customization Compendium.esp

88 58 dD-Enhanced Blood.esp

89 59 Dogmeat's Backpack.esp

90 5a DLCWeaponsinCW.esp

91 5b DLCAmmoScrounger.esp

92 5c TrueStormsFO4-FarHarbor.esp

93 5d DarkerNights.esp

94 5e Crossbow.esp

95 5f Crimsomrider's Immersive Market.esp

96 60 Covscript.esp

97 61 MK_ComponentsRedone.esp

98 62 KSHairdos.esp

99 63 CBBE.esp

100 64 BrighterSettlementLights.esp

101 65 BodyTriangleEnhancer.esp

102 66 BowAndArrow.esp

103 67 BetterGenerators.esp

104 68 BetterCompanions.esp

105 69 ClothingOverhaulSP_XB1_PC.esp

106 6a Automatron DLC Legendaries.esp

107 6b ASVektor.esp

108 6c AnimChemRedux.esp

109 6d 9mmPistol.esp

110 6e F4NVServiceRifleRedux.esp

111 6f cVc Dead Wasteland 6.esp

112 70 WattzLaserGun.esp

113 71 SL Magazines.esp

114 72 SCAR-L.esp

115 73 M60.esp

116 74 ClassicSniper.esp

117 75 llamaCompanionHeather.esp

118 76 NaiRaeCozyScavver.esp

119 77 RCSO_RoboChefSettlementObjects.esp

120 78 WWP - PC.esp

121 79 HuntingShotgun.esp

122 7a GOT.esp

123 7b cVc Dead Wasteland 6 DLC2.esp

124 7c cVc Dead Wasteland 6 DLC.esp

125 7d BullpupBozar.esp

126 7e HuntingRevolver.esp

127 7f AQUILA.esp

128 80 DOOMDesertEagle.esp

129 81 10mmSMG.esp

130 82 10SPECIAL.esp

131 83 45autoPistol.esp

132 84 Northland Diggers.esp

133 85 TrueStormsFO4-EarlierSunsetsFH.esp

134 86 LegendaryModificationMisc.esp

135 87 DarkerNightsDetection.esp

136 88 TrueStormsFO4-FarHarborExtraRads.esp

137 89 TrueStormsFO4-GlowingSeaExtraRads.esp

138 8a moreoil.esp

139 8b dinomore.esp

140 8c Armorsmith Extended.esp

141 8d llamaCompanionHeather-AE Patch.esp

142 8e Clothing Of The Commonwealth.esp

143 8f Scrap Everything - Ultimate Edition.esp

144 90 BetterSettlers.esp

145 91 StartMeUp.esp
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hyperparageom Jul 23, 2020 @ 3:20pm 
Just two thoughts off the top of my head: I have Scrap Everything at the bottom of my load order as I use a mixture of Nexus and Bethesda mods with the Bethesda load order as the primary over Vortex. Second thought: appears your system can handle a lot; specs would help to establish if a problem exists there. Lastly, there are brighter folks out here who can probably offer better help.:steamhappy:
Ripper Jul 23, 2020 @ 3:38pm 
Originally posted by CivilizeThis:
Been trying to get a stable modlist to no avail: Usually get a crash on any load save for any game I make, plus random CTD during gameplay once I get outside vault 111. I've done ini edits as I've seen recommended on forums, I've done clean installs each time I edit the modlist, I use loot to organize and am using Vortex to install. I'm open to cutting down the modlist, but through all of my trial and error I can't find the culprit mod. I also have alot of content from the creation club and wondering if any of that could possibly be causing a conflict. Any ideas? I don't know how people usually format their modlist to share for help but here goes:

0 0 Fallout4.esm

1 1 DLCRobot.esm

2 2 DLCworkshop01.esm

3 3 DLCCoast.esm

4 4 DLCworkshop02.esm

5 5 DLCworkshop03.esm

6 6 DLCNukaWorld.esm

7 7 DLCUltraHighResolution.esm

254 FE 0 ccbgsfo4016-prey.esl

254 FE 1 ccbgsfo4018-gaussrifleprototype.esl

254 FE 2 ccbgsfo4019-chinesestealtharmor.esl

254 FE 3 ccbgsfo4038-horsearmor.esl

254 FE 4 ccbgsfo4041-doommarinearmor.esl

254 FE 5 ccbgsfo4042-bfg.esl

254 FE 6 ccbgsfo4044-hellfirepowerarmor.esl

254 FE 7 ccfsvfo4001-modularmilitarybackpack.esl

254 FE 8 ccfrsfo4001-handmadeshotgun.esl

254 FE 9 cceejfo4001-decorationpack.esl

8 8 ccrzrfo4001-tunnelsnakes.esm

254 FE a ccbgsfo4045-advarccab.esl

254 FE b ccfsvfo4003-slocum.esl

254 FE c ccgcafo4012-factionas01acat.esl

254 FE d ccgcafo4014-factionas03gun.esl

254 FE e ccgcafo4022-factionas11vt.esl

254 FE f ccgcafo4023-factionas12army.esl

254 FE 10 ccawnfo4001-brandedattire.esl

9 9 ccswkfo4001-astronautpowerarmor.esm

254 FE 11 ccbgsfo4050-dgbcoll.esl

254 FE 12 ccbgsfo4052-dgdal.esl

254 FE 13 ccbgsfo4053-dggoldr.esl

254 FE 14 ccbgsfo4061-dgshiinu.esl

254 FE 15 ccbgsfo4036-trnsdg.esl

254 FE 16 ccfrsfo4002-antimaterielrifle.esl

254 FE 17 ccbgsfo4029-powerarmorskinpink.esl

254 FE 18 ccbgsfo4010-pippnk.esl

254 FE 19 ccsbjfo4001-solarflare.esl

254 FE 1a cckgjfo4001-bastion.esl

254 FE 1b ccqdrfo4001_powerarmorai.esl

254 FE 1c ccbgsfo4048-dovah.esl

254 FE 1d ccbgsfo4115-x02.esl

254 FE 1e ccrzrfo4002-disintegrate.esl

254 FE 1f ccbgsfo4116-heavyflamer.esl

254 FE 20 ccbgsfo4110-ws_enclave.esl

254 FE 21 ccbgsfo4096-as_enclave.esl

254 FE 22 ccbgsfo4035-pint.esl

254 FE 23 ccbgsfo4047-qthund.esl

254 FE 24 ccfrsfo4003-cr75l.esl

254 FE 25 ccbgsfo4040-vrworkshop01.esl

254 FE 26 ccfsvfo4005-vrdesertisland.esl

254 FE 27 ccfsvfo4006-vrwasteland.esl

254 FE 28 ccsbjfo4002_manwellrifle.esl

10 a cctosfo4002_neonflats.esm

254 FE 29 ccbgsfo4117-capmerc.esl

254 FE 2a ccfsvfo4004-vrworkshopgnrplaza.esl

254 FE 2b ccbgsfo4046-tescan.esl

254 FE 2c ccgcafo4025-pagunmm.esl

11 b Unofficial Fallout 4 Patch.esp

12 c Homemaker.esm

13 d WorkshopFramework.esm

254 FE 2d ModularMilitaryBackpackWeightPatch.esl

14 e CWWorkshopMaster.esm

15 f ArmorKeywords.esm

254 FE 2e BerettaM9FS.esl

16 10 SettlementKeywords.esm

17 11 TrueStormsFO4.esm

18 12 BetterSettlersNoLollygagging.esp

19 13 MoreUniques.esp

20 14 BTInteriors_Project.esp

21 15 LootableCrates.esp

22 16 MadKea-01.esp

23 17 clothingoverhaul.esp

24 18 MojaveImports.esp

25 19 AdvancedPerks.esp

26 1a AdvancedWorkshopFoodHarvesting-AllDLC.esp

27 1b LootableCrates MergedDLCs.esp

28 1c Multiple Floors Sandboxing.esp

29 1d MinutemenPropaganda.esp

30 1e LureEnemies.esp

31 1f KURO.esp

32 20 WDP-PC.esp

33 21 AnS Wearable Backpacks and Pouches.esp

34 22 AnS Wearable Backpacks and Pouches - Power Armor Carry Capacity.esp

35 23 TrueStormsFO4-EarlierSunsets.esp

36 24 Thematic and Practical.esp

37 25 Thematic and Practical - DLC.esp

38 26 M2216.esp

39 27 The Eyes Of Beauty.esp

40 28 Ketaros_Treasures.esp

41 29 WestTekTacticalOptics.esp

42 2a moreXplore.esp

43 2b ConcordEXPANDED.esp

44 2c Raider Gang Extended NPC.esp

45 2d CombatZoneRestored.esp

46 2e Eli_Armour_Compendium.esp

47 2f RecruitableSettlers.esp

48 30 Ketaros_Magazines.esp

49 31 WorkshopPlus.esp

50 32 Backpacks of the Commonwealth.esp

51 33 Boston Pirate Radio.esp

52 34 UniqueUniques.esp

53 35 CCOFO4 - Traits and More Perks.esp

54 36 PlayerVoiceFrequencySlider.esp

55 37 3DNPC_FO4Settler.esp

56 38 MAGS.esp

57 39 p865_SyntheticLove.esp

58 3a SettlementMenuManager.esp

59 3b SettlementLimitSlashed.esp

60 3c Reverb and Ambiance Overhaul.esp

61 3d RecruitableSettlersFH.esp

62 3e dD-Realistic Ragdoll Force.esp

63 3f PWR.esp

64 40 AzarPonytailHairstyles.esp

65 41 Northland Diggers New.esp

66 42 More Scavenging Stations.esp

67 43 EvilViking13_MinutemenMorale.esp

68 44 Lots More Male Hairstyles.esp

69 45 Lots More Female Hairstyles.esp

70 46 Lots More Facial Hair.esp

71 47 LooksMenu.esp

72 48 LivingInterior.esp

73 49 LegendaryModification.esp

74 4a InsideJobs.esp

75 4b Scroungers Weekly.esp

76 4c Home Plate Workbench Linked - Mechanists Lair Workbench.esp

77 4d GreaseRatGarbs.esp

254 FE 2f GreaseRatGarbs_SettlerPatch.esp

254 FE 30 GreaseRatGarbs_RaiderPatch.esp

78 4e GreaseGunSMG.esp

79 4f GlovesOfTheCommonwealth.esp

254 FE 31 FlashbangGrenades.esp

80 50 g2m_Workshop_Nexus.esp

81 51 Fallout Suite.esp

82 52 EveryonesBestFriend.esp

83 53 Factor.esp

84 54 Ephla's Unique Chems.esp

85 55 Nuka-Cola Flavors for the Commonwealth.esp

86 56 dD - MoreBloodandBits.esp

87 57 LooksMenu Customization Compendium.esp

88 58 dD-Enhanced Blood.esp

89 59 Dogmeat's Backpack.esp

90 5a DLCWeaponsinCW.esp

91 5b DLCAmmoScrounger.esp

92 5c TrueStormsFO4-FarHarbor.esp

93 5d DarkerNights.esp

94 5e Crossbow.esp

95 5f Crimsomrider's Immersive Market.esp

96 60 Covscript.esp

97 61 MK_ComponentsRedone.esp

98 62 KSHairdos.esp

99 63 CBBE.esp

100 64 BrighterSettlementLights.esp

101 65 BodyTriangleEnhancer.esp

102 66 BowAndArrow.esp

103 67 BetterGenerators.esp

104 68 BetterCompanions.esp

105 69 ClothingOverhaulSP_XB1_PC.esp

106 6a Automatron DLC Legendaries.esp

107 6b ASVektor.esp

108 6c AnimChemRedux.esp

109 6d 9mmPistol.esp

110 6e F4NVServiceRifleRedux.esp

111 6f cVc Dead Wasteland 6.esp

112 70 WattzLaserGun.esp

113 71 SL Magazines.esp

114 72 SCAR-L.esp

115 73 M60.esp

116 74 ClassicSniper.esp

117 75 llamaCompanionHeather.esp

118 76 NaiRaeCozyScavver.esp

119 77 RCSO_RoboChefSettlementObjects.esp

120 78 WWP - PC.esp

121 79 HuntingShotgun.esp

122 7a GOT.esp

123 7b cVc Dead Wasteland 6 DLC2.esp

124 7c cVc Dead Wasteland 6 DLC.esp

125 7d BullpupBozar.esp

126 7e HuntingRevolver.esp

127 7f AQUILA.esp

128 80 DOOMDesertEagle.esp

129 81 10mmSMG.esp

130 82 10SPECIAL.esp

131 83 45autoPistol.esp

132 84 Northland Diggers.esp

133 85 TrueStormsFO4-EarlierSunsetsFH.esp

134 86 LegendaryModificationMisc.esp

135 87 DarkerNightsDetection.esp

136 88 TrueStormsFO4-FarHarborExtraRads.esp

137 89 TrueStormsFO4-GlowingSeaExtraRads.esp

138 8a moreoil.esp

139 8b dinomore.esp

140 8c Armorsmith Extended.esp

141 8d llamaCompanionHeather-AE Patch.esp

142 8e Clothing Of The Commonwealth.esp

143 8f Scrap Everything - Ultimate Edition.esp

144 90 BetterSettlers.esp

145 91 StartMeUp.esp




I have 51 mods and I CTD also... I have an RTX 2070s with an amd Ryzen 5 3600 and 16 gb of ram so I know it's definitely not spec related. I'm hoping turning off Weapon debris will work since it sounds like RTX cards don't like it for some reason. And it sounds like the most recent Windows 10 2004 update screwed stuff up. Hopefully this gets figured out quickly...
CivilizeThis Jul 23, 2020 @ 4:29pm 
I'm really not sure how to sort out load order manually, I just let vortex and loot do its thing
CivilizeThis Jul 23, 2020 @ 4:35pm 
Also, I have a NVIDIA GeForce GTX 1060 3GB 16GB ram I'm not super tech savvy so I dont know which specs to give
Havok Jul 23, 2020 @ 4:39pm 
Ok, so i was wondering why these didnt look familiar:

Anything that starts with cc is Creation Club content

254 FE 0 ccbgsfo4016-prey.esl
254 FE 1 ccbgsfo4018-gaussrifleprototype.esl
254 FE 2 ccbgsfo4019-chinesestealtharmor.esl
254 FE 3 ccbgsfo4038-horsearmor.esl
254 FE 4 ccbgsfo4041-doommarinearmor.esl
254 FE 5 ccbgsfo4042-bfg.esl
254 FE 6 ccbgsfo4044-hellfirepowerarmor.esl
254 FE 7 ccfsvfo4001-modularmilitarybackpack.esl
254 FE 8 ccfrsfo4001-handmadeshotgun.esl
254 FE 9 cceejfo4001-decorationpack.esl
8 8 ccrzrfo4001-tunnelsnakes.esm
254 FE a ccbgsfo4045-advarccab.esl
254 FE b ccfsvfo4003-slocum.esl
254 FE c ccgcafo4012-factionas01acat.esl
254 FE d ccgcafo4014-factionas03gun.esl
254 FE e ccgcafo4022-factionas11vt.esl
254 FE f ccgcafo4023-factionas12army.esl
254 FE 10 ccawnfo4001-brandedattire.esl
9 9 ccswkfo4001-astronautpowerarmor.esm
254 FE 11 ccbgsfo4050-dgbcoll.esl
254 FE 12 ccbgsfo4052-dgdal.esl
254 FE 13 ccbgsfo4053-dggoldr.esl
254 FE 14 ccbgsfo4061-dgshiinu.esl
254 FE 15 ccbgsfo4036-trnsdg.esl
254 FE 16 ccfrsfo4002-antimaterielrifle.esl
254 FE 17 ccbgsfo4029-powerarmorskinpink.esl
254 FE 18 ccbgsfo4010-pippnk.esl
254 FE 19 ccsbjfo4001-solarflare.esl
254 FE 1a cckgjfo4001-bastion.esl
254 FE 1b ccqdrfo4001_powerarmorai.esl
254 FE 1c ccbgsfo4048-dovah.esl
254 FE 1d ccbgsfo4115-x02.esl
254 FE 1e ccrzrfo4002-disintegrate.esl
254 FE 1f ccbgsfo4116-heavyflamer.esl
254 FE 20 ccbgsfo4110-ws_enclave.esl
254 FE 21 ccbgsfo4096-as_enclave.esl
254 FE 22 ccbgsfo4035-pint.esl
254 FE 23 ccbgsfo4047-qthund.esl
254 FE 24 ccfrsfo4003-cr75l.esl
254 FE 25 ccbgsfo4040-vrworkshop01.esl
254 FE 26 ccfsvfo4005-vrdesertisland.esl
254 FE 27 ccfsvfo4006-vrwasteland.esl
254 FE 28 ccsbjfo4002_manwellrifle.esl
10 a cctosfo4002_neonflats.esm
254 FE 29 ccbgsfo4117-capmerc.esl
254 FE 2a ccfsvfo4004-vrworkshopgnrplaza.esl
254 FE 2b ccbgsfo4046-tescan.esl
254 FE 2c ccgcafo4025-pagunmm.esl

You have A LOT of CC mods in there with Nexus Mods.. Here is what I would recommend. Disable all of the CC stuff.

Then Disable everything except:
11 b Unofficial Fallout 4 Patch.esp
145 91 StartMeUp.esp

You say this
plus random CTD during gameplay once I get outside vault 111

Now Start Me Up puts you outside Vault 111 i think, so if you have stability where you crashed before, keep it, however, I would recommend this instead of StartMeUp
https://www.nexusmods.com/fallout4/mods/14253/

This is a lot cleaner, simpler, and puts you at sactuary if you dont choose any other starting point, meaning, if you just grab your pip boy, walk out the door, youre already infront of codsworth

Then I would prioritize re-enabling mods.

1. "World Edits" - These include things like truestorms, graphics overhauls and building overhauls
2. "Resource Overhauls" - These include things like Armorsmith, Weaponsmith, and any weapons
3. "Player and/or NPC overhauls" - These include things like CBBE, new followers, follower updates like better piper or whatever
4. "Clothing Overhauls" - Self explanatory, these are generally the least intrusive, worse comes to worse, you get invisible characters
5. "Misc Edits" - These could be things like Chem Redux, Darker Nights, and so on.
6. Once you have finished reenabling the nexus mods By Order of how heavily they overhaul the game then you can enable CC mods, 1 by 1 until you isolate what is breaking

I have a 255 esp/esm load order and i never get back to back crashes. If i crash its normally due to the game being overloaded at the time of crash. Id say i probably play 4 hours if im having a pretty big session, and in those 4 hours, maybe i will crash once due to teleporting.

If i add a mod to my load order without removing 1 or 2, LOOT will just straight up refuse to sort because im past the plugin limit
Last edited by Havok; Jul 23, 2020 @ 4:45pm
CivilizeThis Jul 23, 2020 @ 4:46pm 
Thanks for the help. there are a decent amount of CC that I dont need and can just purge but are you sure it's a CC that's causing the issue?
Havok Jul 23, 2020 @ 4:53pm 
Originally posted by CivilizeThis:
Thanks for the help. there are a decent amount of CC that I dont need and can just purge but are you sure it's a CC that's causing the issue?

No im not sure, thats why disable them first and enable them last.

You want to sort out and determine if its a Nexus one as if there is a patch that you are missing, those are generally easier to come by (i dont use CC so i dont know if thats entirely accurate, but still)

So focus on heavily intrusive mods, play for a few hours, and by that i mean get the minutemen set up in sactuary. if youre stable there, which is the Triangle of Death, the mods you have at that time are stable enough to move on. (could crash later, but we are focusing on baseline stability at this point)

Then just keep adding mods on top of it. Once you get to the point of having the weapons and player/npc overhauls, try and get to diamond city on foot. then teleport a few times. If you can do that then youre probably good to finish out the non-CC mods.

Then enable CC mods 1 by one, and see if it breaks. My suspicion is you have something that isnt loading the resources properly in sanctuary-area if youre crashing outside vault 111.

We all have to go through this process at some point in modding Bethesda games. Just cherry pick until you crash or achieve stability. I periodically go through my load order and remove mods im not using in SSE and F4 to limit the strain on my game
Last edited by Havok; Jul 23, 2020 @ 4:55pm
CivilizeThis Jul 23, 2020 @ 4:55pm 
So (Sorry for my ignorance, im an amatuer at modding) should I start a new game everytime I do the test, or work off the same file?
Havok Jul 23, 2020 @ 4:58pm 
Originally posted by CivilizeThis:
So (Sorry for my ignorance, im an amatuer at modding) should I start a new game everytime I do the test, or work off the same file?

Every time you disable a mod, you want to start a new game. I delete all my save whenever im mucking around with the load order.

so if you follow steps 1-6 that i put up earlier, you want a save game before every step. So New game with Alternate Start, play around for a bit, quit, delete saves, add more mods, new game w/ alternate start, rinse and repeat

Your saves are here: C:\Users\<You>\Documents\My Games\Fallout4\Saves

You can back them up if you want, but i wouldnt recommend it, as youre probably going to find a few mods that you are just going to delete when doing this
CivilizeThis Jul 23, 2020 @ 5:02pm 
Gotya thanks so much I will do this process and let ya know what I come up with when i have some time :)
Havok Jul 23, 2020 @ 5:07pm 
Originally posted by CivilizeThis:
Gotya thanks so much I will do this process and let ya know what I come up with when i have some time :)

Good Luck!
CivilizeThis Jul 23, 2020 @ 8:08pm 
Okay so without CC content this seems to be stable as F*ck:

0 0 Fallout4.esm
1 1 DLCRobot.esm
2 2 DLCworkshop01.esm
3 3 DLCCoast.esm
4 4 DLCworkshop02.esm
5 5 DLCworkshop03.esm
6 6 DLCNukaWorld.esm
7 7 DLCUltraHighResolution.esm
8 8 Unofficial Fallout 4 Patch.esp
9 9 Homemaker.esm
10 a WorkshopFramework.esm
254 FE 0 ModularMilitaryBackpackWeightPatch.esl
11 b CWWorkshopMaster.esm
12 c SettlementKeywords.esm
13 d ArmorKeywords.esm
254 FE 1 BerettaM9FS.esl
14 e TrueStormsFO4.esm
15 f MoreUniques.esp
16 10 MadKea-01.esp
17 11 clothingoverhaul.esp
18 12 MojaveImports.esp
19 13 AdvancedPerks.esp
20 14 AdvancedWorkshopFoodHarvesting-AllDLC.esp
21 15 Multiple Floors Sandboxing.esp
22 16 MinutemenPropaganda.esp
23 17 LureEnemies.esp
24 18 KURO.esp
25 19 WDP-PC.esp
26 1a AnS Wearable Backpacks and Pouches.esp
27 1b AnS Wearable Backpacks and Pouches - Power Armor Carry Capacity.esp
28 1c Ketaros_Treasures.esp
29 1d WestTekTacticalOptics.esp
30 1e CCOFO4 - Traits and More Perks.esp
31 1f PlayerVoiceFrequencySlider.esp
32 20 Thematic and Practical.esp
33 21 Thematic and Practical - DLC.esp
34 22 M2216.esp
35 23 The Eyes Of Beauty.esp
36 24 SettlementMenuManager.esp
37 25 SettlementLimitSlashed.esp
38 26 Reverb and Ambiance Overhaul.esp
39 27 dD-Realistic Ragdoll Force.esp
40 28 PWR.esp
41 29 AzarPonytailHairstyles.esp
42 2a Northland Diggers New.esp
43 2b More Scavenging Stations.esp
44 2c EvilViking13_MinutemenMorale.esp
45 2d Lots More Male Hairstyles.esp
46 2e Lots More Female Hairstyles.esp
47 2f Lots More Facial Hair.esp
48 30 LooksMenu.esp
49 31 LivingInterior.esp
50 32 LegendaryModification.esp
51 33 Home Plate Workbench Linked - Mechanists Lair Workbench.esp
52 34 g2m_Workshop_Nexus.esp
53 35 GlovesOfTheCommonwealth.esp
54 36 Factor.esp
55 37 EveryonesBestFriend.esp
56 38 Ephla's Unique Chems.esp
57 39 Nuka-Cola Flavors for the Commonwealth.esp
58 3a dD - MoreBloodandBits.esp
59 3b LooksMenu Customization Compendium.esp
60 3c dD-Enhanced Blood.esp
61 3d DLCWeaponsinCW.esp
62 3e DLCAmmoScrounger.esp
63 3f TrueStormsFO4-FarHarbor.esp
64 40 DarkerNights.esp
65 41 Crossbow.esp
66 42 Crimsomrider's Immersive Market.esp
67 43 KSHairdos.esp
68 44 MK_ComponentsRedone.esp
69 45 CBBE.esp
70 46 BrighterSettlementLights.esp
71 47 BodyTriangleEnhancer.esp
72 48 BetterGenerators.esp
73 49 BetterCompanions.esp
74 4a Eli_Armour_Compendium.esp
75 4b Ketaros_Magazines.esp
76 4c WorkshopPlus.esp
77 4d Backpacks of the Commonwealth.esp
78 4e Boston Pirate Radio.esp
79 4f MAGS.esp
80 50 GreaseGunSMG.esp
81 51 ASVektor.esp
82 52 AnimChemRedux.esp
83 53 CreationClubDelay.esp
84 54 Scroungers Weekly.esp
85 55 9mmPistol.esp
86 56 F4NVServiceRifleRedux.esp
87 57 cVc Dead Wasteland 6.esp
88 58 WattzLaserGun.esp
89 59 SL Magazines.esp
90 5a SCAR-L.esp
91 5b M60.esp
92 5c ClassicSniper.esp
93 5d llamaCompanionHeather.esp
94 5e NaiRaeCozyScavver.esp
95 5f RCSO_RoboChefSettlementObjects.esp
96 60 WWP - PC.esp
97 61 HuntingShotgun.esp
98 62 GOT.esp
99 63 cVc Dead Wasteland 6 DLC2.esp
100 64 cVc Dead Wasteland 6 DLC.esp
101 65 BullpupBozar.esp
102 66 HuntingRevolver.esp
103 67 AQUILA.esp
104 68 DOOMDesertEagle.esp
105 69 10SPECIAL.esp
106 6a 10mmSMG.esp
107 6b 45autoPistol.esp
108 6c Northland Diggers.esp
109 6d LegendaryModificationMisc.esp
110 6e DarkerNightsDetection.esp
111 6f TrueStormsFO4-EarlierSunsets.esp
112 70 TrueStormsFO4-EarlierSunsetsFH.esp
113 71 TrueStormsFO4-FarHarborExtraRads.esp
114 72 TrueStormsFO4-GlowingSeaExtraRads.esp
115 73 ClothingOverhaulSP_XB1_PC.esp
116 74 moreoil.esp
117 75 dinomore.esp
118 76 Armorsmith Extended.esp
119 77 llamaCompanionHeather-AE Patch.esp
120 78 Scrap Everything - Ultimate Edition.esp
121 79 StartMeUp.esp

I'm really afraid to add any CC content and cause any more issues lmao but here goes. Gonna leave off anything I don't desperatley need.
Imanoldcoot Jul 23, 2020 @ 8:21pm 
Not sure about some of you but as others have pointed out and I will also, everything in my game with 242 mods has been working just fine till the last windows 10 update. I really hate 10, always have and will never feel otherwise. Since the update its been one crash after the other no matter what I do.
CivilizeThis Jul 23, 2020 @ 8:25pm 
Welp this doesn't bode well. After installing the CC I really wanted, upon reloading the content, my game CTD lmao. Now I didnt have any mods enabled as I found it causes the CC club menu to glitch out , so it can't be a mod conflict. Will see what happens when i try to boot up with the modlist. I cut out quite a few mods to make it work, but it was smooth as silk no stuttering no crash no nothing. I honestly think it was the new interiors mods/ recruitable settlers/ or better settlers causing the issue, and I don't have the patience to narrow it down between those so, oh well.
Imanoldcoot Jul 23, 2020 @ 8:37pm 
After reading about some more it is most likely the last Win 10 update.. have reconfigured some of the graphic setting to see if this works. Thing is, this doesn't bode well. for FO4 if t hey are going to continue with this sort of thing with every update. Just as bad as Bethesda.
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