Fallout TV Series Is Likely Woke

[Peeratat]

As the Fallout TV series gears up, there's growing concern it's heading down the all-too-familiar 'woke' path. With a female lead at the helm, the show seems poised to follow the trend of other game adaptations like The Witcher and The Last of Us, which have been criticized for veering into woke territory.

Why the worry? The female lead character is a glaring red flag. Based on recent trends, she'll likely be an over-empowered, unrealistically flawless 'girl boss' archetype, echoing a pattern that's become a staple in modern adaptations. This approach often sacrifices complex character development for a one-dimensional portrayal that ticks the inclusivity box but fails to resonate with the essence of Fallout.

The cast ensemble further fuels these fears. If the trend holds, expect a lineup designed more to showcase diversity quotas than to capture the gritty, post-apocalyptic spirit of Fallout. The richness of the game's universe risks being overshadowed by an overt focus on representing every possible demographic, regardless of whether it fits the narrative.

History doesn't bode well either. Recent game-to-TV adaptations have leaned heavily into woke themes, often at the cost of the source material's integrity. It's a pattern that's left many fans disillusioned, questioning whether these shows are more about pushing a social agenda than staying true to the games they're based on.

But there's a sliver of hope. The series is under the direction of Jonathan Nolan, Christopher Nolan's brother. Jonathan is known for his work on Westworld, a show that, while complex, managed to avoid falling into the woke trap. Christopher Nolan's reputation for deep, thought-provoking storytelling in films like Inception and The Dark Knight offers a glimmer of hope that Jonathan might bring a similar depth and avoidance of cliché to the Fallout series.

However, this hope is slim. The pressure to conform to the prevailing 'woke' culture in media is immense, and even a Nolan might find it hard to resist.

[Skarmo]

How can so many U.S. Americans be so much obsessed by a single word? I am glad to live in Europe (Germany, that is). While we have similar social distortions like in the U.S., we don't get that silly about "woke" or whatever.

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nobalkain の投稿を引用：

Trust me when I say this guy here will Bully and Insult you anyway he can. I tried many times to have a Civil Discussion with him before and it always lead to him Bullying with Insults to try and Shame me for actually liking Beautiful Women.

I didnt "shame" you I called you a weirdo for playing Mortal kombat to look at tits, which you are, and the so called "civil discussion" was being called an animal ♥♥♥♥♥♥

if the issue was with the writing of the show chuds wouldnt be complaining that vaults shouldnt have black people in them or that the lead is going to be a "girlboss mary sue" (nonsense words) with literally no proof besides the fact that a woman is the lead.

also, complaining about the writing in a TEASER TRAILER is worthless nonsense

guess what buddy, Fallout has always been political, and its never been political in the ways you want it to be.

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Skarmo の投稿を引用：

How can so many U.S. Americans be so much obsessed by a single word? I am glad to live in Europe (Germany, that is). While we have similar social distortions like in the U.S., we don't get that silly about "woke" or whatever.

by thinking their beliefs should be the same belief by everything ever made, and any variation is an attack on them. these people forget fallout has always been a more left leaning series in the first place

[The Machine]

so is it going to be ncr vs eastern bos vs raiders?

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The Machine の投稿を引用：

so is it going to be ncr vs eastern bos vs raiders?

we dont know yet, but i'd imagine so, maybe more focused on NCR Vs BOS, as thats a little more interesting than throwing generic screaming madmen in the major story, the "raider" archetype is pretty generic, chaos good order bad

[nobalkain]

The Machine の投稿を引用：

so is it going to be ncr vs eastern bos vs raiders?

They already said in an Article that the Groups will be looking for a McGuffin, so that alone is not a good sign. I have gotten so sick of these Bad Writers constantly going with the Mystery Box approach to Story Telling. I just hope we also dont get the tired Trope of Girl Boss as well. Time will tell though.

[Drizzt]

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Drizzt の投稿を引用：

i would argue it's progressive and satirical

but "woke" has some very specific connotations in the current times

personally i had not heard of the term until the last few years

prior to that the most widely used pejorative against progressives seemed to be "SJW", as far as i was seeing with my limited exposure to social media (YouTube and the Steam forums)

but like "woke", "SJW" was thrown around by many people at anyone expressing any kind of progressive idea, or speaking out against something they thought was offensive or unacceptable

the same way "woke" is now often (over)used

Fallout is not "woke"

while "woke" to right wingers tends to mean women and/or black people in a cast nowadays, woke is just supposed to mean progressive and aware of social issues. which fallout absolutely is, its a criticism of american culture, that alone sets it towards being "woke" in a more definition based sense

kind of hard to feel that criticism of the show is valid so far since half of it is chuds screeching about a non straight white man being the lead

of course no criticism of the show is particularly valid yet - there is no show

and you literally just defined what you assume the people you disagree with mean when they say "woke"

Listed の投稿を引用：

...."woke" to right wingers tends to mean women and/or black people in a cast nowadays....

now you were a bit reductive there, since under that definition, pretty much every show or movie could be described as "woke"

and your next definition:

Listed の投稿を引用：

....woke is just supposed to mean progressive and aware of social issues....

is the same as the definition of progressive

so why not just use the word progressive? since then you can differentiate it from the word that is being ambiguously used a slur

also - if your adversaries are using it to mean progressive - then yes, Fallout is progressive

however.....

while i disagree with many of the assumptions made by the OP - they do spend time describing their definition of "woke"

and it is neither of yours

it is the more commonly used version when discussing modern movies and shows, where there has been a growing trend of poorly written characters, interacting in unrealistic ways, with often mean spirited or hostile overtones, and attempting to deflect all criticism of these things by declaring themselves to be champions of diversity and inclusivity - and casting anyone who criticises them as being opposed to these things

that is closer to what the OP was describing as "woke"

and with that definition Fallout is not woke

but it is obviously and unashamedly progressive

and regardless of any of this - no one has any idea about how the show will present

we have all seen the same 2 minute trailer

which showed us very little

- There is a female vault dweller
- She exits into an unfamiliar world
- She is warned by someone that she must adapt to survive
- There is a ghoul
- There is a dog with a severed hand in its mouth (hopefully a harbinger for an R rating)
- There is a cyclops
- There are vertibirds and power armor
- There is a bunch of shooting and action

and that's pretty much it

i do not think we even heard Walton Goggins speak
i do not think we saw the female vault dweller do anything much at all

basically f-all happened except splashing lots of stuff at us in the hopes of getting us excited

and i am excited, when before i was less so

if people want to come up with their theories based on very little information, assumptions and preconceptions then that's up to them

but in the context of what the OP described as "woke" - neither the Fallout universe or the show look woke (with much evidence for the games, and what little evidence we have for the show)

progressive yes - lots of evidence for the games - and why would it not be for the show? we live in an increasingly progressive world where most rational people just want to live and let live and not have the activists and the haters screaming from all sides about how anyone who does not entirely agree with them is the enemy and how everything is an example of one extreme or another

anyway - like i say - the OP did give their definition of "woke" - so that was the main one i was using when relating it to Fallout etc

if you want to use woke to mean something else then by all means - but you would need to be specific about who you believe is sharing that definition with you but arguing from the opposing side

so - who's psyched for the show? ;-)

[SkunkPlaysGames]

copium

[Lord Farquaad]

SkunkPlaysGames の投稿を引用：

copium

So who's a bitter stranger on the internet claiming poeple are coping about a show which only has a teaser trailer available? (Pro-tip: It's you)

Drizzt の投稿を引用：

so - who's psyched for the show? ;-)

I very much am. No matter how many people who want me to hate it because they do and are sad and bitter.

[Drizzt]

Lord Farquaad の投稿を引用：

Drizzt の投稿を引用：

so - who's psyched for the show? ;-)

I very much am. No matter how many people who want me to hate it because they do and are sad and bitter.

yeah - obviously we will all feel very slightly silly if it sucks :-)

but it seems sillier to get all hot and bothered about it sucking before we really know anything

i was trying to avoid looking forward to it - since i did not want to risk being disappointed - and before the trailer i was fine having no expectations either way

but then i watched the trailer

and dammit now i'm excited lol :-)

gonna go watch it again now and see how it is second time around :-)

(also - really glad you fixed the quote ;-))

[Drizzt]

Drizzt の投稿を引用：

gonna go watch it again now and see how it is second time around :-)

yup - it's fine - i'm excited :-)

and avoiding all further trailers

(also - is that kid walking behind her at the beginning the kid out of Ender's Game? the kid the main kid got in a fight with?)

[Drizzt]

also that vault riot looks like it could be pretty bloody

and plenty in the trailer to hint at it being R rated

Fallout meets Deadpool meets The Boys lol ;-)

[nobalkain]

Drizzt の投稿を引用：

Lord Farquaad の投稿を引用：

I very much am. No matter how many people who want me to hate it because they do and are sad and bitter.

yeah - obviously we will all feel very slightly silly if it sucks :-)

but it seems sillier to get all hot and bothered about it sucking before we really know anything

i was trying to avoid looking forward to it - since i did not want to risk being disappointed - and before the trailer i was fine having no expectations either way

but then i watched the trailer

and dammit now i'm excited lol :-)

gonna go watch it again now and see how it is second time around :-)

(also - really glad you fixed the quote ;-))

I dont think anyone should feel silly if it sucks, its just disappointing if so because we all know it has a lot of potential. I think regardless they got the look right from what we see. I really do hope it turns out good, because Amazon is also doing WH40K and I really want to see that they can start treating these IPs the way they should.

[Drizzt]

nobalkain の投稿を引用：

They already said in an Article that the Groups will be looking for a McGuffin.....

what?

like a water chip?

GECK?

Liam Neeson?

Platinum Chip?

Shaun?

;-)

[Drizzt]

nobalkain の投稿を引用：

Drizzt の投稿を引用：

yeah - obviously we will all feel very slightly silly if it sucks :-)

but it seems sillier to get all hot and bothered about it sucking before we really know anything

i was trying to avoid looking forward to it - since i did not want to risk being disappointed - and before the trailer i was fine having no expectations either way

but then i watched the trailer

and dammit now i'm excited lol :-)

gonna go watch it again now and see how it is second time around :-)

(also - really glad you fixed the quote ;-))

I dont think anyone should feel silly if it sucks, its just disappointing if so because we all know it has a lot of potential. I think regardless they got the look right from what we see. I really do hope it turns out good, because Amazon is also doing WH40K and I really want to see that they can start treating these IPs the way they should.

they are doing Warhammer?

nice :-)

not a big follower

but it is some cool stuff

and so many different takes on games

pretty psyched to see that one :-)