Game crashes after using the Minigun at the early game

[kamal1819]

When I pick up the minigun, right after getting inside the power armor the game crushes upon shooting a few rounds from the minigun.

PC specs: i3 10100F Gtx 1650 OC 16 DDR4 2666mhz RAM 1080p 180HZ

Update: I have disabled the weapon debree setting and it is now working as it should, thanks guys.

[Liquid Inc]

Do you have weapon debris turned on? I know your 1650 is capable of running it, but with a minigun that's a lot of processing that card has to do for the Physx system "weapon debris" runs on.
It might just be pushing it over the edge for your card to handle. Try turning it off and see if it still crashes there. If it does, it's not this and it's easy to turn back on, but if it solves it, it's just pushing it too much when you use the minigun.

[TheLoveMummy]

Disabling debris and decals are a good starting place. Reload the save and exit the armor and drop the minigun and see if it lets you finish the quest.

[Death Approaches]

such disinformation! PhysX I think 3, circa 2012? when they retired using the dedicated PCI physX accererator cards and only supported their own GPUs? Gave us the ability to put it on the least used processor, and then when it was open-sourced circa 2015 for all OSes and devices, it was was made so to run efficiently on any generic processing unit that had the power, and for most of us, even with NV ##60s and ##70s model cards, that is the multicore intel CPU, although depending on your driver configuration the user can check move it as they choose... an i3 is pretty weak, but so is a 50 model of any nvidia series. No idea which would run it better, but a GTX series firmware can handle weapon debris just fine.

The funny part here is that it's not Physx that does it, but Reflex/CUDA. That's the RTX issue.

It is possible, mind you. But I don't think that's it. Sound card channels, simultaneous voices. Could be anything, but if it's not 100% repeatable? Try other things.

Get in the PA, rip off the minigun, but then get out of the PA and go back into the building with the minigun in hand, see if you can fire it inside the Concord church.

Also what mods are you using? that's incredibly important.

Because weapon debris would have been an issue for ANYTHING, even a pistol, between the start of the game and the PA and vertibird minigun scene...

[Liquid Inc]

Originally posted by Death Approaches:

Because weapon debris would have been an issue for ANYTHING, even a pistol, between the start of the game and the PA and vertibird minigun scene...

my old 1080 would handle weapon debris for 99% of the time, then hit 3fps if i hit a metal box too many times.
A save/load would often fix it. It didn't crash though, but given the OP said minigun, i thought of my own issue with "too many hits", and a minigun will easily do a ton of hits.
Each of those shells producing "splash" debris, and in such a short time, may well have been causing OP's issues. It's a quick thing to turn off, test, and turn back on if it didn't work.

[Zotliatlicor]

The GTI 1650 TI card does not handle Weapons debris (i know, i had one) so all the Advice for all the RTX cards also apply to this card.

[isomorphic_projection]

No problems at all with it, my 3060 12 gb runs it with ease. Modded and all 60 fps, GOG version.

[Zotliatlicor]

Originally posted by isomorphic_projection:

No problems at all with it, my 3060 12 gb runs it with ease. Modded and all 60 fps, GOG version.

Do you use some mods to enable it then ? Since virtually every RTX owner crashes with Weapon Debris set to On.

[isomorphic_projection]

Originally posted by Zotliatlicor:

Originally posted by isomorphic_projection:

No problems at all with it, my 3060 12 gb runs it with ease. Modded and all 60 fps, GOG version.

Do you use some mods to enable it then ? Since virtually every RTX owner crashes with Weapon Debris set to On.

It's an nvidia card, running on nvidia drivers. The game is DRM free. So no Vulkan or OpenGL forced upon my GPU. It's the first time i run it, without a steam launcher in the back ground.

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[Liquid Inc]

Originally posted by isomorphic_projection:

It's an nvidia card, running on nvidia drivers. The game is DRM free. So no Vulkan or OpenGL forced upon my GPU. It's the first time i run it, without a steam launcher in the back ground.

Your clearly talking about things you have no idea about...
Vulkan and Opengl are graphics renderer's. They are nothing to do with DRM, and your Nvidia graphics card can/will run Vulkan/OpenGL games without issue... they are not "forced" upon your GPU, unless you play games using them. (Not sure what gave you that idea?)

You probably play Vulcan and/or OpenGL based games, since there are many of them.....

But that has NOTHING to do with what Weapon Debris does, which DOES NOT work on RTX cards... + weapon debris crash fix isn't even in that list either so you wouldn't even make it past the bridge in Sanctuary if it was turned on, since that Mod list doesn't fix it.....

So why are you even posting this drivel on this thread?
A) your not using weapon debris.
B) your using an RTX card not the 1650 that the OP is using
C) Your mod list is completely irrelevant

+ why are you running the high physics fix, if your locking the game at 60fps? It's completely pointless.

[isomorphic_projection]

The reason why i use the fix and cap it. Is so it does not use to much VRAM. And prevent tearing. A i am using weapon debris. B ask yourself what does raytracing do, shadows and light, so i disabled what's not in the real world, lensflare and godrays. And capped shadow distance. C my mod list is relevant, order and all. 1 mod wrong, which handles lights, shadows, water or reflections and you crash.

[Liquid Inc]

Originally posted by isomorphic_projection:

A i am using weapon debris.

No, your not. Without the fix mod present, you won't be playing beyond Sanctuary as you card literally cannot process it, and the game crashes.
Nvidia never gave any card after the GXT 1660 the ability to use weapon debris.

[isomorphic_projection]

Originally posted by Liquid Inc:

Originally posted by isomorphic_projection:

A i am using weapon debris.

No, your not. Without the fix mod present, you won't be playing beyond Sanctuary as you card literally cannot process it, and the game crashes.
Nvidia never gave any card after the GXT 1660 the ability to use weapon debris.

Well i am, your just try to figure out what i did to make it work. But i won't, nothing is free in this world.

[Liquid Inc]

Originally posted by isomorphic_projection:

Well i am

No, your really not... Especially given your lack of knowledge you certainly aren't doing it yourself, but everything you've written so far can be considered spam and/or trolling, because your just derailing the topic with drivel.

It doesn't benefit me either. I use AMD...

Originally posted by isomorphic_projection:

But i won't, nothing is free in this world.

Because it's not working for you, LOL, that's why you "won't" say. You just can't admit that you're posting this on the wrong thread and/or your flex didn't work. Weird flex though, it's not like a 3060 is that great anymore.

[Zotliatlicor]

Originally posted by isomorphic_projection:

The reason why i use the fix and cap it. Is so it does not use to much VRAM. And prevent tearing. A i am using weapon debris. B ask yourself what does raytracing do, shadows and light, so i disabled what's not in the real world, lensflare and godrays. And capped shadow distance. C my mod list is relevant, order and all. 1 mod wrong, which handles lights, shadows, water or reflections and you crash.

Just to give you the benefit of the doubt, i thought you might have some other stuff in your mod list that actually adress the Weapon Debris crash error, even though the mods themselves does not specifically adress this.

You DO indeed have a lot of mods that affect physics and graphics in your world. I thought maybe that High FPS Physic's Fix might do something nice, and i downloaded it and turned Weapon Debris back on.

But no, the game Crashed to desktop just like all the other 3451 times i have tried to make Weapons Debris work. Godrays have nothing to do with the Weapons Debris error. I can play with everything set to Ultra, everything enabled. I have 2 computers, one with RTX 2060 and one with RTX 3080. It makes NO difference. Weapon Debris and Nvidea (1660 Ti + ALL RTX) simply do not match, and this has been debated for eternity since the Cards came on the market.

Even seen clippings from Nividea itself pasted here that confirm it, and from Bethesda that there will be no fix for this on their part.

The mod Weapon Debris Crash Fix seems to do the trick for a lot of player, i just do not bother anymore, playing the game on all platforms (Ps4, XBoX and PC) for years and managing just fine without that one component.

But when you claim that it work for you on your computer, with RTX, and no mod that target it, this comunity will react like this: There is a 999.999,99 chance in a Million that you are not telling things correctly. Either not understanding the issue or just bluffing.

I still give you the benfit of the doubt, as it might be something else in your extensive mod list, so i think it is 0,0000099 chance you are correct. Better odds than the Lottery so thats that.

[Liquid Inc]

Originally posted by Zotliatlicor:

Just to give you the benefit of the doubt, i thought you might have some other stuff in your mod list that actually adress the Weapon Debris crash error, even though the mods themselves does not specifically adress this.

Initially, i thought they would have had the fix in their list. Thus Weapon Debris would work, but to not have it, yet claim it is working when Bethesda and Nvidia have both said it won't work is just super fishy.

Im not sure what they're trying to achieve tbh. First post was just a flex "i has this card and it works" but their specs don't match the OP's or anything so it wasn't even on topic....