What did 'you' do for the Covenant quest?

[drakvyr]

Me personally, I killed all of them and took Covenant for myself. I always put morality above all else. Even when I'm in a very complicated situation, I still choose for the morally superior option. I don't like Synths, I get the paranoia, and you have a right to dislike the Institute, they're evil see-u-and-tees, but torturing anyone who fails your "safe" quiz in a dungeon doesn't make you any better, even if 1 out of the 6 people turn out to be a robot spy.

"There ain't no wrong answers" yeah right.

[DouglasGrave]

Originally posted by SkunkPlaysGames:

Originally posted by DouglasGrave:

And that's just based on those who "fail" the test being 80% false positives when they capture and kill them. They aren't checking those who pass the test, which means they have no real idea of its accuracy because they don't know the percentage of synths in the population who took the test in the first place.

Their testing is currently no better than killing a random selection of people and finding out how many were synths. If there were a lot of synths passing by (and mostly getting false negative results), they may even be developing a test that's better at making them kill natural humans.

For example, if they tested 150 people and 15 failed, but a full 30 people were actually synths while they only found 3, it would give their test a 10% detection rate (3 out of 30) while the total presence of synths was 20% (30 out of 150). A rate like that would be worse than just randomly shooting people who pass by in the hope of killing some synths.

All I read is 10% less synths infiltrating the realbloods.

If your test kills proportionally more humans than synths, you're actually increasing the percentage of synths in the population.

[Xenon The Noble]

Are the escaped synths the ones you have to worry about, or just the synths sent to replace someone?
Is it always bad when they replace someone like Rodger Warwick?

[BGratz]

Get me right, i am a fan of syntetic life.
But when they come as infiltrators that is no good sign

[DouglasGrave]

Originally posted by BGratz:

Get me right, i am a fan of syntetic life.
But when they come as infiltrators that is no good sign

Noting, however, that there is a difference between infiltrators that replace someone, infiltrators who just have a fake identity, and Railroad synths with a fake identity.

Unfortunately, the surface dwellers can't really tell the difference between them.

[SkunkPlaysGames]

Originally posted by DouglasGrave:

Originally posted by SkunkPlaysGames:

All I read is 10% less synths infiltrating the realbloods.

If your test kills proportionally more humans than synths, you're actually increasing the percentage of synths in the population.

Covenant can discontinue their operation once the player assumes responsibility for the destruction of the Institute. The player can put an end to Covenant's operation through direct command once they swear their loyalty. Furthermore, the time Covenant has been in operation before the player discovers them is minimal.

The operation is essentially a failure but is nonetheless an op against the Institute making them an ally. The Institute bears responsibility for infiltrating the Commonwealth. Covenant deserves a pardon. Everyone in Covenant had their lives destroyed by the Institute. They were driven to their extremes.

At the end of the day, they are the enemy of my enemy and bound by extreme conditions.

[DouglasGrave]

Originally posted by SkunkPlaysGames:

Originally posted by DouglasGrave:

If your test kills proportionally more humans than synths, you're actually increasing the percentage of synths in the population.

Covenant can discontinue their operation once the player assumes responsibility for the destruction of the Institute. The player can put an end to Covenant's operation through direct command once they swear their loyalty. Furthermore, the time Covenant has been in operation before the player discovers them is minimal.

The operation is essentially a failure but is nonetheless an op against the Institute making them an ally. The Institute bears responsibility for infiltrating the Commonwealth. Covenant deserves a pardon. Everyone in Covenant had their lives destroyed by the Institute. They were driven to their extremes.

At the end of the day, they are the enemy of my enemy and bound by extreme conditions.

Each group bears responsibility for its own actions. Covenant is not absolved of blame for murdering travellers just because the Institute has also caused harm.

As a point of interest, since we never hear their stories we cannot even begin to guess whether any of the Covenant residents has genuinely suffered from Institute activity, or if they're simply using the idea of fighting a wasteland bogeyman as a way to explain the otherwise-irrational suffering that regular human beings inflict on each other. It can be easier to believe that your seemingly-friendly neighbour stabbed your mother because he'd been replaced by a synth than that he had a malicious human motive.

The exception is Dr. Chambers herself, who was a victim of the Broken Mask Incident. The irony there being that the BMI was completely unintentional, rather than malicious.

[Xenon The Noble]

Seems the question should be does the SAFE test kill more people than the synths who kill people, isn't it? If you kill 10 synths and 30 humans, and the 10 synths were going to replace 10 people... are you doing a good or an evil?

[BGratz]

Originally posted by SkunkPlaysGames:

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At the end of the day, they are the enemy of my enemy and bound by extreme conditions.

Just imagine they Tortured and murdered your Daughter because she answered idiotic questions the wrong way.

Their aim may be noble, but that is no excuse, they are on the same level as the raider that kill for fun

[DouglasGrave]

Originally posted by BGratz:

Originally posted by SkunkPlaysGames:

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At the end of the day, they are the enemy of my enemy and bound by extreme conditions.

Just imagine they Tortured and murdered your Daughter because she answered idiotic questions the wrong way.

Their aim may be noble, but that is no excuse, they are on the same level as the raider that kill for fun

What they're doing is also not just bad in its method, but also stupid.

Testing just the positive results is bad science that doesn't even serve their intended goal of developing an accurate test for synths. They're blindly killing people out of their emotional need for a test, rather than making any competent progress towards producing one.