Fallout 4 Why Not Synth Kellogg?

[pjedilord]

Why did Institute not clone Kellogg or make courser of Kellogg? think how
effective tough they would be to defeat if they build synth army of Kellogg?
Wanted Kellogg to have synth army?Could Institute make synth army of Kellogg?
Could courser of Kellogg be more effective than Kellogg?

So is Kellogg equivalent of Courser or better? Did people check to make sure
Kellogg was human and not synth? Is Preston synth issuing SS to visit
places to save people to stop SS from his missions? he does same thing
like synth would do?

[Necron Monolith ₿]

now that's a good question, often pondered that one myself.

[PeaceMaker]

Sometimes it's better to have an actual Human who knows the real nitty-gritty of the world inside and out and is willing to do anything as long as he's paid, than try to make a synth that pretends to know the real world inside and out. There is an element of life in a man that a synth simply cannot match and I'm pretty sure the Institute is starkly aware of that.

A knowledgeable and capable human willing to work for the Institute is a perfect infiltrator into the real human world, cos he IS human. He's been there, done that. For the Institute the actual world is probably still a bit of a mystery for them which is why some synths get caught when they fake being someone else.

Just cos you look exactly like someone don't mean you're gonna pass the smell test among family and friends.

Heck, did Kellogg not even prove that to them when he wiped out 3 synths single-handedly in front of them?

Kellogg is not a synth but he did take some enhancements to his body, probably as a reward. One I believe kept him alive longer or reduced aging.

[Liquid Inc]

Originally posted by PeaceMaker:

Kellogg is not a synth but he did take some enhancements to his body, probably as a reward. One I believe kept him alive longer or reduced aging.

it did both. (As you find out with Doctor Amari, during the MQ)

Originally posted by PeaceMaker:

. There is an element of life in a man that a synth simply cannot match and I'm pretty sure the Institute is starkly aware of that.

A knowledgeable and capable human willing to work for the Institute is a perfect infiltrator into the real human world, cos he IS human.

Im amazed he was never used as a memory bank for a Synth Courser. The Institute believed they were losing control of Kellogg, and Shaun decided to use him as a way for you to reach him, Solving 2 problems at once.
Your losing quite a lot of valuable memories that way though, that could have made a potent synth hunter that knew Boston inside and out...

[PeaceMaker]

Originally posted by Liquid Inc:

Im amazed he was never used as a memory bank for a Synth Courser. The Institute believed they were losing control of Kellogg, and Shaun decided to use him as a way for you to reach him, Solving 2 problems at once.
Your losing quite a lot of valuable memories that way though, that could have made a potent synth hunter that knew Boston inside and out...

That's the one problem with using a competent human against other humans for your goals... he might betray the Institute. But the Institute clearly thought the risk was worth it.

I suppose a Courser with Kellogg's memories would be a good choice, but I still think it would be less effective than just letting Kellogg be so he could do what he does best, even with the possible problems.

Besides what makes Humans really effective? It's that freedom to do what he wants to do. Control him, like a robot, and he will never be as effective in his work.

[Necron Monolith ₿]

https://youtu.be/ZUus9Z82Vec

[Twelvefield]

Originally posted by Menace to Sobriety:

now that's a good question, often pondered that one myself.

It IS a good question, one I never once thought about until now. I have no idea how the Institute chooses who to use as the base for synths. A mix of whomever is available and whomever is helpless at the moment, like Frankenstein, or more properly Young Frankenstein ("Abby Normal").

It's a bit like asking why Tyrell Corporation didn't make a replicant out of Deckard, since they very much desired Deckard to move forward with the Rachel program. Except maybe they did make a replicant out of Deckard...

[armbarchris]

Don't know if you've gotten far enough in the story, but there is a *very* good reason why the Director doesn't want more Kelloggs running around.

[pjedilord]

Originally posted by Menace to Sobriety:

now that's a good question, often pondered that one myself.

Originally posted by PeaceMaker:

Sometimes it's better to have an actual Human who knows the real nitty-gritty of the world inside and out and is willing to do anything as long as he's paid, than try to make a synth that pretends to know the real world inside and out. There is an element of life in a man that a synth simply cannot match and I'm pretty sure the Institute is starkly aware of that.

A knowledgeable and capable human willing to work for the Institute is a perfect infiltrator into the real human world, cos he IS human. He's been there, done that. For the Institute the actual world is probably still a bit of a mystery for them which is why some synths get caught when they fake being someone else.

Just cos you look exactly like someone don't mean you're gonna pass the smell test among family and friends.

Heck, did Kellogg not even prove that to them when he wiped out 3 synths single-handedly in front of them?

Kellogg is not a synth but he did take some enhancements to his body, probably as a reward. One I believe kept him alive longer or reduced aging.

Originally posted by Twelvefield:

Originally posted by Menace to Sobriety:

now that's a good question, often pondered that one myself.

It IS a good question, one I never once thought about until now. I have no idea how the Institute chooses who to use as the base for synths. A mix of whomever is available and whomever is helpless at the moment, like Frankenstein, or more properly Young Frankenstein ("Abby Normal").

It's a bit like asking why Tyrell Corporation didn't make a replicant out of Deckard, since they very much desired Deckard to move forward with the Rachel program. Except maybe they did make a replicant out of Deckard...

Could Institute make synth army of SS?Or synth army of Preston?

[A. Silvermane]

Way I understood it, Coursers were the institutes attempt at creating their own Kellog.

[pjedilord]

Originally posted by Liquid Inc:

A Synth army of Prestons?????? My god....

Preston No. 14; "I've got a Settlement in need of help General"

Preston No. 175; "That was my job to tell them that!"

Preston No. 52; "No, it was mine!."

Preston No. 201; "Here let me mark it for you"

Preston No. 97; "General, i have another settleme...." *Burns the SS alive with a flamethrower*

Yeah, i think one Preston is enough LOL

Heh thanks

[DouglasGrave]

The coursers provide most of Kellogg's combat ability, or supplant it entirely, while they likely don't have huge need for his specific experience, making it easier to just keep employing Kellogg.

Even the coursers aren't especially numerous. They're only a small fraction of the population of Gen 3 synths, and the Gen 3 synths are heavily outnumbered by the Gen 1 and 2 synths that handle most of the Institute's work.

There are relatively few jobs that need a courser, and they don't need more than one Kellogg.

[Twelvefield]

Would an army of Kellogg's be commanded by... General Mills? Or maybe Cap'n Crunch...

[pjedilord]

Originally posted by DouglasGrave:

The coursers provide most of Kellogg's combat ability, or supplant it entirely, while they likely don't have huge need for his specific experience, making it easier to just keep employing Kellogg.

Even the coursers aren't especially numerous. They're only a small fraction of the population of Gen 3 synths, and the Gen 3 synths are heavily outnumbered by the Gen 1 and 2 synths that handle most of the Institute's work.

There are relatively few jobs that need a courser, and they don't need more than one Kellogg.

So 100s or 1000 coursers they have? they made speed of gen 1?

[DouglasGrave]

Originally posted by pjedilord:

Originally posted by DouglasGrave:

The coursers provide most of Kellogg's combat ability, or supplant it entirely, while they likely don't have huge need for his specific experience, making it easier to just keep employing Kellogg.

Even the coursers aren't especially numerous. They're only a small fraction of the population of Gen 3 synths, and the Gen 3 synths are heavily outnumbered by the Gen 1 and 2 synths that handle most of the Institute's work.

There are relatively few jobs that need a courser, and they don't need more than one Kellogg.

So 100s or 1000 coursers they have? they made speed of gen 1?

We aren't told exact numbers, but I wouldn't be at all surprised if (in story terms) they have less than a hundred coursers.

Gameplay is one thing, but as far as the game's story is concerned, Patriot had a backlog of just thirteen synths he currently trusted enough to include in his escape plan, while a single courser was capable of easily defeating an entire building full of Gunners. With such small numbers of escaping synths and the coursers being so immensely capable, there just wouldn't be any need for large numbers of coursers.