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Xenon The Noble Mar 16, 2023 @ 12:47pm
Why is the Enclave bad again?
Sole survivor goes around shooting mutant bugs, supermutants, feral ghouls, mutant bears, mutant dogs, mutant almost everything. He's a good guy.
Okay. The Enclave, as I understand it, are totally wicked because they want to destroy all mutants with chemical or biological warfare. They're the most wicked faction in "the Lore".

Okay, explain to me like I'm and idiot (because it wouldn't matter, you're going to talk to me like I'm an idiot no matter what I do) why SS is the hero and the Enclave is wicked.

Wouldn't the Commonwealth be better off if there were no mutants at all?
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Originally posted by =EGC= kansasterry:
Originally posted by Xenon The Noble:
As for "before the war", you know that having a group of "leaders" sequestered away to continue the government after a nuclear war is what is the real life plan in the US, right? if that is the reason the Enclave is evil, then you have to say the real life government is evil. It' taken right out of the US playbook.

Not going to get real life political, just saying art is describing reality there.

I kinda meant after the war. "Kill the mutants" seems to be a common thing: kill the mutant bugs at Somerville Place, kill the Supermutants at Faneuil Hall, kill the ferals at just about anywhere, kill the mutant crabs at the Castle - all kill the mutants quests given by the undisputed good guys, the Minute Men via the anointed one Preston Garvey.

The BOS, MM and Enclave all seem to want to kill the mutants. MM to make the world safe for settlers. BOS because they hate them. Enclave to clear the way for non-mutated humans.
Good point that there is still radiation and they'll get mutated if they go on the surface still it's the plan of two other factions.

It is not the fact they had people in bunkers its the fact they essentially arranged the war and funded horrific experiments through vault-tec.

Their plan (according to terminal entries) was to rebuild the world to suit themselves without all those pesky restrictions on what the government was allowed to do.

In real life the bunkers are their to flee to so there is someone left to be the government and continue the existing civilization under the existing rules not a place occupied for the purpose of wiping out the people and taking over the world.

Remember the video I linked literally shows them executing the occupants of a vault without any reason and the terminal entries made it clear the enclave had been in contact with them getting them to open the door by having all the right authorization codes to convince them they were the government there to help them.
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Diakoptes Mar 16, 2023 @ 12:49pm 
the people are mutants as well, exposed to radiation and FEV in the air,
If they win (the enclave) everything in the world bar them dies
col autum dident want that tho so he wasnt *totally* evil just wanted to control the purifier similar to BoS in F3
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steventirey Mar 16, 2023 @ 12:53pm 
Yeah, the Enclave takes it much further. No mutations at all. Only pure humans. Which means pretty much everyone that hasn't been sealed in a vault for the last 200 years would be in danger.

While there are some who disagree somewhat, basically anyone that isn't Enclave isn't human anymore, and needs cleansing.
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Xenon The Noble Mar 16, 2023 @ 2:17pm 
But if there was no Supermutants, ferals, mutant bugs, bears, lizards, raiders, ect, wouldn't the commonwealth return to normal with humans with uncorrupted DNA?
isn't it the mostly the same goal as SS and the BOS? Making the world a better place by killing all the right creatures?
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Liquid Inc Mar 16, 2023 @ 2:18pm 
The Enclave: "Everything on the surface must die"

Everything exposed to radiation has mutations in some way or another, and therefore in the eyes of the Enclave, they must die.
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Xenon The Noble Mar 16, 2023 @ 2:21pm 
Originally posted by Liquid Inc:
The Enclave: "Everything on the surface must die"

Everything exposed to radiation has mutations in some way or another, and therefore in the eyes of the Enclave, they must die.
And that's wrong ... why? Given that all the humans up there are going to die out anyway.
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Liquid Inc Mar 16, 2023 @ 2:24pm 
Even if you destroyed everyone on the surface, you still wouldn't be able to move back there to live. As soon as a radstorm came along, it would start affecting people again, along with any irradiated food/drink sources...

essentially, they just want to kill everything, and then themselves...
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Diakoptes Mar 16, 2023 @ 2:26pm 
Originally posted by Xenon The Noble:
But if there was no Supermutants, ferals, mutant bugs, bears, lizards, raiders, ect, wouldn't the commonwealth return to normal with humans with uncorrupted DNA?
isn't it the mostly the same goal as SS and the BOS? Making the world a better place by killing all the right creatures?
there would be *no* humans, the only ones left would be the enclave, who would die out due to inbreeding after a couple of generations
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Yellowbeard Mar 16, 2023 @ 2:51pm 
https://i.imgflip.com/6w5pw1.jpg

https://i.imgflip.com/6fbiwh.jpg
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Xenon The Noble Mar 16, 2023 @ 3:01pm 
Originally posted by Diakoptes:
Originally posted by Xenon The Noble:
But if there was no Supermutants, ferals, mutant bugs, bears, lizards, raiders, ect, wouldn't the commonwealth return to normal with humans with uncorrupted DNA?
isn't it the mostly the same goal as SS and the BOS? Making the world a better place by killing all the right creatures?
there would be *no* humans, the only ones left would be the enclave, who would die out due to inbreeding after a couple of generations
But the wiki says the Enclave has genetic testing technology, so they could prevent the negative effects of in-breeding.
Pretty much the same story as the Institute, really.
And speaking of in-breeding, what about the settlers? Not that many of them, more than the Enclave and Institute, I'll agree, but the bad genes in the settler gene pool are at a much higher rate due to being exposed to radiation.
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=EGC= kansasterry Mar 16, 2023 @ 3:32pm 
1. Every person exposed to radiation will have some form of mutation.
2. The enclave has zero tolerance for any mutations existing unless its their own personal weapon.
3. If we followed their "presidents" instructions in F3 the wasteland becomes an empty desolate place devoid of life.
4. In the first fallouts we see the enclave routinely executing people without any valid reason.

In fact in the opening of one of the first two it shows the enclave shooting the vault occupants the second they opened the door for them. around time index 5:30

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nev11pRKDrs
Last edited by =EGC= kansasterry; Mar 16, 2023 @ 3:37pm
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Sea Prince Gillywix Mar 16, 2023 @ 3:39pm 
The Enclave is basically what you get if you combine all the bad traits of The Institute and BOS then throw in some Nazism just for good measure. Neither the Institute nor Bos wanted to kill off the entire wasteland. These fanatics most definitely did.
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Xenon The Noble Mar 16, 2023 @ 4:06pm 
I thought the Enclave just wanted to kill every creature mutated: Supermutants, insects, crabs, trappers, raiders, settlers, radstags, mole rats, Elder Maxson, etc.
The goal to be to make way for their eventual return to the surface.
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Senor Cinco Mar 16, 2023 @ 4:20pm 
There should be a legitimate argument for and against every faction in the game world. The writing of such, so that every one can easily RP a character into that faction or swear them an enemy of mankind.
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AbsynthMinded Mar 16, 2023 @ 4:49pm 
Originally posted by Xenon The Noble:
Sole survivor goes around shooting mutant bugs, supermutants, feral ghouls, mutant bears, mutant dogs, mutant almost everything. He's a good guy.
Okay. The Enclave, as I understand it, are totally wicked because they want to destroy all mutants with chemical or biological warfare. They're the most wicked faction in "the Lore".

Okay, explain to me like I'm and idiot (because it wouldn't matter, you're going to talk to me like I'm an idiot no matter what I do) why SS is the hero and the Enclave is wicked.

Wouldn't the Commonwealth be better off if there were no mutants at all?

Why are we Discussing Enclave in FO4, they do not exist here, may be completely eradicated unless resurrected in FO5. The only problem with the Enclave is Leadership and Policy. Their mandate, resources and capabilities were mostly on solid Ethical and Moral grounds, till they were left with AI Leadership that didn't have a soul. Imagine a ChatGPT who was fed all the historical Data on the 'the greatest U.S. presidents'.. Biden, Obama, Clinton, Reagan, Lincoln, Washington, Trump.. ? Imagine what kind of Lunatic Eden would have been then..
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=EGC= kansasterry Mar 16, 2023 @ 6:22pm 
Originally posted by AbsynthMinded:
Why are we Discussing Enclave in FO4, they do not exist here, may be completely eradicated unless resurrected in FO5. The only problem with the Enclave is Leadership and Policy. Their mandate, resources and capabilities were mostly on solid Ethical and Moral grounds, till they were left with AI Leadership that didn't have a soul. Imagine a ChatGPT who was fed all the historical Data on the 'the greatest U.S. presidents'.. Biden, Obama, Clinton, Reagan, Lincoln, Washington, Trump.. ? Imagine what kind of Lunatic Eden would have been then..

True they do not actually appear however the type of armor they use along with a few notes/terminal entries about them do appear in Fallout 4 (without a mod adding the enclave)

As for Eden for all we know they did feed him all the information about all the past presidents they had in the fictional fallout universe.

The fact is the government before the war was no better than the enclave they allowed human experimentation using prisoners or even their own citizens.

if we actually pay attention to the terminals in the school, the holotape from the poor woman used as the control subject for the radaway experiment by deleberately exposing her to radiation already knowing what happens without treatment and their approval of the majority of the vault-tec experiments with the possible exception of the one that was going to use government officials {unless it was a group the ones in charge wanted rid of).

Lets face it in the post apocalypse of the fallout universe there is no faction we can call pure good or pure evil as each faction will do evil things "for the greater good" they just disagree what "the greater good" means.

to the enclave it is restoring the past government

to the institute it is completing their plans for redefining mankind

to the RR it is saving synths and destroying the institute.

to the BOS it is following their codex to keep tech away those they think will abuse it and cause another war

to the MM its protecting settlers but only if we do all the work. (as if no one else could plant crops harvest water or put up turrets themselves)
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