Fallout 4 Father Needed Fev?

[pjedilord]

So we know Father needed cure but does not exist,so why did he not use Fev
to be super mutant or be transmuted or become ghoul to be better and preventing
him to die? Would of worked? he would of been like Vigil or Han follower?

[steventirey]

FEV turning someone into a supermutant is not guaranteed. It could also have made him into a deformed monstrosity, assuming it didn't outright kill him. And no one knows why some people become ghouls. It isn't something you can just choose to do.

And for some reason, most people don't want to be a hideous monster. A giant green monster with diminished mental capability or a skinless monster that could end up going feral at any time is not something most people enjoy.

[Twelvefield]

Becoming a ghoul or a supermutant is Fallout's version of Junji Ito body horror. It seems tame because the characters are more like caricatures, but we only spend a brief time with these creatures, whereas they live for hundreds of years in deformity. At least ghouls can wear human clothes (so yes, Armani!) , but they'll always have an itch that cannot be scratched.

I've seen enough palliative care to not want to live that way, but everyone makes their own path. Father isn't particularly good at making choices, or rather, he can stand to make choices but are they good ones?

[Zekiran]

I would say that it would be the WORST thing if he had, as has been often asserted, brain cancer or something similar. Something that would possibly trigger even worse cancerous growths? No thanks.

[DouglasGrave]

The super mutant transformation is an incredible risk, and even if it works is likely to result in degrading into a witless brute.

Originally posted by steventirey:

And no one knows why some people become ghouls. It isn't something you can just choose to do.

We do have one known case of someone intentionally and successfully creating a ghoul, as that's part of the story of Eddie Winter, who was the result of a deliberate pre-war effort, and Hancock's case indicates there may have been more than just that.

But there's no indication that the Institute has any of that deeper understanding of how ghouls are made, and without it, they'd just be blindly experimenting, assuming Father was even okay with that method. This is the same man who shut down the cybernetics program because, in his own words: "The Institute is about preserving humanity, not some bizarre amalgamation of biology and technology."

[pjedilord]

Originally posted by steventirey:

FEV turning someone into a supermutant is not guaranteed. It could also have made him into a deformed monstrosity, assuming it didn't outright kill him. And no one knows why some people become ghouls. It isn't something you can just choose to do.

And for some reason, most people don't want to be a hideous monster. A giant green monster with diminished mental capability or a skinless monster that could end up going feral at any time is not something most people enjoy.

Originally posted by Twelvefield:

Becoming a ghoul or a supermutant is Fallout's version of Junji Ito body horror. It seems tame because the characters are more like caricatures, but we only spend a brief time with these creatures, whereas they live for hundreds of years in deformity. At least ghouls can wear human clothes (so yes, Armani!) , but they'll always have an itch that cannot be scratched.

I've seen enough palliative care to not want to live that way, but everyone makes their own path. Father isn't particularly good at making choices, or rather, he can stand to make choices but are they good ones?

Originally posted by Zekiran:

I would say that it would be the WORST thing if he had, as has been often asserted, brain cancer or something similar. Something that would possibly trigger even worse cancerous growths? No thanks.

Originally posted by Pookie101:

Let's see:
Father takes FEV.
- High chance of straight out dying horrifically with uncontrolled mutation
- Success and turns into a supermutant that seems like 99% certain to turn you into one of the idiot versions after a few weeks

Father attempts to turn into a ghoul.
- Very high chance of straight out dying of radiation exposure
- high chance of turning into a feral

Originally posted by DouglasGrave:

The super mutant transformation is an incredible risk, and even if it works is likely to result in degrading into a witless brute.

Originally posted by steventirey:

And no one knows why some people become ghouls. It isn't something you can just choose to do.

We do have one known case of someone intentionally and successfully creating a ghoul, as that's part of the story of Eddie Winter, who was the result of a deliberate pre-war effort, and Hancock's case indicates there may have been more than just that.

But there's no indication that the Institute has any of that deeper understanding of how ghouls are made, and without it, they'd just be blindly experimenting, assuming Father was even okay with that method. This is the same man who shut down the cybernetics program because, in his own words: "The Institute is about preserving humanity, not some bizarre amalgamation of biology and technology."

How did they make Fev?He could of used Fev,change to human with Virgil serum?
Should of only been option to save Father if we stay with Institute?

[steventirey]

Originally posted by pjedilord:

How did they make Fev?He could of used Fev,change to human with Virgil serum?
Should of only been option to save Father if we stay with Institute?

Again, there is no guaranteed that FEV will change you into a mutant. And Virgils serum further mutated him (it did not revert the changes, it just mutated him further to look like a human again.) And there was no guarantee that would have worked either. It could have just killed him.

If Father has received chemotherapy (in other words, radiation treatments). FEV was even less likely to work. FEV does not interact well with radiation, which is why the Institute needed Shaun in the first place. As a pre-war infant that was frozen, he had been exposed to far less radiation that anyone else.

[DouglasGrave]

Originally posted by steventirey:

If Father has received chemotherapy (in other words, radiation treatments).

Chemotherapy is usually about using chemical toxins, not radiation. Father might have received radiation therapy in addition to chemotherapy, but we're not told the details.

But chemotherapy toxins can also cause genetic damage (because that can be effective against rapid-dividing cancer cells), so you still wouldn't want to mix it with FEV.

[Xenon The Noble]

In a world as gone wrong and wicked as in Fallout 4, why question why some would accept death rather than face the choice between the lessor of two evils?

[DouglasGrave]

Originally posted by Xenon The Noble:

In a world as gone wrong and wicked as in Fallout 4, why question why some would accept death rather than face the choice between the lessor of two evils?

I mean, personally I'd take even a 1% chance at successful survival over a 0% chance, but Father seems more focused on doing what he can before he dies than on taking every possible step towards avoiding death.

[pjedilord]

Originally posted by steventirey:

Originally posted by pjedilord:

How did they make Fev?He could of used Fev,change to human with Virgil serum?
Should of only been option to save Father if we stay with Institute?

Again, there is no guaranteed that FEV will change you into a mutant. And Virgils serum further mutated him (it did not revert the changes, it just mutated him further to look like a human again.) And there was no guarantee that would have worked either. It could have just killed him.

If Father has received chemotherapy (in other words, radiation treatments). FEV was even less likely to work. FEV does not interact well with radiation, which is why the Institute needed Shaun in the first place. As a pre-war infant that was frozen, he had been exposed to far less radiation that anyone else.

Originally posted by DouglasGrave:

Originally posted by steventirey:

If Father has received chemotherapy (in other words, radiation treatments).

Chemotherapy is usually about using chemical toxins, not radiation. Father might have received radiation therapy in addition to chemotherapy, but we're not told the details.

But chemotherapy toxins can also cause genetic damage (because that can be effective against rapid-dividing cancer cells), so you still wouldn't want to mix it with FEV.

Why did Father have to die now insted of 10 years?Never should of had so?

[Zekiran]

Because the plot of the game required him to be dead.

[Cyanmurder]

Father did mention that all his top scientist couldnt find a cure, and the Institution is the best place when it comes to medicine. Father did try to find a cure.

[Xenon The Noble]

Because all the bad things Father did died with him. Institute's all better now! SS is in charge!
Meh. SS is a glorified gopher... go for mutant samples, go for tech, go for (okay, didn't like Ayo so I didn't do his quests and i don't remember what they were)

[DouglasGrave]

Originally posted by pjedilord:

Why did Father have to die now insted of 10 years?Never should of had so?

That depends on how quickly you progress, or whether you do at all, since like many other Bethesda games, his death happens at the speed of plot. Hold off visiting the Institute for 10 in-game years, and he'll stay alive for 10 years.