Why is a Brotherhood Scribe at Mass Bay Medical Centre?

[DouglasGrave]

Even before the Prydwen arrives there's a dead Brotherhood scribe locked in a cage inside the upper floors (in the section with the power armour). But everyone from the last two recon squads is seemingly accounted for while the very first squad of the three was (apparently) seven years ago.

So what is that scribe doing there?

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=2936344899
https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=2936344855
https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=2936344884

EDIT: Added pictures showing the area (with the cages just visible at the back of the top floor in the first one).

[Docsprock]

Oh great, now I have to load up the game and go find it.

[Xenon The Noble]

Hey, the Scribe isn't doing anything wrong. He's a good brotherhood scribe.

[Stardustfire]

he does the same thing as many other strange anormalties: breaking the gamestory, timeline and cannon even more...

[eMYNOCK]

why is there also a dead brotherhood guy on top of boston public library?
how did he get there?

are those two unaccounted for Brotherhhod soldiers from another chapter?

[Xenon The Noble]

Weren't there three failed BOS recon missions? Danse (can be saved by SS), Brandis (can be rescued by SS), and one un-named one before that? The US military teaches top priority is the mission, then your men. Brandis got his entire team killed so he could make it to a hidie-hole bunker. I don't think it ruins the story as much as it explains it; the BOS is not a "leave no Marine behind" outfit. They tell their "brothers" to cover their donkeys while they cut and run for a safe place.
I mean, even Elder Maxson; tells them that many of them will die and he's willing to make that sacrifice while he hides on the Prydwen.

[Bored Peon]

Originally posted by Xenon The Noble:

Brandis got his entire team killed so he could make it to a hidie-hole bunker.

That is fan fiction lore and not even close to the actual lore.

Originally posted by Paladin Brandis:

https://fallout.fandom.com/wiki/Battlefield_holotape
Paladin Brandis: ...ambushed on the road. We're outnumbered five to one! Varham, report!

Knight Varham: Core's down to 5%!

Paladin Brandis: We'll have to scuttle the armor. We can't let them have it-

Knight Astlin: Varham!

Paladin Brandis: Dammit! Astlin, set the self-destructs! Faris, fall back! We'll head for the old military base, then try to make it to our holdout. The code will be our callsign. All right, move! Move! Move!

Originally posted by Knight Astlin:

https://fallout.fandom.com/wiki/Knight_Astlin%27s_holotape
Knight Astlin: Knight Tara Astlin. Brotherhood of Steel Recon Team 429-Alpha. Serial number 3431. It's been three hours since I set my distress pulser. There's been no word from the Paladin or Faris. Their objective was a satellite array on the coast. They may be out of range. My orders were to hold this position at all costs. The entire site has been overrun. The door won't last much longer. Paladin Brandis, sir. It's been an honor, sir.

Originally posted by Scribe Faris:

https://fallout.fandom.com/wiki/Scribe_Faris%27_holotape
Scribe Faris: It's been... two hours since the Paladin left. My leg... I can't stanch the bleeding. Bullet must've hit an artery. Brandis... if you get this... I hope you make it back to Astlin in time. There was nothing you could do for me. Get to the bunker up north. You'll survive. That's all that.. all that matters...

Originally posted by Paladin Brandis:

https://fallout.fandom.com/wiki/Paladin_Brandis%27_holotape
Our mission has failed. Six hours after insertion, my company was ambushed. We lost five knights and exhausted our power armor reserves. We scuttled the armor to prevent looting, then retreated under fire, abandoning our supplies. I was separated from the two remaining members of my team within a week. Both are missing. Status unknown. I had hoped to rendezvous with them at our holdout bunker and seek a means of escape from the Commonwealth.

That means 5 knights, a scribe, and Paladin Brandis. A total of 7 BOS being outnumber 5 to 1 odds, which means the attacking force was over 30 attackers. They split up to rendezvous back at the bunker you meet Paladin Brandis at.

Originally posted by Xenon The Noble:

the BOS is not a "leave no Marine behind" outfit.

Paladin Brandis went back for Knight Astlin as shown in Scribe Faris's holotape so just more fan fiction rather than actual lore.

[eMYNOCK]

Originally posted by Pookie101:

Originally posted by eMYNOCK:

why is there also a dead brotherhood guy on top of boston public library?
how did he get there?

are those two unaccounted for Brotherhhod soldiers from another chapter?

On top of the library? I know what I will be jet packing up to check out later.

6,000+ hours in the game and there are still little discoveries for me :D

hope you haven't accidentially tipped into that cell and let the body cleanup do its job.. but he should be present right at start.

also, to just check it you can simple tlc up there...
means, visiting the corps isn't even worth the effort.

[DouglasGrave]

Originally posted by eMYNOCK:

why is there also a dead brotherhood guy on top of boston public library?
how did he get there?

are those two unaccounted for Brotherhhod soldiers from another chapter?

I'm not sure I'd even run across that one before! And by the look of things, he's there right from the start as well, so also pre-Prydwen.

Originally posted by Xenon The Noble:

Hey, the Scribe isn't doing anything wrong. He's a good brotherhood scribe.

Hmm, the Scribe (wandering merchant) describes himself as something like a separatist who went wandering after becoming disillusioned with Arthur Maxson (preferring Lyons' methods).

That could be a possibility for the others; separatists who rejected Arthur's fusion and came to the Commonwealth looking to continue the cause in their own ways. In the case of the Boston Public Library roof, he could have been working with Curator Givens (the dead guy who was in charge of things inside the library).

[eMYNOCK]

"the wandering scribe" literally traveled by foot and/or caravan to the commonwealth...

as for the two unidentified... the easiest explanation and the most likely is that they originally belonged to Brandis... just count the destroyed PAs in the malden house and do a head count.

i don't like the following explanation my self but i assume that those were supposed to play their parts in finding brandis at an earier development stage but were ultimately cut from the quest...

[Bored Peon]

Originally posted by eMYNOCK:

"the wandering scribe" literally traveled by foot and/or caravan to the commonwealth...

Why not?
MacCready and Doctor Li are from Capital Wasteland.
During MacCready's final quest you talk to Daisy who has caravans that travel to and from Capital Wasteland.

Then you have the three BOS expeditions, which their way of travel is known, could have been on foot or by vertibird.

...and hell Kellogg was from San Francisco.

[eMYNOCK]

call me confused right now... but are you agreeing with my assumption by questioning it?

[steventirey]

Originally posted by Bored Peon:

Then you have the three BOS expeditions, which their way of travel is known, could have been on foot or by vertibird.

Danse's team likely came in on foot. The terminal does say it took them months to arrive. A vertibird wouldn't have taken that long. On top of that, no vertibird is ever mentioned or seen. And if it had been shot down, surely there would have been a record of it.

[DouglasGrave]

Originally posted by eMYNOCK:

"the wandering scribe" literally traveled by foot and/or caravan to the commonwealth...

as for the two unidentified... the easiest explanation and the most likely is that they originally belonged to Brandis... just count the destroyed PAs in the malden house and do a head count.

i don't like the following explanation my self but i assume that those were supposed to play their parts in finding brandis at an earier development stage but were ultimately cut from the quest...

There are five destroyed power armour frames in the ambush location near Malden, which matches the five knights Brandis mentions losing there in his holotape, and he says he was separated from the remaining two members of his team within a week (which we find as part of "The Lost Patrol"). That rules out the two extras from being part of Brandis' squad.

Originally posted by Paladin Brandis' holotape:

Brotherhood of Steel Recon Team 429-Alpha, final report.

Our mission has failed. Six hours after insertion, my company was ambushed. We lost five knights and exhausted our power armor reserves. We scuttled the armor to prevent looting, then retreated under fire, abandoning our supplies. I was separated from the two remaining members of my team within a week. Both are missing. Status unknown. I had hoped to rendezvous with them at our holdout bunker and seek a means of escape from the Commonwealth.

But no one has come. No one has come.

https://fallout.fandom.com/wiki/Paladin_Brandis%27_holotape

[Bored Peon]

Originally posted by steventirey:

Originally posted by Bored Peon:

Then you have the three BOS expeditions, which their way of travel is known, could have been on foot or by vertibird.

Danse's team likely came in on foot. The terminal does say it took them months to arrive. A vertibird wouldn't have taken that long. On top of that, no vertibird is ever mentioned or seen. And if it had been shot down, surely there would have been a record of it.

Yeah, I had questioned the vertibird because flying to Far Harbor and back was about the extent of their range without refueling. The NPC makes a comment on that I believe.

With Brandis you figure 6 sets of power armor in a vertibird...um ya.

Danse was the only one in power armor on his team, so not so much of a weight issue.

The original recon team has no info on the composition.

Originally posted by eMYNOCK:

call me confused right now... but are you agreeing with my assumption by questioning it?

You just seemed like you did not think it was possible to make the trip on foot, most likely due to the dangers of monsters, raiders, etc. Which I understand that would be a very dangerous trip with low chances of success. However there was references saying it was possible.

[Stardustfire]

Dance stated that the first Expedition was a big Sucess (and my definition of Sucess is comeing back alive and Kicking) , so the only "losses" are Team Brandis and Team Dance as Expeditions #2 and #3