Is There a Workshop STORAGE Limit?

[srpadget]

Playing FO4 GOTY Edition, unmodded (other than the various DLCs in that package of course), at default difficulty. Using Sanctuary Hills as a "home base", hauling all my salvage there and dumping it into the Workshop to be stored until such time as I need it. And I am a HUGE packrat--I tend to strip each location completely bare as I clear it, making multiple fast-travel trips to Sanctuary as needed to get all of it.

And I am starting to think that's a mistake. Because stuff keeps vanishing from the workshop.

What I *notice*, of course, are the rare things--I'll know full well that I've scavenged at least a couple dozen Adhesive (for instance) since the last time I modded weapon/armor or built a settlement object, but when I go check, I only have the 2 which I just picked up on my most recent trip.

So, is there a limit to what can be stored in a workshop? And if so, what's the best way to ensure that I don't end up clobbering my stored Adhesive or Ballistic Fiber because I've collected, I dunno, too many Ashtrays or something?

(...maybe I should have paid more attention to my companions' incessant complaining about my obsessive junk-collecting...?)

[The Inept European]

There is an upper limit on the counter for each item and you can roll it, but it is like 64K or so. Per item.

If you are not around this limit then settlement attacks are the most likely explanation for missing items. NPCs only ever steal weapons and/or ammo. They won't even steal grenades.

[Archer801]

Originally posted by The Inept European:

There is an upper limit on the counter for each item and you can roll it, but it is like 64K or so. Per item.

If you are not around this limit then settlement attacks are the most likely explanation for missing items. NPCs only ever steal weapons and/or ammo. They won't even steal grenades.

This is the Technical limit, but not the true limit.
Once you start to get to about 1,000 or so items in one container, weird things start happening. You may even experience where you cant open a container anymore without the game crashing. Ive had Kellogg's weapon vanish on me.. along with a few other items.

I would recommend one mod, to keep your inventory from over inflating.

https://www.nexusmods.com/fallout4/mods/17167

It quickly breaks down all your junk into base components.
That helps a LOT with decluttering the workshop.

I know all too well about hoarding... but let me tell you something.
You run the risk of a corrupted save file if you hoard too many items.
Sell to vendors to keep your save file from bloating to the point of being un-loadable

The other thing I would do, if I were you, is make a weapon container, and a armor container, and a aid menu container.... Just to keep it on the safe side.

a few notes from someone with over 6,000 hours -
Dont leave you're power armor with a fusion core in it. If a settlement is attacked, and there is power armor with a FC inside of it. The settlers may enter the armor, and there is no options in the vanilla game to force them out of it.

Do not install Alternative Start...
I know many people love that mod, but they are fools. It breaks way too many quests and will corrupt your save file, one day, or another.

Instead, make a vanilla run, make a save at Vault 111 just before you leave. Keep that save file...

If you want an Alt-Start. Load that save.. Toggle Map Markers on with Console Commands.

TMM 1

Pick a spot to start

Once there

TMM 0

This will disable all Map Markers. You have a fresh game from a new starting location, and all quests are as they should be...

[Langkard]

I use something similar to what Archer801 posted. It's a mod called SKK Junk Scrapper.
https://www.nexusmods.com/fallout4/mods/26811

It comes in the form of a holotape for your Pip Boy. When you select the SKKSCrapper in the Misc tab in your Pip Boy, it does the holotap load animation and then you can choose to scrap what's in your inventory or, if you're close to a workbench, the items in the workbench.

It has a default setting to avoid scrapping items needed for quests (like military circuit boards) or for survival (bottles for water). You can turn the default setting off if you want to scrap those items.

You can also use it to consolidate partial fusion cores into full ones.

It makes keeping track of the inventory in your workbenches much easier.

[The Inept European]

Scrapping everything is going to increase the counts of objects in the workspace, not decrease them.

So that does not make any sense as a solution to this issue.

And I have never had this problem. You have to try really really hard to get above 64K items. So like most things I suspect mods are the culprit.

[Iron Knights]

Raiders that attack and win, get the top pick of your loot.
If you noticed, the first components of the "A" variety go first.

[srpadget]

Originally posted by The Inept European:

Scrapping everything is going to increase the counts of objects in the workspace, not decrease them.

So that does not make any sense as a solution to this issue.

And I have never had this problem. You have to try really really hard to get above 64K items. So like most things I suspect mods are the culprit.

This would increase the total number of each remaining type of item in the inventory, yes. But I don't think that's my problem (I doubt I've got more than a couple hundred of any one type of item other than the ammo I keep with me.).

But it would vastly reduce the number of KINDS of things that the workshop was tracking. So that makes sense to me.

From a computing perspective, I don't for a minute believe that I've exceeded MAX_INT of anything. But I may well have broken Max_Records or Max_Array_Size, if that's only a thousand or so.

[srpadget]

Originally posted by Langkard:

SKK Junk Scrapper. (...snip...) It has a default setting to avoid scrapping items needed (...snip...) for survival (bottles for water).

Wait, WHAAAT? Are you saying it's possible to fill those empty beer/bourbon/milk bottles with WATER? That I don't have to treat scavenged cartons of Dirty Water like sacred treasure? I had NO IDEA! How does one do that?

Yeah, a bit off the nominal topic, but it would totally change my approach to so many things! It could be bigger than the day I discovered that excess water supply in a settlement yields Clean Water...

[srpadget]

Originally posted by Iron Knights:

Raiders that attack and win, get the top pick of your loot.
If you noticed, the first components of the "A" variety go first.

Pretty sure that's not the case here. Granted, the "Settlement is under attack" notice doesn't stay on-screen for long, and there's no way (that I know of) to proactively check if a settlement is under attack (why is that NOT on the Workshops tab on the Pip-Boy??), so I MIGHT have totally missed an attack.

But i am *aware* of only 2 times that one of my settlements got attacked and I didn't show up to help defeat them. Once the settlers won, once the raiders won--but neither of those attacks was against Sanctuary Hills. To the best of my knowledge, I've shown up in person for every attack against Sanctuary, and we've run them off every time. Certainly there's no way that could be happening as frequently as I've seen my Wonderglue supply vanish, or been mysteriously out of Cloth when I needed to craft more beds, or or or...

[Azure Fang]

Originally posted by srpadget:

Originally posted by Iron Knights:

Raiders that attack and win, get the top pick of your loot.
If you noticed, the first components of the "A" variety go first.

Pretty sure that's not the case here. Granted, the "Settlement is under attack" notice doesn't stay on-screen for long, and there's no way (that I know of) to proactively check if a settlement is under attack (why is that NOT on the Workshops tab on the Pip-Boy??), so I MIGHT have totally missed an attack.

But i am *aware* of only 2 times that one of my settlements got attacked and I didn't show up to help defeat them. Once the settlers won, once the raiders won--but neither of those attacks was against Sanctuary Hills. To the best of my knowledge, I've shown up in person for every attack against Sanctuary, and we've run them off every time. Certainly there's no way that could be happening as frequently as I've seen my Wonderglue supply vanish, or been mysteriously out of Cloth when I needed to craft more beds, or or or...

There is a way to check if a settlement is under attack: It shows up at the top of your Misc. Quests. Also, get this and you'll never miss an attack notification: https://www.nexusmods.com/fallout4/mods/4106

[steventirey]

Originally posted by srpadget:

Originally posted by Langkard:

SKK Junk Scrapper. (...snip...) It has a default setting to avoid scrapping items needed (...snip...) for survival (bottles for water).

Wait, WHAAAT? Are you saying it's possible to fill those empty beer/bourbon/milk bottles with WATER? That I don't have to treat scavenged cartons of Dirty Water like sacred treasure? I had NO IDEA! How does one do that?

You turn on survival mode, and take some empty bottles to those manually operated pumps you can build in settlements. I'm not sure if the powered ones do it as well. If you want dirty water, go to any river or pond and you can fill the bottles there.

There is no way to fill a bottle if you aren't in survival mode, however. With the exception of using mods, of course.

[Iron Knights]

Attacks show on the pip-boy map, but only if they are prior to your arrival or active now. If the fight ended, they disappear.

[Iron Knights]

The other reason maybe supply lines. Some other settlement needed them, took from Sanctuary.

[The Inept European]

Yes that is the most likely explanation. Assuming it wasn't just your own crafting locally. Reduced Adhesive in particular points to crafting, whether local or remote.

[The Inept European]

@steventirey yes it's only manual pumps and (clean) water fountains that fill empty bottles with purified water.

The powered pumps and purifiers apparently lack any kind of drain tap on the side or anything like that. ^_^