Removing my nexusmods account made me realize something

[mw00]

Just how reliant modding community is on that garbage website. You can't download any mods without having an account there, and all major mods are over there with no backup anywhere else. Even major tools like MO2 are exclusively on Nexusmods as well. Between that and having to waste 10 seconds to wait as a free user, I'm really glad that Bethesda is setting up a competition for them. Like what happens if nexusmods gets shut down one day? 99% of mods will be gone forever.
You know what would be great though? If someone made a website that automatically re-uploaded and backed up all nexusmods content. Wabbajack was a step in the right direction.

[wesnef]

Originally posted by error2k:

Like what happens if nexusmods gets shut down one day?

I download all my mods manually. I've got an archive of interesting mods going all the way back to Morrowind. /shrug

99% of mods will be gone forever.

I'm pretty sure modders would rise to the occasion - between authors who would still have their files, and users who have saved copies of everything, they'd build new sites. (heck, modding has been spreading out more over the last 5+ years, due to disagreements with Nexus' management and other developments, on Patreon, Google drives, Discord, and various other places.)

Just how reliant modding community is on that garbage website

I'm curious, though - what's "garbage" about it? Been using it practically since it existed.

I'm really glad that Bethesda is setting up a competition for them

And what is this referring to?

[mw00]

Originally posted by wesnef:

Originally posted by error2k:

Like what happens if nexusmods gets shut down one day?

I download all my mods manually. I've got an archive of interesting mods going all the way back to Morrowind. /shrug

Just how reliant modding community is on that garbage website

I'm curious, though - what's "garbage" about it? Been using it practically since it existed.

I'm really glad that Bethesda is setting up a competition for them

And what is this referring to?

Wait times between downloads (so they can show you an ad for their premium account), so big mod packs take you half a day to assemble, 1mb download limit
Bethesda's in game mod downloader tool is surprisingly good and has a lot of exclusive mods, and it even has the major ones that are also on nexus (sim settlements 2 etc), it also has cross over with consoles, and bigger community = more mods. They just need to add more functions to this feature for the next TES and Fallout and it'll be better just for the fact that you don't have to wait like 10 seconds to download some mod so nexusmods can shill you their worthless "premium account". Steam workshop imo is still the best mod site, but it's obviously a feature for select Steam games. Oh and mod.io has been making major steps recently, and it's okay. Nexusmods' days will be over soon hopefully, but IMO someone should automate mod archival process for all the mods over on nexusmods. One individual backing up all the mods he downloads on his disk drive isn't enough.

[Arthursa]

I do agree that Nexus, while convenient especially for mod makers, has a bit too much influence on the modding scene in general. It wasn't so bad when they remained a neutral entity but the past few years they've really been flexing on both users and creators, pushing things like modpacks despite creators hating such ideas.

More alternatives to Nexus definitely need to not only happen, but talked about more openly in general.

[mw00]

Originally posted by Deklend:

I do agree that Nexus, while convenient especially for mod makers, has a bit too much influence on the modding scene in general. It wasn't so bad when they remained a neutral entity but the past few years they've really been flexing on both users and creators, pushing things like modpacks despite creators hating such ideas.

More alternatives to Nexus definitely need to not only happen, but talked about more openly in general.

Exactly. They can get away with anything at this point since they hold a monopoly. Those download wait times that they added in like 2018 were beginning of the end. Suddenly assembling a big modpack went from being 1 hour task to like 5 hours one. Unless you buy their overpriced premium account of course lol. Bethesda needs to be praised for trying to launch their alternative. I've also heard that Skyrim might be getting some kind of "mod marketplace" thing soon. Also I wish CD Projekt Red should launch their own mod website. Witcher 3 and Cyberpunk 2077 get enough mods to warrant that. They could also partner with Bethesda for that. That would be great.

[Arthursa]

Originally posted by error2k:

Originally posted by Deklend:

I do agree that Nexus, while convenient especially for mod makers, has a bit too much influence on the modding scene in general. It wasn't so bad when they remained a neutral entity but the past few years they've really been flexing on both users and creators, pushing things like modpacks despite creators hating such ideas.

More alternatives to Nexus definitely need to not only happen, but talked about more openly in general.

Exactly. They can get away with anything at this point since they have hold a monopoly. Those download wait times that they added in like 2018 were beginning of the end. Suddenly assembling a big modpack went from 1 hour task to like 5 hours one. Unless you buy their overpriced premium account of course lol. Bethesda needs to be praised for trying to launch their alternative. I've also heard that Skyrim might be getting some kind of "mod marketplace" thing soon.

Calling it a marketplace has me a bit worried though, if we're being honest. A better in-game mod browser and downloader is definitely needed as the current one Bethesda utilizes is janky...but if it's just another attempt at pushing the paid mods idea again it's already doomed for failure.

[Myr]

When one falls another takes over, the idea that suddenly mods will no longer exist when a website goes down is quite a leap. Just give it a few weeks or months and there will be another place all the modders decided to group up at and get your stuff there. Worst part is just the transition phase but once that is done its done.

[mw00]

Originally posted by Deklend:

Originally posted by error2k:

Exactly. They can get away with anything at this point since they have hold a monopoly. Those download wait times that they added in like 2018 were beginning of the end. Suddenly assembling a big modpack went from 1 hour task to like 5 hours one. Unless you buy their overpriced premium account of course lol. Bethesda needs to be praised for trying to launch their alternative. I've also heard that Skyrim might be getting some kind of "mod marketplace" thing soon.

Calling it a marketplace has me a bit worried though, if we're being honest. A better in-game mod browser and downloader is definitely needed as the current one Bethesda utilizes is janky...but if it's just another attempt at pushing the paid mods idea again it's already doomed for failure.

I think paid mods could work if it was a carefully curated marketplace. But if its going to be free for all google play appstore kind of thing then it'll be 99% garbage, and anything good will be hidden among this swarm of low quality garbage. I would definitely pay for a big mod like Sim Settlements 2, but not so much for "pink retexture for hunting rifle".

[Liquid Inc]

Originally posted by error2k:

Wait times between downloads (so they can show you an ad for their premium account), so big mod packs take you half a day to assemble, 1mb download limit

i've never seen ads between downloads, except for the 5 second wait before you click "download", which AFAIK, is the same premium or not...
and it's 2mb download limit as well...

there's only a couple of ISP's that actually provide speeds faster than that where i live, so it's actually pretty good... some companies limit it to 100kb or less for non premium members.. be thankful it isn't *that*

Originally posted by error2k:

Bethesda's in game mod downloader tool is surprisingly good and has a lot of exclusive mods, and it even has the major ones that are also on nexus (sim settlements 2 etc), it also has cross over with consoles, and bigger community = more mods.

it's only got others because of the fiasco nexus pulled off putting that stupid collection rubbish in place for the people who can't be bothered. If it wasn't for *that*, those that pulled their mods, wouldn't have...

Originally posted by error2k:

They just need to add more functions to this feature for the next TES and Fallout and it'll be better just for the fact that you don't have to wait like 10 seconds to download some mod so nexusmods can shill you their worthless "premium account".

wow 10 seconds! such an epic amount of time!
it's the joke about the microwave. cuts cooking times down and yet people still complain about it entitled much?

want faster, pay for it. Nexus still have servers to rent and places to store all those mods to download.
Beth are doing it (currently) out of their own pocket, so they *will* pass that cost onto us in the future, either through putting a store front on their mods, more CC content, or higher game prices.
Be careful what you wish for.

[mw00]

Originally posted by Ragnarokia:

When one falls another takes over, the idea that suddenly mods will no longer exist when a website goes down is quite a leap. Just give it a few weeks or months and there will be another place all the modders decided to group up at and get your stuff there. Worst part is just the transition phase but once that is done its done.

Nexusmods holds many mods that were made by no longer active users though, who's going to reupload those manually when nexusmods suddenly goes down? At some point someone will have to automate the mod archival process.

[Angry Nord-Grunge Syndicate]

Yeah because copying mod creators content without their permission and then posting it on your site and cashing in on ad money is totally step in the right direction. /s

[mw00]

Originally posted by Liquid Inc:

wow 10 seconds! such an epic amount of time!
it's the joke about the microwave. cuts cooking times down and yet people still complain about it entitled much?

with 100 mods you waste almost 10 minutes. And my mod lists sometimes reach 300 mods. Not to mention how annoying it is, you can't just rapid click download everything you want - and with the wait time you sometimes get confused and lose the pace, or get lost within swarms of opened tabs that all have a countdown on them. And for what exactly? So they can shill their premium account in addition to displaying ads? No thanks, I'll support alternatives instead. Sounds like you've got Stockholm syndrome.

[GunBoat]

If it's free, you really can't complain. Nexus mods has allowed me to extend many games that would have died much sooner and all I had to do was give them my email address (and probably receive some emails from their partners) and see some adverts. The people who run it have to try to make some money for their work while trying to keep server costs in check.

As far as monopoly, Steam is kinda the same in that the real and only other options to it are paid subscriptions.

Just some ideas.

[Angry Nord-Grunge Syndicate]

Originally posted by error2k:

Originally posted by Liquid Inc:

wow 10 seconds! such an epic amount of time!
it's the joke about the microwave. cuts cooking times down and yet people still complain about it entitled much?

with 100 mods you waste almost 10 minutes. And my mod lists sometimes reach 300 mods. Not to mention how annoying it is, you can't just rapid click download everything you want - and with the wait time you sometimes get confused and lose the pace, or get lost within swarms of opened tabs that all have a countdown on them. And for what exactly? So they can shill their premium account in addition to displaying ads? No thanks, I'll support alternatives instead. Sounds like you've got Stockholm syndrome.

You do realize that you don't have to download those mods every time you want to play?

[mw00]

Originally posted by Angry Nord-Grunge Syndicate:

Yeah because copying mod creators content without their permission and then posting it on your site and cashing in on ad money is totally step in the right direction. /s

it can be a crowdfunded website with no ads
also that's how archival always works. Archive org doesn't ask for permission. I don't ask for permission when I make a mod archive on my disk drive.
the alternative is losing all the mods forever once nexusmods goes down

[mw00]

Originally posted by Angry Nord-Grunge Syndicate:

Originally posted by error2k:

with 100 mods you waste almost 10 minutes. And my mod lists sometimes reach 300 mods. Not to mention how annoying it is, you can't just rapid click download everything you want - and with the wait time you sometimes get confused and lose the pace, or get lost within swarms of opened tabs that all have a countdown on them. And for what exactly? So they can shill their premium account in addition to displaying ads? No thanks, I'll support alternatives instead. Sounds like you've got Stockholm syndrome.

You do realize that you don't have to download those mods every time you want to play?

stockholm syndrome