Vertibirds no longer appear

[Ammikaameri]

I have not yet decided who to side with in the main quest, but I've asked the brotherhood for help in the building phase.

I just realized that in the last 50+ hours of playtime I have not seen a single vertibird. I fast travelled to several locations and no vertibirds spawn. In hangman's alley, there is a invincible vertibird pilot that you can shoot thru.

Anyone know why the vertibirds don't spawn? And is it related to the bugged npc in one of my settlements? I tried to disable and re-enable it, kill it with console (does not die) and other stuff but it does not disappear.

Or is there a quest phase in some quest that prevents vertibirds? I've had a lot of quests for +50 hours while building and exploring.

EDIT: The vertibirds that you can use for travel work fine. But in Brotherhood area there are no vertibirds at all either.

[Vain]

Too many crashed.

[Notluzn]

I think there is a mod that will beef up the birds and weapons in it.

[Shelt]

They randomly showed up recently in my game an started attacking me. So now I guess we're at war. I've killed a bunch of them and shot their ships down.

[Ammikaameri]

Yes, I had them for like 200 hours but now that the guy is bugged in my settlement, I have not seen a single vertibird fly (or crash) since then. I think it somehow has bugged my current save.

[Kuna]

125+ houras in, I heard one once. Never saw it tho. Never heard one again.

[ironhead1969]

Originally posted by Kuna:

125+ houras in, I heard one once. Never saw it tho. Never heard one again.

Verti birds won't show up until after you kill Kellogg and exit the building.

[Kuna]

Originally posted by ironhead1969:

Originally posted by Kuna:

125+ houras in, I heard one once. Never saw it tho. Never heard one again.

Verti birds won't show up until after you kill Kellogg and exit the building.

Thank you that would explain a lot. Tho I do have to wonder then what I heard that one time, sounded a lot like a helicopter of some sorts. It was when I was at wicked shipping one time. At the moment I still haven’t done the concord quest hehe. Having a ton of fun just building things and walking around ^_^

[ironhead1969]

Originally posted by Kuna:

Originally posted by ironhead1969:

Verti birds won't show up until after you kill Kellogg and exit the building.

Thank you that would explain a lot. Tho I do have to wonder then what I heard that one time, sounded a lot like a helicopter of some sorts. It was when I was at wicked shipping one time. At the moment I still haven’t done the concord quest hehe. Having a ton of fun just building things and walking around ^_^

Gunners have verti birds too.

[Ammikaameri]

Anyone have encountered the same issue? I'm pretty sure the invincible pilot is related to this, as if I load a save from like 100 hours before the guy is not there and the vertibirds spawn normally.

[ChaoticDNA]

Huh, actually, now you mention it, I've not seen them in a while either (they always used to be around - crashing everywhere), but I couldn't pinpoint when I stopped seeing them. It's not just the vertibirds though, I've not seen any wandering groups of BoS guys trooping round like they were. I want to say it was before I got Contraptions but I can't be sure, and there's been a bunch of patches & updates so I guess any one of them could have broken it too. That said, I used to see minutemen all over the place too and not long after the BoS showed up, I stopped seeing them around. I don't & haven't run any mods so it can't be that. I just kinda assumed that after a certain point the patterns changed, like how I assumed BoS troops slowed down the number of random wandering minutemen groups (though now IDK for sure that's what caused it).

So, your post set me thinking about it and I went to the Airport and there are no vertibirds there but the BoS guys are standing round. I then spent a couple of days at Nordhagen Beach and there was no sign of any vertibirds coming or going. It's very strange. It's my first playthrough and I'm level 92 or 93, I've just been taking my time messing about base building (that's most of the fun for me) and doing radiant minutemen quests, so I've not finished the game (I've not even gone to Goodneighbour to meet Nick at the memory den yet, lol). I'm not affiliated with the BoS but I'm also no their enemy. I've no invincible pilot yet (at least not that I've come across anyway lol) but then I can't go to Hangman's Alley without it CDT - it's been that way since really early in the game, so it's not related, I just accepted long ago that I was never gonna be able to go back there lol.

ETA: If I get the time tomorrow I'll see if I can find an earlier save when they were still around.

[Ammikaameri]

That sounds familiar. Just as a note, today I met a Brotherhood of Steel patrol in the far north of the map - first random patrol spawn in a long time. But still, no vertibird - in like 100 hours - they used to spawn every time I visited for example Lexington but they no longer spawn at all. I used to also see gunners vertibirds, but haven't seen those either anymore.

I've also spent most of my time with radiant quests and settlements - In my 270+hours I've joined all factions, but not chosen which one to continue with. I also saw another similar invincible pilot somewhere in Boston - he was on one of the rooftops. So I quess the pilots somehow bugged up once the vertibirds crashed and it now prevents new ones from spawning? :(

No mods here either (I may have already mentioned that..?).

[ChaoticDNA]

I tried an earlier save (over 100hours earlier) and didn't see any just wandering round. Then I remembered that I nearly always came across them by Scrap Palace taking on the supermutants there. So, I fast travelled to Westing Estate and walked down towards the Robotics Pioneer Park & sure enough as I got closer I heard the familiar sounds of the vertibird. With that in mind, I went back to my current save and went down there and yup, there they were. So, they're still in my game, it just seems they're ridiculously rare now, that they're only triggered at certain locations maybe? So perhaps Bethesda deliberately reduced the number of patrols or something they did accidentally did that, as I said, it seems to effect my roaming Minutement too.

Have you tried going down to Scrap Palace to see if you can trigger that random battle? I walked down as I figured it was more likely to trigger something rather than fast travelling in. Of course, I'm aware you also have your immortal pilot problem too, so we might be looking at 2 different things or maybe a crossover between the two.

[The_Only_One]

Thats because enclave commed back and tocked them back.
yay enclave

[Ammikaameri]

I checked the Scrap Palace and there I also had a vertibird. It had no pilot, but I don't know if they should have? But yeah, I think it is something with the random spawns and maybe the pilot I've got stuck in my settlement is somehow related to those, preventing further random spawns or something.

I also cannot go to war with the brotherhood, or all my settlers start attacking the pilot which is immortal.

[Notluzn]

Ever since I downloaded Far Harbor, I haven't seen them flying around. One is in Far Harbor that brought BOS but that's it. In the Commonwealth, I no longer see them flying around.