what's the ♥♥♥♥ing point of stealth builds?

[CapNKirkland]

i mean really? you get 1 shot off and they ALL take a B line for where you are.. half of them start shooting at you before you're even in "[Danger]" i'm even using chamelion armor that basically stealth boys me if i stand still.. they ALL have eyes like hawks..

scopes are wobbly and slow. your only chance of getting anywhere as stealth is if you spam vats with the increased accuracy perks for 95% headshots.. that's boring as ♥♥♥♥..

and if you try to skill the game.. you'd better get damn lucky and instakill with every shot..
i'm using Old faithful with sniper mods putting it at 108 damage, that does doubble damage to full health targets with 3.5x sneak shot multiplier..756 damage on the first shot but it doesn't kill nearly half as much as it should because getting a stealth shot after your first is like winning the lottery. it's inconsistant and makes no sense.

it feels to me like the only reason why that option is even in there is to extend your play hours by more than doubble and progress 3 times slower..

so, on the same subject.. can i respec my characters perks anywhere without using mods?

edit: more than half of you are missing the point. since making this thread i've switched up my weapons. went with a letiginate suppressed sniper rifle. using stealthboys, the whole shebang.. they're STILL putting me in the [danger] from 200m way when i'm literally invisible on the second shot..

this topic is about the stealth mechanic.. or lack of. since chamelion armor or stealth boys don't hide you for ♥♥♥♥ like they're supposed to

[The Infamous Cloaker]

If you do it right you get x14.5 times damage (Melee+Blitz+Mister Sandman+Ninja+Deacons perk) and if you have level 5 of stealth then you can do it over and over again. Instantly killing most thing

and the damage you'd have then would be around 4000+ on stealth attacks

[Styx]

So you would like the AI dumbed down to the point that a raider will see his friend killed not too far away from him and carry on like nothing happened just because your weapon is silenced?

[ULTRA]

But suppressors stop your guns from alerting enemies

If you go full stealth you can get that Railroad pistol and the AP regen perks eventually and just headshot people nonstop without them noticing you

[CapNKirkland]

Originally posted by Dazmania:

So you would like the AI dumbed down to the point that a raider will see his friend killed not too far away from him and carry on like nothing happened just because your weapon is silenced?

i would like them to realistally look around like headless chickens and take cover where ever they can find it.. not watch their friend die and instantly see the invisible dude a town over.

[CapNKirkland]

Originally posted by Savant:

But suppressors stop your guns from alerting enemies

If you go full stealth you can get that Railroad pistol and the AP regen perks eventually and just headshot people nonstop without them noticing you

i'm even using a suppressed 2shot sniper rifle. i'm in the [danger] after my second shot. and each situation i'm well over 50ft. (using objective markers as reference, they're always over 50)

[Styx]

Originally posted by SirLoin of Burger:

Originally posted by Dazmania:

So you would like the AI dumbed down to the point that a raider will see his friend killed not too far away from him and carry on like nothing happened just because your weapon is silenced?

i would like them to realistally look around like headless chickens and take cover where ever they can find it.. not watch their friend die and instantly see the invisible dude a town over.

They dont see you, they just shoot towards your general direction, thats what good AI should do.

[ChemicalBacon]

Originally posted by SirLoin of Burger:

i mean really? you get 1 shot off and they ALL take a B line for where you are.. half of them start shooting at you before you're even in "[Danger]" i'm even using chamelion armor that basically stealth boys me if i stand still.. they ALL have eyes like hawks..

scopes are wobbly and slow. your only chance of getting anywhere as stealth is if you spam vats with the increased accuracy perks for 95% headshots.. that's boring as ♥♥♥♥..

and if you try to skill the game.. you'd better get damn lucky and instakill with every shot..
i'm using Old faithful with sniper mods putting it at 108 damage, that does doubble damage to full health targets with 3.5x sneak shot multiplier..756 damage on the first shot but it doesn't kill nearly half as much as it should because getting a stealth shot after your first is like winning the lottery. it's inconsistant and makes no sense.

it feels to me like the only reason why that option is even in there is to extend your play hours by more than doubble and progress 3 times slower..

so, on the same subject.. can i respec my characters perks anywhere without using mods?

1) That means you are playing stealth wrong. The point is NOT to be detected. Fyi.

2) there's a perk for that. Holding your breath really helps too.

3) You aren't doing you're full damage, you never will because enemies have resistances to damage types.

4) I'm playing stealth and having a lot of fun doing it. No problem here.

[GunBoat]

Don't "♥♥♥♥ing" play stealth then if you don't know how to! Or you could always ask nice.

[Sentient_Toaster]

The magazines help a lot. Darkness helps a fair bit, too. Eventually it becomes really ridiculous -- people have "sneaked" and remained hidden *in full power armor in a normal-sized room with no cover and a raider staring in their direction*, for instance.

It's perfectly reasonable for them to send out a little probing fire in your approximate direction (there's often an obvious direction to look, based on the victim's position and on who wasn't shot...) and to try to flush you out.

[ChemicalBacon]

Originally posted by Sentient_Toaster:

The magazines help a lot. Darkness helps a fair bit, too. Eventually it becomes really ridiculous -- people have "sneaked" and remained hidden *in full power armor in a normal-sized room with no cover and a raider staring in their direction*, for instance.

It's perfectly reasonable for them to send out a little probing fire in your approximate direction (there's often an obvious direction to look, based on the victim's position and on who wasn't shot...) and to try to flush you out.

And avoid the bloody monkeys.

[Usernamehere]

Stealth was nerfed massively compared to how it is in Skyrim. Here's a list of things you can do to become better at stealth:
1. Collect all the U.S. Covert Operations Manuals. They'll all give you a stealth bonus.
2. Invest in Agility. If your Agility is low, that might be the problem.
3. Invest in Agility's Sneak perk. This perk will increase your ability to sneak, as the name suggests.

I had this same problem but once I got more levels, stealth works fine for me, almost like it was in Skyrim.

[Morgian]

Moving a bit after shooting someone from stealth throws them off your scent a bit, too. They are always moving towards the point from where you fired. As Toaster says, having read all 5 mags makes a difference, as does having the bobblehead.

And to make sure we are on the same page: stealth is not invisibility. And some enemies notice stealth way better than others, notably machines. My most dreaded trap are the lights which follow you, since they break stealth for good.

[Nite69]

I have 4.8x multi in stealth with all my weapons, and its more then enough for single shot kills on nearly everything.

[ghpstage]

Ninja is the only thing that allows my non legendary .38 automatic sniper rifle to still be a viable weapon in Far Harbour at level 46 on survival. Its far from useless.

-Hold alt to steady your aim
-Attach silencers, and if you can't put them on your weapon yet then be sure to move around after firing
-Weak points (head usually) will double the damage again
-You still get sneak attack bonus damage until they swap to DANGER under most circumstances.
-VATS crits disregard the hit odds and always hit unless the target moves behind total cover between the shot being fired and hitting.

Originally posted by Morgian:

My most dreaded trap are the lights which follow you, since they break stealth for good.

Until you shoot them out!

[GunBoat]

Originally posted by =EGC= _Nite_:

I have 4.8x multi in stealth with all my weapons, and its more then enough for single shot kills on nearly everything.

Ditto