DiMA, Is he good?

[the_british_kiwi]

Or does he deserve to die? What are your thoughts?

[Delfino]

Spoilers will coincide.

Dima is a hybrid second generation synth, similar to only Nick Valentine. They act and "feel" as closely to humans as any synth has felt in the institute's existance. They are the only two beings that know they were created to be both human and machine. 3rd generation synths, from what I've read / played to believe, only believe that they are human, even though they are synthetically created to be as close to a human being as one can be without being conceived from one human female and one human male.

DiMA and Nick both know they are not human beings. True 3rd generation synths only think they are human. Dima wants the player to understand why he did what he did, and he wants the player to trust that his judgment is sound beyond the other endings. If you don't side with Dima, then you will play out the destruction of the children of atom or the inhabitants of far harbor. You either find a reason for one of them to exist, or you find a means to see that both societies exist and are acceptable of one another. You must make this decision at the conslusion of the game. There are way too many variables and conclusions to make in order to assume any individual's conclusion; therefore, each player must decide as to how he or she will end this DLC. I personally decided to aid Dima.

I found that too many of the children of atom wanted to find a reason for existing, so I couldn't find myself readily eager to kill them off by forcing them to blow themselves up. You find yourself able to give them the means to blow themselves up or use the nuclear bomb for other means, so I decided to not even alert them to any option that included the nuclear bomb. Far Harbor only wants to exist with the idea that they could take back power over the island. So I chose to not alert either Far Harbor or the Children of the Atom of the impending doom. I sided with Dima to enact a lessor of two evils ending. I don't fully agree with placing a synth as a leader of both Far Harbor and the Children of the Atom; however, it is an ending that ensures that the most peacful of resolations can be sought.'

I'd like to hear from others that either chose this ending or other endings. Why did you choose another ending besides the one I choose? Why did you choose the same ending?

[CaptainSarcastic]

I murdered the single settler at County Crossing because I wanted to unlock the workshop there and I thought it was bugged. Didn't realize there was a BoS quest which would've unlocked it, and just straight-up murdered the dude there. So I'm pretty much worse than DiMa.

[GunBoat]

Originally posted by Toadflax:

He's fighting for the survival of his people. Sometimes he has to do morally questionable things, just like all nations do in wartime. You can't apply theoretical black-and-white moral judgements to someone whose friends and family are routinely being murdered and enslaved.

That's the problem with synths, they think they are human. They aren't. They are machines with someone elses memories uploaded into them. The only thing they should be thinking when asked to kill themselves is where and how.

[Mandrake109]

Originally posted by God:

Originally posted by Toadflax:

He's fighting for the survival of his people. Sometimes he has to do morally questionable things, just like all nations do in wartime. You can't apply theoretical black-and-white moral judgements to someone whose friends and family are routinely being murdered and enslaved.

That's the problem with synths, they think they are human. They aren't. They are machines with someone elses memories uploaded into them. The only thing they should be thinking when asked to kill themselves is where and how.

And how do they know they are not human? As far as they know they are very much human and very much able to feel everything that makes people "human".

[Polyphemus]

I'm sorry, but as far as the story is concerned, gen 3 synths -are- human. They're made from human DNA. There's no medical, biological, or psychological test that can tell them apart from naturally born humans. If they've had their memories wiped, even the Institute can't distinguish them.

How they were born is totally irrelevant. Otherwise, what is the status of children fron Caesarian section, test-tube babies, children from in-vitro fertilisation, or surrogate mothers?

-How- you were born does not determine your humanity.

[CaptainSarcastic]

Originally posted by Delfino:

Spoilers will coincide.

I'd like to hear from others that either chose this ending or other endings. Why did you choose another ending besides the one I choose? Why did you choose the same ending?

I did that ending, too, and since I ended the main game with the Railroad it made pretty decent sense. DiMA is a little hypocritical, but with the Railroad it made sense to keep Acadia intact. I also managed to avoid killing anyone in doing that ending, so ended up being less hypocritical than DiMA.

[Jusey1]

He's definably is a good person at heart, who just wants peace... It's just suck that the only way to get peace is to do something that is a bit more considered as bad.

Which is kinda like what real life is, if you think about it.

[Mandrake109]

Originally posted by Jusey1:

He's definably is a good person at heart, who just wants peace... It's just suck that the only way to get peace is to do something that is a bit more considered as bad.

Which is kinda like what real life is, if you think about it.

He is more of a product of the world he found himself in really.

[Jusey1]

Originally posted by Delfino:

If you don't side with Dima, then you will play out the destruction of the children of atom or the inhabitants of far harbor. You either find a reason for one of them to exist, or you find a means to see that both societies exist and are acceptable of one another. You must make this decision at the conslusion of the game.

There is also a lot of other choices which can decide the fate of specific NPCs, as well as having an effect on any of the main factions...

Or, become Chara and murder everybody.

[SuperBobKing]

All synths must die. Ad victoriam.

[GunBoat]

Originally posted by JTL2+3:

Originally posted by God:

That's the problem with synths, they think they are human. They aren't. They are machines with someone elses memories uploaded into them. The only thing they should be thinking when asked to kill themselves is where and how.

And how do they know they are not human? As far as they know they are very much human and very much able to feel everything that makes people "human".

Although the game is vague on this I suspect they would be able to tell themselves if they have a synth component. A real human would not know what a synth component feels like. Like that nagging I want to kill a human feeling, you know. They know, they're faking it.

[Clintdeadslayer]

The way he is voiced I get pure delusional evil, but he seems to be good inspite of that.

[Polyphemus]

You know, I find this whole argument on the one hand hilarious, and on the other, pretty disturbing.

You understand that the synths / humans / slavery thread in the story is a thinly veiled allegory of the situation of black people in the United States up to the 1800s? Right down to the Railroad. Those things were real. Read your history.

And just as in the story, back in the day, people justified slavery by claiming that black people weren't human, but just a more intelligent species of animal. Or that they were like humans, but they didn't have souls. Or that they were racially degenerate, and could never achieve self-determination.

It's really interesting to see the same old arguments being trotted out.

[Delfino]

Captain Sarcastic: I am quoting you, but the forums don't act nicely when I hit "Post Comment."

Dima made it known that he thought the Railroad had pretty much no input into his decision making. Moreso, he thought the railroad was a nuesance that pretty much was not needed in the process of aiding synths that wanted to defect from the institute. I enjoyed reading that he thought the railroad had actually done more damage than it did good; however, we'll never know if the Railroad ever did more good than it did bad. Compared to the other 3 endings, the Railroad is more of a "gray" or "grey" area ending. My twin brother chose the railroad. He's either fraternal or identical. You decide and interpret how you wish!

[Circuit]

Originally posted by the_british_kiwi:

Originally posted by JTL2+3:

He has what is called a greater good mindset which is more than can be said for half of the main factions.

Reminds me of how vault tech wanted to infect a vault with every virus known to man, so that they could create a cure for everything.. the scientists said they were doing that for the greater good

Man what vault is that? I would love to read up about it.