[Spoiler]Kasumi and Far Harbour Ending

[Larry]

Are you kidding me? If you choose to tell Far Harbour about Avery and DiMA Kasumi just turns on you? You can't just "not participate" they all turn on you and Kasumi just dies. You can't even try tell her to leave beforehand. She's not even a synth. Man, such poor options available. You don't even get the option to tell the Far Harbourers to just go for DiMA and not wipe all the synths out, or at least ask they not harm Kasumi.

I'm kind of pissed off with that!

[☘♥♥♥♥♥♥Ireland]

I did in fact tell her she was not a synth and sent her home before I rolled in with the coursers and reclaimed all my rogue property.

[HoroSaga]

You can actually convince the folks in Far Harbor to only kill DiMA and to leave Acadia alone, but only if you first confront DiMA about the murder and then convince him to turn himself in. DiMA will then be executed in Far Harbor for his crime, but you can then convince the Harbormen to leave Acadia alone.

It's a matter of immediate gratification. If DiMA is there when Far Harbor discovers the crime he commited, then they are immediately satisfied that justice has been served and you can convince them that the rest of the synths are innocent. If DiMA isn't there when the crime is revealed, then the harbormen assume that all of the synths were part of the conspiracy.

[Larry]

She just kept saying to speak with her after "it was all over" for me. I couldn't convince her she wasn't a synth, there was no option or dialogue for it(Maxed charisma with +4 through items, not a single Charisma check I don't pass). Even DiMA was screwed. The game simply would not let me talk about the windfarm. :/

It makes zero sense. I could convince Allen not to kill Avery but I can't convince him not to slaughter those who might not have been in on it? Ridiculous!

[HoroSaga]

Originally posted by Dr.Larry:

She just kept saying to speak with her after "it was all over" for me.

I think Esoteric Order of Dagon is referring to a different set of circumstances. You can invade Acadia with the Brotherhood or the Institute, if you choose to do so. You can finish the main Far Harbor quest beforehand, and send Kasumi home before you otherwise kill all of the synths with the BoS or Institute.

But no, you can't otherwise get Kasumi to leave until the main quest in Far Harbor has been completed.

Originally posted by Dr.Larry:

It makes zero sense. I could convince Allen not to kill Avery but I can't convince him not to slaughter those who might not have been in on it? Ridiculous!

There is ample evidence that Allen is a very emotional and impulsive individual. He executed multiple Children of Atom members, based entirely on rumors and speculation with no evidence to back up his assumptions. He is also very xenophobic, as shown by his irrational dislike of the main character (and all "Mainlanders" in general).

He would likely accept that Avery is innocent because he has known her personally for a long period of time. The residents of Acadia, on the other hand, are an unknown quantity so he immediately assumes the worst about them when presented with evidence of murder and conspiracy.

[Larry]

That would make sense if I didn't confirm and have Avery admit she was a synth. If Allen was so emotional he would have killed Avery there and then. The fact you can convince everyone in Far Harbour NOT to kill Avery knowing fully well she's a synth and has been for years but don't even have the option to tell them not to attack Arcadia and kill everyone is something really wrong with the options given to you given the situation.

It's still pretty ♥♥♥♥♥♥ and I guess it doesn't change much besides Kasumi simply being there if she survives and a few extra words of dialogue and maybe a few more caps but it seriously kills the sense of "RP" in this RPG when something so simple is overlooked. Completely ruined the ending for me. It would have been so much better if you simply could not convince Allen to kill Avery or have an option to try tell Allen not to attack only for him to ignore it and attack anyway. At the very least you should have had the chance to tell Kasumi she needed to leave because you were telling Far Harbour what happened.

[HoroSaga]

Originally posted by Dr.Larry:

That would make sense if I didn't confirm and have Avery admit she was a synth. If Allen was so emotional he would have killed Avery there and then. The fact you can convince everyone in Far Harbour NOT to kill Avery knowing fully well she's a synth and has been for years but don't even have the option to tell them not to attack Arcadia and kill everyone is something really wrong with the options given to you given the situation.

The key difference is that Avery is someone they know. She has a face that they all recognize, and even if it's proven that she's a synth, the harborfolks are more likely to be sympathetic toward her because she's a familiar person who they know has been trying to help them for years. It helps that she also legitimately had no idea she was a synth, because her fake memories prevented her from remembering it, and her distress seems genuine when the truth is revealed.

The synths at Acadia, on the other hand, are mostly folks that none of people in Far Harbor have ever met or even seen before. They're not present to plead their side of the case when the crime is revealed, so the folks in Far Harbor are left to draw their own emotion-fueled conclusions about Acadia's motivations or involvement. That's where the xenophobia kicks in, especially given the already tense state that Far Harbor is in due to the ongoing conflict with the Children of Atom.

It's easy to condemn a person or group of people when you don't have to listen to their side of the story, or even look them in the face while you're doing it.

[GunBoat]

It's a moderation brainwashing thing. You can't save the girl unless you have a moderate focus. Simulation training.

Even though the synth's murdered and covertly replaced the leader of a town in order to try to keep them passive.

Even though the synths gave them fog condensers to make them dependent on synths.

Even though synths setup a kill switch to kill them if the above two items did not work as planned.

You must still just take the sacrificial offering (Dima) and remain as is.

I just wish they could have done it themselves without forcing Kasumi to be killed. After all they were the ones that were wronged.

[Direvex]

well she chose her side so f*ck her and burn with the rest of the synth scum

[GunBoat]

Originally posted by Direvex:

well she chose her side so f*ck her and burn with the rest of the synth scum

Yep, they're not doing a very good job of promoting synthism. Plus, so many young people today are just so gullible. Sometimes, you just can't fix stupid. Not to quote a famous comedian who did expansive research on the subject.

[boeriemore]

Originally posted by HoroSaga:

Originally posted by Dr.Larry:

She just kept saying to speak with her after "it was all over" for me.

I think Esoteric Order of Dagon is referring to a different set of circumstances. You can invade Acadia with the Brotherhood or the Institute, if you choose to do so. You can finish the main Far Harbor quest beforehand, and send Kasumi home before you otherwise kill all of the synths with the BoS or Institute.

But no, you can't otherwise get Kasumi to leave until the main quest in Far Harbor has been completed.

Originally posted by Dr.Larry:

It makes zero sense. I could convince Allen not to kill Avery but I can't convince him not to slaughter those who might not have been in on it? Ridiculous!

There is ample evidence that Allen is a very emotional and impulsive individual. He executed multiple Children of Atom members, based entirely on rumors and speculation with no evidence to back up his assumptions. He is also very xenophobic, as shown by his irrational dislike of the main character (and all "Mainlanders" in general).

He would likely accept that Avery is innocent because he has known her personally for a long period of time. The residents of Acadia, on the other hand, are an unknown quantity so he immediately assumes the worst about them when presented with evidence of murder and conspiracy.

"But no, you can't otherwise get Kasumi to leave until the main quest in Far Harbor has been completed." This is not correct. I sent her home and as yet have not had an option to report to Dima regarding his memory tapes 2,3 and 4.

[Fable]

Needless to say I obliterated the Children of Atom and Acadia. Heretics to humanity.

[b 0 t t i n i]

Im going through all that, just started dialog with kasumi. dont know whats ahead, but i dont mind spoilers, the experiance is what is important to me. Kinda sucks, but i dont mind....just hope its alot of quest ahead.

I honestlly was going to drop every body after quests are done, kasumi too. androids need tah DIE ! ----BOOM !! ---> DROIDS GO --->

[[R] Iglix]

Arcadia proved to me to be same as Institute and thus I eradicated them with Brotherhood.

Because it is not only Dima who is murderer but also Avery who knew what Dima did and yet still went and let herself be mindwiped and programed to his goals having no problems with decepting local population.

She is just as guilty as Dima.
Obviously synths have no qualms about lives of other humans. Because they were programed to not have them in first place. And their modus operandi remained same even after they left Institute. Question then is what else is programed within them. Some command or switch that will sudenly turn that innocent meek person in bloodthirsty murder on command?

My main issue with this quest was not that I could not get Kasumi away but with fact that I can't cooperate with Alen and Brotherhood at the same time. The moment I tell truth to citizens of Far Harbor they go full frenzy right away and I can't even tell them to wait for 5 minutes for me to bring with them few helpfull powerarmored friends.

[clinton]

I realise this is an old post, but any recent searches that get redirected to here might like to know how to save Kasumi.

You need to complete several quests for the people of Far Harbour before going through the Where You Belong quest at Arcadia.
Then when DiMA faces "justice" at Far Harbour you can plead that the people of Arcadia are innocent. All the Far Harbour people you have helped will be on your side and Allan Lee will back down on insisting the attack on Arcadia.
If you haven't helped anyone, they will side with Allen and you cannot stop them from attacking Arcadia.
If you are successful, you can then return to Arcadia, find Kasumi and she will agree to go home.

I'm not sure of the minimum number of helps you need to do to be successful, but I did all the Cassie ones, the Captains Dance, helped Small Bertha, the three Mariner quests and saved Uncle Ken for Mitch and that did the trick.

[B-loeber]

caan you still send in the bos to kill the synths after saving kasumi??? would really like to wipe the city of the map!