Gauss Rifle = Anti-Material more than .50 sniper?

[Frosty Mist]

In reality doesn't the Gauss Rifle or even the Railroad Rifle act more like a .50 cal then a .50 sniper rifle? I've used the sniper rifle and its pretty weak for a .50, you even need several shots to kill armoured enemies. While Gauss Rifle or "Railroad Rifle" does alot of damage and when you shoot somebody with a gauss rifle in VATS animation it really looks like "Ooh thats gotta hurt". I got my railroad rifle off of desdemona when the BoS ordered me to kill the Railroad because she spawned with it for some reason.

[Incunabulum]

You're . . . you're seriously saying you've used a real-life .50BMG anti-materiel rifle to take out a power-armored soldier so you have the credentials to reasonably question this game's verisimilitude?

[Urizen]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coilgun

[GunBoat]

It's a game, it's not real life. That said the .50 cal is really for head shots. Blows them right off. The two shot gauss, missles, and fat man do not matter where you hit them nearly all the time. Distance plays a role too but not much with those.

[Ordellus]

Originally posted by Incunabulum:

you're seriously saying you've used a real-life .50BMG anti-materiel rifle to take out a power-armored soldier so you have the credentials to reasonably question this game's verisimilitude?

^^^ People that use "logic" like this are ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ idiots.

[Yhwach]

Originally posted by Incunabulum:

You're . . . you're seriously saying you've used a real-life .50BMG anti-materiel rifle to take out a power-armored soldier so you have the credentials to reasonably question this game's verisimilitude?

Power Armor is made out of a tough metal alloy that's roughly, or below the armor threshold of a tank, and .50 is more than capable of ripping through the hull of a tank:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LPQ1Sp0huLk

Plus, .50 is also able to penetrate bullet proof glass, which is prety damn impressive.. but then again, It's bloody .50 calibers..
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1fCZvOHd5dg

Point being, the U.S Army may not have Power Armor yet, but I think It'd be able to at least put a hole in power armor

[Incunabulum]

Originally posted by Scarecrow:

Originally posted by Incunabulum:

You're . . . you're seriously saying you've used a real-life .50BMG anti-materiel rifle to take out a power-armored soldier so you have the credentials to reasonably question this game's verisimilitude?

Power Armor is made out of a tough metal alloy that's roughly, or below the armor threshold of a tank, and .50 is more than capable of ripping through the hull of a tank:


Plus, .50 is also able to penetrate bullet proof glass, which is prety damn impressive.. but then again, It's bloody .50 calibers..


Point being, the U.S Army may not have Power Armor yet, but I think It'd be able to at least put a hole in power armor

'Hull' of a tank? Which part? Because a tank is not evenly armored all the way around. Shooting through the side of the tank, between the tread wheels is not impressive. Shooting through the front strike plate is.

M2/3's made more Iraqi tank kills with their 25mm autocannons than the M-1 did.

The difference is a half inch of RHA and over half meter of ceramic composite armor backed by depleted Uranium (for modern Western tanks - not 20-40 year old Soviet second-handers).

And 'bullet-proof glass' is not some magical material that is proof against bullets. Its simply a block of transparent plastic that is strong and *thick enough* to provide protection up to a single strike from a specified caliber. Those vision slits and sensor covers? Are usuall proof against 7.62 mm ball with a few set up to be able to handle a hit or two from .50BMG. But pretty much none of them will survive multiple hits. Fire enough 5.56x45 and you'll chew through them.

Most of our light armored vehicles are able to handle up to 7.62 mm ball - again, not multiple strikes in the same place (but that's hard to do anyway).



BUUUUUUUUUUUT - we're talking about a videogame weapon being critiqued by people who've never even *seen* the real-world equivalents being compared to other weapons that don't exist in the real world being used against mobs that have HP and DR and DT and not flesh and blood and vital organs.

IRL it doesn't take you 5 critical hits to kill someone with a .22LR.


According to the wiki, T-51 provides 2,500 Joules of kinetic protection - that corresponds to providing protection against (up to) 7.62 NATO ball. So your .50 cal should blow holes in armor everytime it hits - but the game doesn't model that, it models hitpoints.

http://fallout.wikia.com/wiki/Power_armor_specs

[terryt3535]

You aren't shooting the same .50 caliber reciever and matching cartridge. You are shooting a cartridge made for a reworked .308. Only New Vegas with GRA and explosive ammo approached the damage a real .50 BMG shot with a specialy built gun can do.

[omegazeda]

I fired one of those .50BMGs without ear guard, was deaf for a bit, still whistles in left ear, but i think it's from infection, LMAO XD

[Frosty Mist]

Originally posted by Incunabulum:

You're . . . you're seriously saying you've used a real-life .50BMG anti-materiel rifle to take out a power-armored soldier so you have the credentials to reasonably question this game's verisimilitude?

I don't mean power armour but the "combat armour" guys or the ones wearing basic armour and are say raider veterans for example. They don't even have power armour on and it takes many hits from it to kill them. I understand power armour = the properties of a "light tank" applied to a single person so it can deflect severa .50s.

As for why they didn't add an "Anti-Material Rifle". Gauss rifle probably really seems to have filled the role as one in this timeline, the hits from it look quite "painful" as I've said for some reason lol.

[Stoob]

One thing (a slight aside) about the Gauss Rifle in FO4. How the hell is a suppressor supposed to make any difference when there's no charge/powder output to suppress? Noise from a Gauss would come from the sound of the magnets and kinetic energy transferance. Anyhoo, as I said, a slight aside to the discussion.
:)

[JACK DÆMEN]

Originally posted by Scarecrow:

Originally posted by Incunabulum:

You're . . . you're seriously saying you've used a real-life .50BMG anti-materiel rifle to take out a power-armored soldier so you have the credentials to reasonably question this game's verisimilitude?

Power Armor is made out of a tough metal alloy that's roughly, or below the armor threshold of a tank, and .50 is more than capable of ripping through the hull of a tank:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LPQ1Sp0huLk

Plus, .50 is also able to penetrate bullet proof glass, which is prety damn impressive.. but then again, It's bloody .50 calibers..
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1fCZvOHd5dg

Power Armor in Fallout is mainly made of lead to combat radiation, followed by steels, lightweight composites and alloys, or polylaminate composites. However there have been chemical hardening applied to the armor pieces to increase resistance to all forms of damage (but we don't know by how much).

Bullet-proof glass in that video was never made to protect from anti-material rounds anyway.Also, 50 BMG's aren't capable of ripping through the hull of a modern tank unless done so in ridiculous volumes. Heck, a 50 BMG armor piercing round couldn't go halfway through an inch of AR550 steel plating.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pjVrcr3VXjk

Originally posted by Stoob:

One thing (a slight aside) about the Gauss Rifle in FO4. How the hell is a suppressor supposed to make any difference when there's no charge/powder output to suppress? Noise from a Gauss would come from the sound of the magnets and kinetic energy transferance. Anyhoo, as I said, a slight aside to the discussion.
:)

You forgot about breaking the sound barrier.

@OP:
Video game math logic doesn't apply to real life examples. In Fallout 4, when you shoot a 50 cal rifle at an enemy, you're only depleting X amount of health from the target's health threshold (a number). RL variables of tissue, organ, shock, etc aren't applied.

[Jigsaw]

A paintball gun will penetrate Power Armor.. in any game..

[Bored Peon]

Guass and plasma weapons suck ass physics wise in game.

They both fire so slow the mobs will literally move out of the way before impact.

The projectile has a BIG collision frame on it meaning it constantly hits something OTHER than your target.

[Stoob]

I did enjoy this tongue-in-cheek critique of Laser weapons. (contains expletives)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rKHa9Df0bCk

[TaintedLuck]

So many fallout new vegas kiddies assuming a .50 rifle has to be a anti material rifle there are rifles in the real world use .50 caliber rounds that are not meant for vehicles

But of course the .50 mod for the hunting rifle has to make it a anti material rifle