(SPOILERS) Far Harbor Moral Choice Discussion

[Beatmasterfresh]

I am opening up this forum so we can discuss which ending we believe to be the best choice.

I am an Institute guy all the way, for me it is the only choice I can make...(BoS is my second pick.) Under the institute's current leadership they make some pretty awful choices, but with the main ending you take control of THE biggest pool of agricultural, medical and technological resources the post apocalyptic world has ever seen. Being the leader, it is your call what they do with them.

I did something pretty tricky with my play through. If DiMA can come to the conclusion that replacing free thinking humans for programmed synths is justifiable, then that makes his programming very dangerous. Obtaining peace for him is obtained by removing free agents...scary stuff.

Used DiMA to create a peace built on lies to solve the immediate problem, then contacted the institute to storm Acadia and reclaim the synths once the "false" peace was obtained. As the leader of the Institute we are halting the construction of the Gen III synths and reclaiming any and all still out there...it's all too "Terminator" for me and they need to be reeled in.

This ending stops the "body snatching" and creates a temporary peace until a more perminate one can be obtained. Perhaps outing DiMA's body snatching to both sides to create a united front against Acadia...which you already took care of with the institute. This might unite both sides and give you weight for negotiation as a sort of "bringer of truth" in outing their replaced leadership.

What do you guys think?

[Tim Timsen]

*Opinion*

[capnclammy]

I made a nice peaceful island for me an the Far Harbor residents. Everyone in the commonwealth can deal with their own problems now. I have some unfinished buisiness with the institute that I will eventually get around to. They can live with the fear for now.

[Syn]

Me, I achieved the 3 way peace and am currently holding off the Institute retrieval team while I properly civilise the island.

I wish there was some dialogue to point blank tell DiMA Acadia's existence hangs on my one order, that I'm watching him and the Institute will shut him down the moment he steps out of line.

Originally posted by capnclammy:

I have some unfinished buisiness with the institute that I will eventually get around to. They can live with the fear for now.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RR4wf6AAcQc

[drizzan]

I did the same thing as you did, false peace by replacing the children of atom leader, then after every quest was done including kasumi (she went home) i visited the institute and attacked arcadia and reclaimed the synths.
Since you are the leader of the institute it is better to have full control of what goes on with the synths instead of some rogues doing some potentially dangerous stuff on the loose.

[Tommy Angelo]

I made the 3way peace, but im not gonna let the institute destroy Acadia

Im the director, i control this sh*t, I respect Dima and the other synths, i cant destroy them

[big stupid jellyfish]

I made peace with everyone to get Kasumi away from Arcadia, then i rekt the place with the Brotherhood. No more replacing for you DiMA!

[Beatmasterfresh]

Originally posted by big stupid jellyfish:

I made peace with everyone to get Kasumi away from Arcadia, then i rekt the place with the Brotherhood. No more replacing for you DiMA!

Yeah, the way he justifies removing free agents to obtain peace is a very scary ideology. Imagine when he is done with creating peace in far harbor and decides the commonwealth poses a threat to his peace. How many people will he have to replace in the commonwealth to secure peace for his people? Will he try to replace me? (the leader of the institute)

[GunBoat]

My moral opinion would be always put FREEDOM at the top and murder at the bottom and then everything else falls into place between those. I like to simplify.

With that said, I think Acadia was the Institute's back up location and DIMA was just a figure-head. However, I have absolutely no evidence to support that.

[Zubenelgenubi]

I had DiMA replace everyone with synths to bring peace the island, told Kasumi to go home, then called in the BoS to lay waste to Arcadia.

On my second playthrough i'm being much more synth friendly.

[gonzoguns]

I nuked the Children of Adam......and Dima is getting along fine with Far Harbor, 3 happy settlements....and the air qualifty improved 100%, less fog.....no radiation except Storms.

Just nuked the Institute......and still friends with thr Railroad and the BOS, perfect ending, full access to all the BOS benefits, and the Railroad perks......and I'm actually being addressed as the General of the Minutmen......feels great.....even the BOS people on the blimp are behind me....Maxin hasn't said anything so far....spoil sport

With the Minute men I have artillary support, and the Veribird to fly anywhere I want to go.....win win for me.

[ComradePreacher]

I made DiMa made a trial in far harbor and got himself executed for his past crime. I think it's the right thing but it still does not solve the heating issue between Far Harbor and Children of Atom.

I think i will eliminate the Children of Atom but should i allow DiMa to live? he have done good things for both sides especially the fog condensers for the locals in the island. What if he learns something and does not try to replace anymore? I would like to hear your voices on this one.

[LordFreezerBurn]

Mine was mixed but satisfying all the same. Having learned DiMA's secret I decided he was too dangerous. Even though he had good intentions it was clear that his ideals for "The Greater Good" were just not right for me. The idea he would replace other leaders to force peace sorta reminded me of The World's End (That case featured aliens replacing undesireable people). So I made DiMA turn himself in and convinced Far Harbor to not take action against Arcadia. Later, I realized that war between Far Harbor and the Children was going to happen. So I decided to help the Children by sending them to meet their god and they kindly thanked me with bullets. Kasumi was sent home. If she discovers she is a synth (via not aging) or decides she wants to leave home she can always go back to Arcadia so I consider that a win.

TLDR:
DiMA is dead, Arcadia survives (for now), Far Harbor is Alive, Children of Atom nuked, Kasumi returned home.

[GunBoat]

What if DIMA is just a frontman so to speak and there is actually someone else behind him making the decisions? What if it's actually Avery? If you cannot answer these examples for sure then they all must be shutdown. Remember you are not murdering a synth since they are a program, you could do the same with their shutdown code if you had it.

DIMA/synths murdered real humans more than once and asked you to do one for them. They covertly replaced those they killed with their own surplanted with their memories. They hid the facts and wiped them from their memories for plausible deniablity. They brought in a real human, making her think she was a synth as a human shield.

Power OFF becomes them.

[Beatmasterfresh]

Originally posted by God:

My moral opinion would be always put FREEDOM at the top and murder at the bottom and then everything else falls into place between those. I like to simplify.

With that said, I think Acadia was the Institute's back up location and DIMA was just a figure-head. However, I have absolutely no evidence to support that.

That is a very interesting theory. We really don't have a way of knowing for sure...Being as the Institute does not claim to have knowledge of DiMA and are eager to reclaim him, I am not so sure about it.

Their programming justifies the taking of human life and removal of free choice (replacing free thinking human leaders with synths programmed to complete a purpose.) Super dangerous because it isnt a stretch for DiMA to come to the conclusion humanity cannot be trusted with it's own governance and our freedoms need to be removed to ensure "peace."

[Hex]

I find this thread so fascinating. You guys are actually against DiMA for killing 2 people and switching them to Synths but have no problem wiping out doznes of people to achieve peace. Holy hypocrisy batman.

Damn that DiMA, he should face mob justice in Far Harbour for killing one person years ago and after that, let's go nuke the Children of Atom because they dress funny.