Nuka-World's Settlement instead Raider Camp raiding definitely killed the whole Game...

[NeXuS23]

... at least for me for sure.

Because introducing a such Thing on the last DLC where it should be known that all normal Settlements have already been claimed, build and established since Years is sure to break everything...

Well at least for me that happened, it was the utter crap:

- Supply Lines totally broken up and no way to establish them again
- Settler Groups of 15-20 walking away and massacred by Raiders just 200m later
- Bugged out Workbenches full of Stuff that i myself filled in there
- Access lost to Settlements that i myself have build from scratch
- Ghost-Town Settlements after Settlers gone and ones Raider Groups Betrayal
- Bugged out Raider Outpost Count (needed about 12 to reach the 8)
- Settlers simply standing there in the Raider Outposts and won't leave even after Fast Travel
- Groups of Settlers massacred by the Settlements Turrets while they walked away
- All Settlers suddenly freezed swimming in the Sea after the Take-Over Dialog

Really that Part of Nuka-World is one big utter game breaking mess up... It's like if Nuka-World was made for trashing the whole Settlement System and Game for good as a last fanal...

Yeah, i have made a Save before and i suggest everyone to do the same before taking over the first Settlement, but still the whole Thing could have been made so much better...

Why the Hell we need to take over Settler Settlements and not the ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ Raider Camps out there? Yeah last would make so much more sense right and also would even make those Raider attacks on Raider Outpost way more logically... Or where do those new named Raiders Groups come from that want to takeover Raider Outposts? From thin Air? Yeah it seems so, because they puff shows up and puff vanish again, hilarious!

Yeah Bethesda really delivered their Masterpiece of ♥♥♥♥ with this one...

At least Nuka World made one Thing clear, the whole Settlement System is ♥♥♥♥♥♥ up beyond belief, especially if you invested 600+ Hours in building them and used the crap tons of Minecraft DLC that came only to see that the last DLC (Nuka World) then ♥♥♥♥♥ everything up within 2 Hours...

Also why the hell i loose access to my Settlement that i builded up, hey it's my ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ Settlement that i made, not those ♥♥♥♥♥ NPC's ok, i provided the Stuff and i builded it up, i ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ own it, no matter who i let life and work there ... so yeah that whole take over crap makes absolutely no Sense and the whole Thing is totally immersion breaking...

I mean c'mon they act like if they own the Stuff there, the Stuff that i provided and the Stuff that i builded up there ... no they don't ... i ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ own it ... so the whole Dialogs makes no Sense at all...

Also without the possibility to re-take-over, some Settlements now simply became Ghost Towns, that happened with the ones taken over for that Raider Group that betrayed me then, empty Settlements without possibility to get them again - totally broken crap and the proof that the whole Settlement System if ♥♥♥♥♥♥ up beyond belief...

I don't understand why Bethesda not simply made the crap tons of existing Raider Camps to be taken over as Raider Outposts for the Nuka Worlds Raiders instead or also simply introduce some new Settlements to take over, because that would have been fun, way more logical and also non-game-breaking for People that spend 600+ Hours already building everything else up...

But ok so Nuka World now is truely the last one, so i moved the Game to the completed Category and will not touch it again for sure, everything was ♥♥♥♥♥♥ up for good and it's truely over now, who knows perhaps it's what Bethesda wanted, to definitely ♥♥♥♥ up the Game for good with the last DLC so that everyone can move on ... if so, well made Bethesda, well made...

And at least i don't have to care for new F4SE fixes after every little Patch anymore to fix that hilarious Console-Crap-Mods-do-prevent-Achievements-♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ over and over and over and over again...

Yeah, Nuka World is for sure the last DLC...

[Ruin]

NeXuS23 eredeti hozzászólása:

Ruin eredeti hozzászólása:

Then get a mod (or use the console) to remove his essential flag...

Yeah, i know, i know, but that's not the Problem here... I mean with Mods everything is possible and fixable, but i still hate how things was ♥♥♥♥♥♥ up with that DLC... Seems it was not thinked trough, not well planned but simply tacked on...

No...Bethesda simply gave you options... YOU didn't think it through...

You've been pissing and moaning about it "breaking" your game, yet it didn't force you to do a damn'd thing... You made that choice...

THERE IS A "GOOD" OPTION, BUT YOU CHOSE NOT TO TAKE IT, FFS...

This entire thread, is little more than people trying to logically explain to you that YOU decided to break your game, by following the full Raider quest line, and that the Raider arc was aimed at new games, or people who didn't care about "breaking" their existing games...

Stop whinging, and take some responsibily for your own actions, FFS...

[NeXuS23]

Ruin eredeti hozzászólása:

NeXuS23 eredeti hozzászólása:

Yeah, i know, i know, but that's not the Problem here... I mean with Mods everything is possible and fixable, but i still hate how things was ♥♥♥♥♥♥ up with that DLC... Seems it was not thinked trough, not well planned but simply tacked on...

No...Bethesda simply gave you options... YOU didn't think it through...

You've been pissing and moaning about it "breaking" your game, yet it didn't force you to do a damn'd thing... You made that choice...

THERE IS A "GOOD" OPTION, BUT YOU CHOSE NOT TO TAKE IT, FFS...

This entire thread, is little more than people trying to logically explain to you that YOU decided to break your game, by following the full Raider quest line, and that the Raider arc was aimed at new games, or people who didn't care about "breaking" their existing games...

Stop whinging, and take some responsibily for your own actions, FFS...

Wrong, you have almost no choice... And the good Option you mention is the bad Option that takes away almost any Quests from you and turning that DLC into an boring empty additional Area...

Perhaps i should load that Save just prior i taken over the first one and simply take over every single Settlement for one Raider Group, then only two Settlements would be left with essentials and then i set Preston to non-essential and kill him and then i exterminate those damn Minute Man crap Faction... And for farming and Supply Lines i build and use Robots... That way it at least makes some Sense... But honestly i have enough from Fallout 4 now, time to move on now and that DLC has exactly achieved that, the Feeling that the Game is over for good now...

[Ruin]

NeXuS23 eredeti hozzászólása:

Wrong, you have almost no choice...

Wrong... You have the choice to aid the raiders, or not... You chose the wrong option...

[NeXuS23]

Ruin eredeti hozzászólása:

NeXuS23 eredeti hozzászólása:

Wrong, you have almost no choice...

Wrong... You have the choice to aid the raiders, or not... You chose the wrong option...

Yeah and that Option is to kill all... If you do you are left with an empty boring place with nothing but a Market with Slaves still wearing the Collar because not even this Option was thinked trough... You also will miss almost all Quests because that DLC was made for the other Option... Your Option is the cheap shortcut to end Option only... Also no way to get Settlements in Nuka World either without heavy Mod usage...

[mcdcecil]

Nuka world is almost like..well so you want to play a bad guy. the oppertunity dose not exist without nuka world wich most of us played towards the end game. it compells one to play again. because i could not bring my self to start harrasing my setelments.i think nuka world would work best with a bad guy..raider play through where you never got involved with the minutmen. ie go to nuka world as soon as possible.

[NeXuS23]

mcdcecil eredeti hozzászólása:

Nuka world is almost like..well so you want to play a bad guy. the oppertunity dose not exist without nuka world wich most of us played towards the end game. it compells one to play again. because i could not bring my self to start harrasing my setelments.i think nuka world would work best with a bad guy..raider play through where you never got involved with the minutmen. ie go to nuka world as soon as possible.

Yeah ok, but you need a already well builded and leveled Toon to even go to Nuka World, so obviously there will be some Settlements already... But yeah...

Also strange that with one of the later DLC you can build such Things and command Settlers in:

http://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=768233979

Nice isn' it and so i can also punish Settlers that inhabit my Settlements like this for whatever Reason, but can't enslave them with Collars to force them to farm in Raider Outposts... But ohh well there are so many Things tacked on without any real purpose... I mean that Thing in the Screenshot i made is what i would do with slaves that don't well-behave but with settlers?

[badchad71]

If you have ghost towns you need to clear the enemies out and reclaim the workshop.

also if: there are turrets there then that is the problem. After destroying them they still have 1 hp so they can be repaired or whatever reason. I would suggest using a console command to really delete those turrets so you can reclaim the settlement.

(or store the turrets before you start the mission open season)

[ChemicalBacon]

NeXuS23 eredeti hozzászólása:

Chemicalbacon eredeti hozzászólása:

The tribute of crops they give to your raider settlement in exchange for not being killed.
As I keep saying, this is the deal.
You don't invade a settlement, you enslave it - big differance.

I built everything in that Settlement including the crops, they only farmed them for themself and for me and now i come and request that they farm them for my Raider Outpost...

Not a big Difference and certainly no Reason that somehow the Possession of the Settlement is suddenly taken away... I would really prefer to enslave them with Collars instead, so at least it would be 100% clear that everything including them belongs to me then...

Yeah, you "request" by making threats or almost killing all of them.

Your logic doesn't change what i'm saying.

[Zulu]

I was going to contribute something to this but i was buried under several walls of text. R.I.P. my presence here.

[NeXuS23]

This pretty good sums it up, how hilarious it is... So threatening People is ok for Preston, but don't try to build that Pole... LOL! Really he's essential Flag needs to be removed if you join the Raiders, so that we can get rid of him...

Also some People have now the Problem that he turned hostile and begins to attack you on sight in your own Settlements, without the possiblity to kill him for good, hilarious and because it happened on Consoles there is no way to set him non-essential manually...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yemtkc1xdQs

Somehow the Nuka World DLC Message is, the whole Mainstory doesn't matter, all that Settlement building shtako you done for a whole Year doesn't matter, nothing matters at all... The second Message is, that was the last DLC and it's Game Over and so nothing matters anyway...

[ChemicalBacon]

NeXuS23 eredeti hozzászólása:

Somehow the Nuka World DLC Message is, the whole Mainstory doesn't matter, all that Settlement building shtako you done for a whole Year doesn't matter, nothing matters at all... The second Message is, that was the last DLC and it's Game Over and so nothing matters anyway...

That's completely wrong, but if you feel you need to draw that conclusion because you are salty, go ahead.

[NeXuS23]

Chemicalbacon eredeti hozzászólása:

NeXuS23 eredeti hozzászólása:

Somehow the Nuka World DLC Message is, the whole Mainstory doesn't matter, all that Settlement building shtako you done for a whole Year doesn't matter, nothing matters at all... The second Message is, that was the last DLC and it's Game Over and so nothing matters anyway...

That's completely wrong, but if you feel you need to draw that conclusion because you are salty, go ahead.

Well, i'm not alone with that conclusion, so whatever, for me this conlusion match perfectly... And there are even Discussion about how Bethesda ♥♥♥♥♥♥ it up...

Apparently the Nuka World Team wasn't even allowed to break the Main Story up like this with any Quests there, but well they did... And releasing that DLC after a Year and as the last one, well, i really can't come to another conclusion...

Also for the ones saying it's for new Players, you need to be Level 30 to actually go to Nuka World, so it's not really intended for new Players...

And the so called Good-Option is actually the bad one in that DLC, because the whole DLC is made for becoming a Raider, if you don't you simply have to kill all there and that's it... And you can't even free the Slaves from their Collars there after killing everything...

That alternate Route wasn't done right, they probably finished the first Route and then suddenly not knowed what to do if People really don't want to be Raiders...

[Zulu]

NeXuS23 eredeti hozzászólása:

Chemicalbacon eredeti hozzászólása:

That's completely wrong, but if you feel you need to draw that conclusion because you are salty, go ahead.

Well, i'm not alone with that conclusion, so whatever, for me this conlusion match perfectly... And there are even Discussion about how Bethesda ♥♥♥♥♥♥ it up...

Apparently the Nuka World Team wasn't even allowed to break the Main Story up like this with any Quests there, but well they did... And releasing that DLC after a Year and as the last one, well, i really can't come to another conclusion...

Also for the ones saying it's for new Players, you need to be Level 30 to actually go to Nuka World, so it's not really intended for new Players...

And the so called Good-Option is actually the bad one in that DLC, because the whole DLC is made for becoming a Raider, if you don't you simply have to kill all there and that's it... And you can't even free the Slaves from their Collars there after killing everything...

That alternate Route wasn't done right, they probably finished the first Route and then suddenly not knowed what to do if People really don't want to be Raiders...

Not everyone has this stance on the game.

what has releasing a DLC after a year and being the last one have to do with anything? that's not an argument for anything.

You don't actually have to be level 30. You can go before hand but it's not advised.

So you are complaining that you can't be good in this very 'evil' based raider DLC that most people wanted so they could actually be 'bad'?

There isn't really anything to do once all the raiders are done. The traders only wan't to trade. They don't want to endager themselves exploring the park.

[ChemicalBacon]

NeXuS23 eredeti hozzászólása:

Chemicalbacon eredeti hozzászólása:

That's completely wrong, but if you feel you need to draw that conclusion because you are salty, go ahead.

Well, i'm not alone with that conclusion, so whatever, for me this conlusion match perfectly... And there are even Discussion about how Bethesda ♥♥♥♥♥♥ it up...

Apparently the Nuka World Team wasn't even allowed to break the Main Story up like this with any Quests there, but well they did... And releasing that DLC after a Year and as the last one, well, i really can't come to another conclusion...

Also for the ones saying it's for new Players, you need to be Level 30 to actually go to Nuka World, so it's not really intended for new Players...

And the so called Good-Option is actually the bad one in that DLC, because the whole DLC is made for becoming a Raider, if you don't you simply have to kill all there and that's it... And you can't even free the Slaves from their Collars there after killing everything...

That alternate Route wasn't done right, they probably finished the first Route and then suddenly not knowed what to do if People really don't want to be Raiders...

No you aren't alone in that conclusion, but that doesn't make it anymore valid.

I've laid out the logic behind it, which is solid.
But you keep falling back to the same arguement "I built it", I won't bother repeating myself, but this isn't a problem with the game or developer, it's with the player.