What factions would still be alive during fallout 4?

[🖤Lyra🖤]

Was wondering what factions from the previous games would still be “alive” it’s hard to say when the player gets to determine which factions from the previous games get to live or die.

[Docsprock]

I am fairly confident that the NCR would still be in existence during this time.

I find it difficult to imagine, (still), that BOS and the Enclave chased each other all the way across the country. If either were still around, they would still be West of the Rocky Mountains.

[Ommamar]

Originally posted by Docsprock:

I am fairly confident that the NCR would still be in existence during this time.

I find it difficult to imagine, (still), that BOS and the Enclave chased each other all the way across the country. If either were still around, they would still be West of the Rocky Mountains.

I can see your point. I understand though why Bethesda kept them in, although they could of made a completely different setting happen when they made Fallout 3. People bang on both the newer Bethesda games though for how they handled the lore. I couldn't imagine the reception Fallout 3 would of gotten if they hadn't put in familiar factions people can interact with.

[🖤Lyra🖤]

Originally posted by Docsprock:

I am fairly confident that the NCR would still be in existence during this time.

I find it difficult to imagine, (still), that BOS and the Enclave chased each other all the way across the country. If either were still around, they would still be West of the Rocky Mountains.

I hope to see the NCR in fallout 5 as they are my fav faction mostly due to the cool looking ranger armor.

[Anvos]

NCR and Legion probably exist, but how well they exist depends on which ending of NV is canon.

House's Independent Vegas is 100% down to which NV end is canon.

Followers of the Apocalypse exist, but their half religious movement.

Enclave, signs are unclear, but by now chances are high there are multiple Enclave bases remaining, as having Raven Rock and a base in West Virginia is proof they weren't even regional hubs, but just an Enclave bunker system.

Great Khans again NV ending dependent.

The Pitt, very likely does, and Fallout 4 has no evidence of the region being annexed by the BoS, though until we get a canon on if Ashur remained in charge or not, we can't say much more.

West Virginia, good question, though there are multiple ways all factions could have died between 76 and Lyon's Expedition. Though at best case scenario their likely isolationist if they aren't all dead, given Elder Lyons, isn't recorded to have made contact with anybody there and there is no hint Arthur Maxson had contact with anybody there either.

West Coat BoS, as far we know they exist, but have been rendered into minor faction status in the Western US.

[Bored Peon]

Hearts of Iron IV has an Old World Blues mod. It is definitely not canon, but shows almost all the factions on the map an has some fictional ones. It also kinda puts a bigger perspective of what stopping the Legion means.

[fmalfeas]

The faction you need to worry about is Christine's faction. Because when she finally dies, there won't be anyone to stop fools from letting the Ghost People out.

[libertasgrace]

Originally posted by fmalfeas:

The faction you need to worry about is Christine's faction. Because when she finally dies, there won't be anyone to stop fools from letting the Ghost People out.

Not to mention the Cloud, and the Marked Men and Tunnelers. Ulysses said at some point in Lonesome Road that it was a matter of time before the Tunnelers spread to the Mojave because they bred so quickly. ....But these aren't exactly factions, are they?

[Anvos]

Ulysses was a moron, a species that is disorientated by light, isn't a threat to the surface world, fairly sure they wouldn't even defeat the local cadezor population for number 1 Mojave threat.

[Zekiran]

^^^ everything Anvos just said - I don't believe Ulysses as far as I could throw him for a variety of reasons.

I wouldn't call 'creatures' a faction, either way. It's like saying that feral ghouls are a 'faction'. Were they human or simply a ghoul before? yeah, but those can also be parts OF factions.

For my part NCR shows the strongest potential, but I think they probably have their hands full with their part of the country and wouldn't really be branching out too far east.

I'd throw in with the Khans as I usually send them up north to save their culture rather than allow them to be swallowed up by anyone else. I eliminate the Legion. I don't care that they call themselves something implying they're everywhere - my Courier leads New Vegas and the Mojave and would definitely do everything in her power to wipe those fascist creeps off the face of the earth.

Back East though, the folks in the Underworld would be fun to explore a little more. Ghouls and vampires :D

[fmalfeas]

The reason I list the Ghost People as a faction is that they started to /worship/ Christine. Which means those trauma suits AIs were still learning and developing so long as they had input.

[Zekiran]

Yeah that actually is kind of terrifying.

[libertasgrace]

Originally posted by fmalfeas:

The reason I list the Ghost People as a faction is that they started to /worship/ Christine. Which means those trauma suits AIs were still learning and developing so long as they had input.

I don't think they began worshiping her, they did leave her alone, yes, but I don't think we're ever given a reason why. The only one I can think of is she sounds exactly like Vera, and they feared or revered the holograms, but the game tells us she watched over the Villa and Madre in silence.
I don't think those were the Trauma Harnesses, because the one Ghost People suit you find in the Big Empty is at the Hazmat Testing Area and I think is listed as a Hazmat suit. And the Ghost People are presumably the Villa workers who got trapped in the suits, which along with the Cloud and the Vending Machines, were from Big MT, so I doubt it's AI.

[fmalfeas]

Originally posted by libertasgrace:

Originally posted by fmalfeas:

The reason I list the Ghost People as a faction is that they started to /worship/ Christine. Which means those trauma suits AIs were still learning and developing so long as they had input.

I don't think they began worshiping her, they did leave her alone, yes, but I don't think we're ever given a reason why. The only one I can think of is she sounds exactly like Vera, and they feared or revered the holograms, but the game tells us she watched over the Villa and Madre in silence.
I don't think those were the Trauma Harnesses, because the one Ghost People suit you find in the Big Empty is at the Hazmat Testing Area and I think is listed as a Hazmat suit. And the Ghost People are presumably the Villa workers who got trapped in the suits, which along with the Cloud and the Vending Machines, were from Big MT, so I doubt it's AI.

The Big MT shipped a variant of the Trauma Harness as the hazmat suits, along with the rest of the dangerous experimental tech. They treated the Madre like one big test chamber...and the crews doing the work cut every corner they could, making it all worse.

That's how they got trapped in the suits. The suits were a form of Trauma Harness and wouldn't let them out. Throw in the effects of the Cloud, and the harness actually succeeding for once at the original design job (keep the subject alive and moving) and you have nightmare fuel on par with the ones that just ran around with long-dead bodies still strapped inside, and deranged murderbot AIs.

[Fumo Bnnuy n Frends]

Most of New Vegas's factions are still alive. NCR and Caesar would be too big to fail all of a sudden.

FotA and great khans would still be alive too either assimilated into legion NCR or gone up north together

Jackals 9/10 chance they would've been wiped out by incoming NCR or worse Legion.


BoS are still alive and kicking and refuse to die

enclave too even if they separated and became new factions

Talon company would probably split

Boomers are still alive

Railroad is still alive around the USA East coast or at least the North Eastern areas like boston and D.C.

Chinese are still also alive and 100% are ghouls

Any super mutants ghouls (non feral ) and night kin are also still alive and kicking

Shady Shoals slavers are still alive and lincoln slave followers either free or enslaved back

Big Mt. Still alive and the courier 6 goes there cannonly after the end of new vegas to overlook it

powder gangers are still alive or dead after you deal with them

fallout 1 vault dwellers and the smart deathclaws are still alive but transformed

vault city still alive

First responders (if you count 76 as prior and cannon) would probably dispersed joined another faction

Mr House / Yes Man still alive at least the securitrons are. If anything Mr. House can be forever imprisoned in the chamber if you take over or shut down the securitrons.

Zetans are still out there

Most of the Pitt factions and mutants are probably dead or cured

the outcast BoS actually took control back and Lyon probably got the commie wall treatment

[libertasgrace]

Originally posted by fmalfeas:

Originally posted by libertasgrace:

I don't think they began worshiping her, they did leave her alone, yes, but I don't think we're ever given a reason why. The only one I can think of is she sounds exactly like Vera, and they feared or revered the holograms, but the game tells us she watched over the Villa and Madre in silence.
I don't think those were the Trauma Harnesses, because the one Ghost People suit you find in the Big Empty is at the Hazmat Testing Area and I think is listed as a Hazmat suit. And the Ghost People are presumably the Villa workers who got trapped in the suits, which along with the Cloud and the Vending Machines, were from Big MT, so I doubt it's AI.

The Big MT shipped a variant of the Trauma Harness as the hazmat suits, along with the rest of the dangerous experimental tech. They treated the Madre like one big test chamber...and the crews doing the work cut every corner they could, making it all worse.

That's how they got trapped in the suits. The suits were a form of Trauma Harness and wouldn't let them out. Throw in the effects of the Cloud, and the harness actually succeeding for once at the original design job (keep the subject alive and moving) and you have nightmare fuel on par with the ones that just ran around with long-dead bodies still strapped inside, and deranged murderbot AIs.

Is there a note on a terminal somewhere in the Big MT that mentions the hazmat suits as a variant of the Trauma Harness? I don't recall finding one.